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After the rapture question

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crossblue21

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Ok so if I can remember correctly..after the rapture there will be some people that end up coming to the Lord..but they will most likely live in hiding because the Holy Spirit will no longer be on earth and satan will be rampant. But by saying "some" people ...that also means that other people will still be left behind and deny Christ to the end. My question is..

Does it say in the Bible that there will still be people that deny Christ even after the Rapture?
 
All of the believers will be taken in the rapture. But people will still come to God afterwards...these I believe are the ones refered to in Revelation 7

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!†11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:


“ Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.â€

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?â€
14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.â€
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.â€

(hope that wasn't debating)
 
crossblue21 said:
Ok so if I can remember correctly..after the rapture there will be some people that end up coming to the Lord..but they will most likely live in hiding because the Holy Spirit will no longer be on earth and satan will be rampant. But by saying "some" people ...that also means that other people will still be left behind and deny Christ to the end. My question is..

Does it say in the Bible that there will still be people that deny Christ even after the Rapture?
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Revelation 9:20-21 NLT
20 But the people who did not die in these plagues still refused to repent of their evil deeds and turn to God. They continued to worship demons and idols made of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood—idols that can neither see nor hear nor walk! 21 And they did not repent of their murders or their witchcraft or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Revelation 13:8 NLT
8 And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made—the Book that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered.

Revelation 16:8-11 NLT
8 Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, causing it to scorch everyone with its fire. 9 Everyone was burned by this blast of heat, and they cursed the name of God, who had control over all these plagues. They did not repent of their sins and turn to God and give him glory. 10 Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. His subjects ground their teeth in anguish, 11 and they cursed the God of heaven for their pains and sores. But they did not repent of their evil deeds and turn to God.
 
crossblue21 said:
Ok so if I can remember correctly..after the rapture there will be some people that end up coming to the Lord..but they will most likely live in hiding because the Holy Spirit will no longer be on earth and satan will be rampant. But by saying "some" people ...that also means that other people will still be left behind and deny Christ to the end. My question is..

Does it say in the Bible that there will still be people that deny Christ even after the Rapture?
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No. The scriptures and all the major creeds teach that at the retun of Christ there is final judgement
 
craigmn3 said:
All of the believers will be taken in the rapture. But people will still come to God afterwards...these I believe are the ones refered to in Revelation 7

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:


“ Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters.And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

(hope that wasn't debating)
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The thread was moved ,debate is allowed here:clap

From the OP:

Ok so if I can remember correctly..after the rapture there will be some people that end up coming to the Lord..but they will most likely live in hiding because the Holy Spirit will no longer be on earth and satan will be rampant. But by saying "some" people ...that also means that other people will still be left behind and deny Christ to the end. My question is..
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Is this a reference to the 'tribulation' in your quote?
 
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crossblue21 said:
Ok so if I can remember correctly..after the rapture there will be some people that end up coming to the Lord..but they will most likely live in hiding because the Holy Spirit will no longer be on earth and satan will be rampant. But by saying "some" people ...that also means that other people will still be left behind and deny Christ to the end. My question is..

Does it say in the Bible that there will still be people that deny Christ even after the Rapture?
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Dear crossblue, Christ said He will be with His people always,"even unto the end of the Age". Therefore, the Holy Spirit will always be on earth, unto the end of the age, as where Christ is present, there is the Spirit of Christ. He meant He would be with them in the Person of the Spirit, Whom He would send unto them From the Father, The Spirit of truth Who proceeds from the Father: the Father and Son together send the Spirit to the Church from the Father. It is impossible for people to be converted without the Holy Spirit, so if the Spirit ever left the earth, there would be no more conversions, no people saved. The Spirit was with OT Israel all the way, just in a way that we do not understand. The Angel of the LORD in the OT was Jesus Christ, but He is not mentioned in the NT. It was a pre-incarnate theophany of Christ, the Angel of the Lord was, exegetical commentators on the Scriptures agree. In Erie Scott H.
 
Scotth1960 said:
Dear crossblue, Christ said He will be with His people always,"even unto the end of the Age". Therefore, the Holy Spirit will always be on earth, unto the end of the age, as where Christ is present, there is the Spirit of Christ. He meant He would be with them in the Person of the Spirit, Whom He would send unto them From the Father, The Spirit of truth Who proceeds from the Father: the Father and Son together send the Spirit to the Church from the Father. It is impossible for people to be converted without the Holy Spirit, so if the Spirit ever left the earth, there would be no more conversions, no people saved. The Spirit was with OT Israel all the way, just in a way that we do not understand. The Angel of the LORD in the OT was Jesus Christ, but He is not mentioned in the NT. It was a pre-incarnate theophany of Christ, the Angel of the Lord was, exegetical commentators on the Scriptures agree. In Erie Scott H.
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Well Scott when you're right you're right.

The whole bit about the 144K jewish evangelists converting hordes when the Spirit is removed is a s scriptural as Night of the Living Dead.
 
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Scotth1960 said:
Dear crossblue, Christ said He will be with His people always,"even unto the end of the Age". Therefore, the Holy Spirit will always be on earth, unto the end of the age, as where Christ is present, there is the Spirit of Christ. He meant He would be with them in the Person of the Spirit, Whom He would send unto them From the Father, The Spirit of truth Who proceeds from the Father: the Father and Son together send the Spirit to the Church from the Father. It is impossible for people to be converted without the Holy Spirit, so if the Spirit ever left the earth, there would be no more conversions, no people saved. The Spirit was with OT Israel all the way, just in a way that we do not understand. The Angel of the LORD in the OT was Jesus Christ, but He is not mentioned in the NT. It was a pre-incarnate theophany of Christ, the Angel of the Lord was, exegetical commentators on the Scriptures agree. In Erie Scott H.
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As Holy Spirit is resident in His people, the Church, when they are removed in the Rapture, so goes Holy Spirit. That is why we have only the wicked remaining, shaking their fists at God in response to His judgments.

There will be many who come to Christ by the ministry of the two Spirit-empowered witnesses. 144000 Jews will come out of the Tribulation believing.
 
Alabaster said:
As Holy Spirit is resident in His people, the Church, when they are removed in the Rapture, so goes Holy Spirit. That is why we have only the wicked remaining, shaking their fists at God in response to His judgments.

There will be many who come to Christ by the ministry of the two Spirit-empowered witnesses. 144000 Jews will come out of the Tribulation believing.
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Dear Alabaster, That is totally illogical and self-contradictory. The Holy Spirit is said to be totally removed from the earth with the Church in the rapture said to be before the great tribulation to come, but then you say there will be 2 Spirit empowered witnesses for Christ and 14000 Jews witnessing for Christ by the power of the Spirit. Which is it? Totally removed Holy Spirit, or present only in Israel? That is not Scriptural. God's covenant was always with all righteous of all nations, He just used Israel in the OT as a light to the Gentiles, not because they were better than Gentiles, but simply because He loved them and chose them. God still loves Israel and the Jews and so should we all. But not separate or above the other nations, which are all called in Christ to receive Christ's blessings. Israel needs Jesus Christ. All Gentile nations need Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit will be with the Church always, even unto the end of the Age. Where Christ is present, the Holy Spirit of Christ is present, and Christ does not rapture His Church out of the world, but He preserves and keeps Her protected from the evil one (John 15:15 KJV, ONT, etc.). GOD BLESS YOU. In Erie Scott Harrington
:pray
 
Scotth1960 said:
Dear Alabaster, That is totally illogical and self-contradictory. The Holy Spirit is said to be totally removed from the earth with the Church in the rapture said to be before the great tribulation to come, but then you say there will be 2 Spirit empowered witnesses for Christ and 14000 Jews witnessing for Christ by the power of the Spirit. Which is it? Totally removed Holy Spirit, or present only in Israel? That is not Scriptural. God's covenant was always with all righteous of all nations, He just used Israel in the OT as a light to the Gentiles, not because they were better than Gentiles, but simply because He loved them and chose them. God still loves Israel and the Jews and so should we all. But not separate or above the other nations, which are all called in Christ to receive Christ's blessings. Israel needs Jesus Christ. All Gentile nations need Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit will be with the Church always, even unto the end of the Age. Where Christ is present, the Holy Spirit of Christ is present, and Christ does not rapture His Church out of the world, but He preserves and keeps Her protected from the evil one (John 15:15 KJV, ONT, etc.). GOD BLESS YOU. In Erie Scott Harrington
:pray
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It is as I said. How else did God minister to His people by His Spirit before Jesus? How did the Holy Spirit work among men then? It was through His prophets! That will be a time where God is dealing specifically with the Jew again, and so the Holy Spirit will be working the same way as He did then.

These two witnesses will be two prophets specially anointed, from heaven, who will have the Holy Spirit's power to act for God.
 
Scotth1960 said:
Dear Alabaster, That is totally illogical and self-contradictory. The Holy Spirit is said to be totally removed from the earth with the Church in the rapture said to be before the great tribulation to come, but then you say there will be 2 Spirit empowered witnesses for Christ and 14000 Jews witnessing for Christ by the power of the Spirit. Which is it? Totally removed Holy Spirit, or present only in Israel? That is not Scriptural. God's covenant was always with all righteous of all nations, He just used Israel in the OT as a light to the Gentiles, not because they were better than Gentiles, but simply because He loved them and chose them. God still loves Israel and the Jews and so should we all. But not separate or above the other nations, which are all called in Christ to receive Christ's blessings. Israel needs Jesus Christ. All Gentile nations need Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit will be with the Church always, even unto the end of the Age. Where Christ is present, the Holy Spirit of Christ is present, and Christ does not rapture His Church out of the world, but He preserves and keeps Her protected from the evil one (John 15:15 KJV, ONT, etc.). GOD BLESS YOU. In Erie Scott Harrington
:pray
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Oh yeah Scott as if Jesus knows anything about eschatology.
 
Vic C. said:
LOL, yes, but no bickering and insulting please. :yes
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Friends, All people who believe in Christ, whether they follow pre trib or post trib, confess that Christ died for sinners, and rose from the dead. Confessing the Lord Jesus and believing in one's heart that God raised Him from the dead is what saves all Christians of all traditions. That is the common Gospel of God in Christ known to all Christians. Thank God for that. In Erie Scott H.
:pray
 
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