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Gary K said:
As am Adventist I know far more about our beliefs than you do and you're flat out wrong.
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I talk with many who teach the “oneness” one God one person of God!

Not the Christian faith of one God in three divine and co-equal persons

Thks
 
donadams said:
You don’t understand me

Where does scripture provide a list of the ten commandments?


Content of the Ten Commandments is in ex 20 but not a list so no one can say that graven images are forbidden by the 2nd commandment!

The church says it is the first commandment!

Ten Commandments

Ex 20

Scripture has no list (1, 2, 3, etc.) of the Ten Commandments

According to subject matter or context:

First commandment: ex 20:2-6
One God

Second commandment: ex 20:7
God’s name

Third commandment: ex 20:8-11
God’s original sabbath

Fourth commandment: ex 20:12
Parents

Fifth commandment: ex 20:13
Murder

Sixth commandment: ex 20:14
Adultery

Seventh commandment: ex 20:15
Theft

Eighth commandment: ex 20:16
Lying

Ninth commandment: ex 20:17
Coveting

Separating the two about coveting makes sense!

Ninth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbors goods.

Tenth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbor’s wife.

Thks
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Read a Protestant Bible. It gives a unudulterated reading.

Interesting that you freely admit what another catholic got me banned from a thread for saying on another forum.
 
donadams said:
I talk with many who teach the “oneness” one God one person of God!

Not the Christian faith of one God in three divine and co-equal persons

Thks
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Yeah, that heresy is making the rounds right now, but that is nit the denomination's official position.
 
Gary K said:
Read a Protestant Bible. It gives a unudulterated reading.

Interesting that you freely admit what another catholic got me banned from a thread for saying on another forum.
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I use the KJV but there is no list of the Ten Commandments
 
Gary K said:
Yeah, that heresy is making the rounds right now, but that is nit the denomination's official position.
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So the trinity and the divinity of Christ is the SDA official teaching?

Thanks

You know they don’t teach this stuff In Catholic school!
 
Gary K said:
That's because there is no need of one.
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The church decides what is sacred scripture so too with the correct list of commandments

Ten Commandments

Ex 20

Scripture has no list (1, 2, 3, etc.) of the Ten Commandments

According to subject matter or context:

First commandment: ex 20:2-6
One God

Second commandment: ex 20:7
God’s name

Third commandment: ex 20:8-11
God’s original sabbath

Fourth commandment: ex 20:12
Parents

Fifth commandment: ex 20:13
Murder

Sixth commandment: ex 20:14
Adultery

Seventh commandment: ex 20:15
Theft

Eighth commandment: ex 20:16
Lying

Ninth commandment: ex 20:17
Coveting

Separating the two about coveting makes sense!

Ninth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbors goods.

Tenth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbor’s wife.

Thanks
 
reddogs said:
The day is laid out from Creation when it was made, and the time is from sunset on the sixth day, Friday to sunset at the end of the seventh day, Saturday....

Many people get confused as to when the Sabbath is, to say nothing of those who brougth in Sunday as a day of worship. The Sabbath is and has been from Creation on the seventh-day, but when does it begin. Well if you look in scripture in Genesis, chapter 1, whenever a new day of creation is declared, it says, "and the evening and the morning were the first (or second, or third, etc.) day".

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:1-31

..look at verses 5, 8, 13,19, 23, 31, for instance.
Each day of the creation week began at sunset with the dark part, since darkness was here first, and ended with the following sunset so the Sabbath is from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.
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Great post Reddogs

Love, Walter And Debbie
 
donadams said:
The church decides what is sacred scripture so too with the correct list of commandments

Ten Commandments

Ex 20

Scripture has no list (1, 2, 3, etc.) of the Ten Commandments

According to subject matter or context:

First commandment: ex 20:2-6
One God

Second commandment: ex 20:7
God’s name

Third commandment: ex 20:8-11
God’s original sabbath

Fourth commandment: ex 20:12
Parents

Fifth commandment: ex 20:13
Murder

Sixth commandment: ex 20:14
Adultery

Seventh commandment: ex 20:15
Theft

Eighth commandment: ex 20:16
Lying

Ninth commandment: ex 20:17
Coveting

Separating the two about coveting makes sense!

Ninth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbors goods.

Tenth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbor’s wife.

Thanks
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Sorry. I don't buy it.
 
Gary K said:
Sorry. I don't buy it.
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How Do we get this authority to decide for ourselves?

Are we not supposed to be subject to Christ?

We must be taught!

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:2

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Those who submit to the apostolic church know the truth! Those who reject The apostolic church are in error!

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Members of the communion of saints must submit to the teaching of the apostles: “the light (truth) of the world” and the pillar of truth! Matt 5:14 1 Tim 3:15

Christ is king and demands obedience in His kingdom, His truth and to His authorized ministers!

Christians must be taught!
 
WalterandDebbie said:
Great post Reddogs

Love, Walter And Debbie
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If you keep the Saturday sabbath you have fallen from grace!

Gal 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Don’t judaize!
 
WalterandDebbie said:
Good morning donadams, The bible does not teach what you are saying, Sir!

Love, Walter
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If you keep the law you have fallen from grace

Now we have a new creation and a new covenant and new day of public worship and rest

Christians are forbidden to participate in Jewish life and practices

Thks
 
donadams said:
If you keep the law you have fallen from grace

Now we have a new creation and a new covenant and new day of public worship and rest

Christians are forbidden to participate in Jewish life and practices

Thks
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This is what you are saying about that, but the bible teaches about Salvation, our Salvation depends on what Christ is doing for and in us.
 
WalterandDebbie said:
This is what you are saying about that, but the bible teaches about Salvation, our Salvation depends on what Christ is doing for and in us.
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Then why the life and practices of the old which only pointed to the conning of Christ?

You are saying he did not come in the flesh!
 
donadams said:
If you keep the law you have fallen from grace
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That's not what scripture tells us.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Whoever uses the law as a means of salvation or justification has fallen from grace.

Is the law a yoke?

Or

Is following the law as a means of justification or salvation the yoke?
 
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