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ADHD autism etc…

Christ_empowered

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Seem to be an issue especially in the USA. Other countries it seems…not as much…

What if the labels are the only way growing numbers of people can deal with the demands of a rigid society? I mean..especially the USA it seems…there’s talk of kindness and tolerance and affirmation but…

In reality it’s more like the whole society is becoming a minimum security prison and fewer and fewer people can cope so…

Cue the shrinks? Just a thought 💭
 
Christ_empowered said:
Seem to be an issue especially in the USA. Other countries it seems…not as much…

What if the labels are the only way growing numbers of people can deal with the demands of a rigid society? I mean..especially the USA it seems…there’s talk of kindness and tolerance and affirmation but…

In reality it’s more like the whole society is becoming a minimum security prison and fewer and fewer people can cope so…

Cue the shrinks? Just a thought 💭
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Our diet?
Foods?
Chemicals?
Words?

eddifl
 
All possibly contributing…

But the criteria for these things changes the labels themselves change…

I think social and economic factors are key 🔑…
 
The label doesn't make much of a difference on its own, but knowing my brain runs on a different operating system helps me learn what my individual needs are.
There isn't much in the way of pharmaceutical treatment for autism. Mostly you just learn to accommodate yourself.
 
Also, it's not really about not being able to cope, at least in the case of autism. ADHD, sure, the distress is more apparent there. ADHD is a deficit in "executive functioning" surrounding memory and focus, which affects nearly all areas of living.

I don't think autism is inherently a negative. Like, yeah, it's a disability for sure, but if you ask me the condition itself is largely benign, especially for those of us on the more mild end of the spectrum. Autistic people tend to do better in more quiet, less chaotic environments, so when they are in a setting that accommodates their particular needs (say, a rural setting), they are less likely to experience the distress that would lead to them being diagnosed. People might think they're a little quirky, but if the traits are not causing distress than most doctors will not diagnose.
 
I think these labels have the potential to either help someone or ruin their life. I’ve seen both. For some people, labelling them is counterproductive. Mental health professionals should avoid labelling people with conditions and instead support them based on symptoms they are struggling with. Plus, everyone is different. We don’t need to have a label for everything.
 
I dunno 🤷‍♂️

I just think…society is becoming more rigid not less so the experts come up with more labels and more people end up labeled…

But how many labeled people would have any labels in a more sane society?
 
Welshlady38 said:
I think these labels have the potential to either help someone or ruin their life. I’ve seen both. For some people, labelling them is counterproductive. Mental health professionals should avoid labelling people with conditions and instead support them based on symptoms they are struggling with. Plus, everyone is different. We don’t need to have a label for everything.
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Knowing I'm autistic better equips me to deal with my symptoms and helps me to know what's going on. It's not just that I'm "a little different", I have actual meltdowns and sensory issues that can affect my job.
Mental health professionals can't do that for me, but they can help me figure out what's going on. Getting the right care involves a lot of self advocacy, and a lot of legwork of your own.
 
I dunno 🤷‍♂️

I’m burned on mental health lol 😆 my counselor is decent but I get the sense that part of the junk I experience from people at the clinic is because I get counseling every 8 weeks or so and I’m on voluntary outpatient status. It’s…creepy sometimes the social control aspect. The clinic has reserved parking for law enforcement. Hmmm…
 
That's never been my experience.
Law enforcement, yeah, they often use police to take inpatients to the facility.
 
Let's talk specifics. The term for what I have in the 19th century is a "gentle soul". In the 20th century it was "Asperger". In the new Millennium it is the broad blanket of Autism Spectrum (or just 'The Spectrum"). However let's set aside the labels for a moment and let me invite you into MY REALITY for a brief visit:

You enter a busy restaurant and they seat you near the entrance to the kitchen. The person across the table is talking with you and raising their voice a little to be heard above the other voices in the room and the music playing from the speakers. In YOUR world, you can tune out all of those other sounds and focus on the voice of the person across from you. In MY world, my neurology is wired to accept ALL sensory input as being IMPORTANT and I am literally incapable of focusing on one voice and not hearing the others. So I hear the person talking to me, and three other conversations at adjacent tables, and voices/noises from the kitchen every time the door opens, and the singer on the mood music, and the woosh of the fans/AC vents and the siren of the ambulance that drove by on the street ... all at the same time and all as if all of them were speaking directly into my ears. Because of a neurological quirk, I can also see the flicker rate of an Fluorescent bulb which starts to give me a headache, so I close my eyes to at least eliminate the strobing light from this sea of chaos as I TRY to hear what you are saying amongst all the simultaneous voices.

There were probably always people like me, but 1000 years ago, the ability of a herdsman to focus on all the sounds around him all of the time was probably more of a blessing than it is in a modern restaurant.
 
Kind of similar…

My mind filters noise and makes it about me lol 😆 I think 🤔 a lot of the particular filtering stems from extreme bullying and peer rejection. And so..,

The answer seems to be sedatives! Lol 😆 major tranquilizers..the so called antipsychotics…are the big group of sedatives in my case. Ugh 😑 can’t complain too much…it’s a single abilify tablet in my case not handfuls of Thorazine…

But I do worry about long term problems. Some data indicates that movement disorders are more common with the new drugs than once thought 💭. In addition some data indicates the risks do not plateau. As in…

Stay on it long enough you’ll probably get facial tics etc. a problem there is that the tics are associated with a reduction in IQ and overall cognitive functioning…

The proposed term is tardive dementia. What fun lol 😂…
 
I have had public meltdowns. In adults, they don't tend to look like screaming and thrashing. They can even go undetected. But the internal experience is very intense.
One day at work I was already dealing with heavy sensory overload. All the noises too much. I had to continue working anyway. Then I had multiple rude customers.
THEN my boss started texting me angrily about a complaint she got from a customer I had served.

Cue meltdown. I went into the office to calm down.
 
The NAMES help you to start with a list of things that have worked for other people with similar traits. It is hard to start from OVERWHELMED and figure out what might help. For people like me, we need short periods of dark and quiet to ... I call it "return to neutral". Everyone is unique, so everyone learns to avoid what they can avoid, to find things that work for dealing with what you cannot avoid ... my daughter learned breathing exercises that help her ... and accommodations for what can be accommodated (I work in an office instead of a cubicle because i HAVE to be able to close the door or EVERYONES problems will be my problems ... I can't NOT HEAR their phone conversations).
 
Christ_empowered said:
Kind of similar…

My mind filters noise and makes it about me lol 😆 I think 🤔 a lot of the particular filtering stems from extreme bullying and peer rejection. And so..,

The answer seems to be sedatives! Lol 😆 major tranquilizers..the so called antipsychotics…are the big group of sedatives in my case. Ugh 😑 can’t complain too much…it’s a single abilify tablet in my case not handfuls of Thorazine…

But I do worry about long term problems. Some data indicates that movement disorders are more common with the new drugs than once thought 💭. In addition some data indicates the risks do not plateau. As in…

Stay on it long enough you’ll probably get facial tics etc. a problem there is that the tics are associated with a reduction in IQ and overall cognitive functioning…

The proposed term is tardive dementia. What fun lol 😂…
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The right meds and the wrong meds make all the difference. My wife is bipolar and 99.9% of the time, everything is fine. Until something changes with her meds (one was discontinued by the manufacturer) and life is scary while you try the "voodoo chemistry" to hit the right combination and doses that will work.

My only advice is you need someone along side (general good advice for all of life) and you need to tell the Doctor what seems to be working and what isn't. The doctor doesn't know that you are sleeping all the time, or never sleep or whatever is going on, if you don't tell them. There is a natural tendency to just say "Sure." and "Fine." ... which only works if everything IS fine.
 
Overall I am ok ✅ in psych terms. Abilify helps a good bit. My big problem now is that doctors really really seem to want me more tranquilized or..something. I think 🧐 it’s partly because I go to a community mental health clinic. They’re semi notorious for over medicating people and I have to smile and tactfully advocate…

It is what it is. I wish you and your wife well btw.
 
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Christ_empowered said:
Kind of similar…

My mind filters noise and makes it about me lol 😆 I think 🤔 a lot of the particular filtering stems from extreme bullying and peer rejection. And so..,

The answer seems to be sedatives! Lol 😆 major tranquilizers..the so called antipsychotics…are the big group of sedatives in my case. Ugh 😑 can’t complain too much…it’s a single abilify tablet in my case not handfuls of Thorazine…

But I do worry about long term problems. Some data indicates that movement disorders are more common with the new drugs than once thought 💭. In addition some data indicates the risks do not plateau. As in…

Stay on it long enough you’ll probably get facial tics etc. a problem there is that the tics are associated with a reduction in IQ and overall cognitive functioning…

The proposed term is tardive dementia. What fun lol 😂…
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I hear your twist of noise about me.

Some have enhanced noise about me.

Right now a friend can not hear in a Bible study at church. A commercial refrigerator (it is very, very loud), can not be filtered out.
I have seen people in a work situation talk with mush noise going on.

Satan’s chatter is a noise we face. False doctrine may be another noise. How to respond is interesting.

Noise canceling technology exists. Parents sometimes tell us (just do not pay attention to what they say).

Motions get some people.

Inner quiet helps at times. At other times all the noise makes us aware of the needs of others. Being aware of problems is good at times, but taking our noise out of our solutions is a problem. I tend to make too much noise.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
Auto mechanics (which I am not full time).
You have to train yourself to listen to new noise very carefully. You have to identify the new sound, enhance and clarify it. Then you have to put your imitation of the sound into action. Your mental trouble shooting chart goes into action.

If you try and share the process with others. You are generating much loud noise yourself.

eddif
 
Gennerally I deal with ADHD and sever hyper focus and time blindness. My short term memory is shot so I need to constantly write things down or do little rituals to remember names or important info. I'm on the spectrum somewhat due to minor social issues and I get overwhelmed really easily in new situations. I like my routines.

I started Adderal last year and its helped a lot to keep me from forgetting to do dishes and forget to clean.

I do tend to live cluttered because the out of sight out of mind stereotype is real with me. I love open shelving and clear containers because I can see what is in some place.

Alarms and sticky note everywhere for reminders.
 
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