AGENDA 21; Depopulation of the World by 2030

[miamited]

Hi WIP

I assume then that you never had the electrical work inspected to be sure everything is in compliance with local as well as national codes. Could be unknowingly setting yourself up for dangerous situations. In the event of a fire where the electrical system was determined as cause, your insurance company could and probably would refuse to cover the loss.

Agreed. There is always that possibility and if a fire should start in the workshop, then I'd just tear down and rebuild, but it's not a likely outcome. Thanks

God bless,
Ted

 

[WIP]

Hi WIP

Agreed. There is always that possibility and if a fire should start in the workshop, then I'd just tear down and rebuild, but it's not a likely outcome. Thanks

God bless,
Ted

Hope so. There's also potential for electrical shock. Poor grounding, incorrect polarization, and box overfill just to name a few plus the legal aspect. If the state inspector ever found out, your power would be disconnected and all work not exposed required to be exposed for inspection before getting your power back.

Our daughter's house was wired by a DIY. I have found wires nutted together in the attic without a box around the connections, wires cut too short and being strained, boxes way over filled, incorrect wire sizes, and the list goes on. Many dangerous conditions.

I thought you are a Christian. Disagreeing, opposing, and even protesting laws legally is one thing but violating laws is totally different.

1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Romans 13:1-2 ESV

 

[JLB]

Hope so. There's also potential for electrical shock. Poor grounding, incorrect polarization, and box overfill just to name a few plus the legal aspect. If the state inspector ever found out, your power would be disconnected and all work not exposed required to be exposed for inspection before getting your power back.

Our daughter's house was wired by a DIY. I have found wires nutted together in the attic without a box around the connections, wires cut too short and being strained, boxes way over filled, incorrect wire sizes, and the list goes on. Many dangerous conditions.

I thought you are a Christian. Disagreeing, opposing, and even protesting laws legally is one thing but violating laws is totally different.

1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Romans 13:1-2 ESV

Agreed, however there is a balance.

It’s clear that Paul implied doing what is good, is the context.

Not blind submission to evil authorities.


Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. Romans 13:1-3


And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them, saying, “Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man’s blood on us!”
But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. Acts 5:27-29





JLB

 

[miamited]

Hi WIP

Our daughter's house was wired by a DIY. I have found wires nutted together in the attic without a box around the connections, wires cut too short and being strained, boxes way over filled, incorrect wire sizes, and the list goes on. Many dangerous conditions.

Yea, I've found many of those issues from previous work done on this home. I know the code a little better than most. My son and I pulled a permit in Columbia, SC to rewire a 5,000sf home. Lot of work, but likely saved several thousand dollars as the materials are fairly inexpensive, but the labor is prohibitive. What? With all the holes in the walls to pull old cable and replace with new. Completed the job, which included rewiring the main panel without a single gig on inspection. Signed off on first visit. Then spent a month patching all the holes and replacing whole ceilings in the full basement.

God bless,
Ted

 

[jasonc]

Yall would be amazed at the shoddy work by some builders .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Hope so. There's also potential for electrical shock. Poor grounding, incorrect polarization, and box overfill just to name a few plus the legal aspect. If the state inspector ever found out, your power would be disconnected and all work not exposed required to be exposed for inspection before getting your power back.

Our daughter's house was wired by a DIY. I have found wires nutted together in the attic without a box around the connections, wires cut too short and being strained, boxes way over filled, incorrect wire sizes, and the list goes on. Many dangerous conditions.

I thought you are a Christian. Disagreeing, opposing, and even protesting laws legally is one thing but violating laws is totally different.

1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Romans 13:1-2 ESV

If I'm not mistaken, the apostle John spent some time in the slammer for preaching the gospel and I do believe Jesus told him to do just that.
Kinda like labor camp on alcatraz.

Revelation 1:9 - John's Vision on Patmos

I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance that are in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and my testimony about Jesus.

biblehub.com

 

[WIP]

Agreed, however there is a balance.

It’s clear that Paul implied doing what is good, is the context.

Not blind submission to evil authorities.


Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. Romans 13:1-3


And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them, saying, “Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man’s blood on us!”
But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. Acts 5:27-29





JLB

I don't know of anything that could be construed as evil or bad with regard to electrical building codes. There's a reason for them. My daughter's house is a perfect example. Because someone failed to follow the codes and obtain an inspection as required, the house she bought could be a potential fire hazard and had it not been that she asked me to fix a ceiling fan/light in her bathroom, we would never have known about the wires nutted together and buried in the ceiling insulation. She intends to eventually remodel the home and I told her to prepare for a complete electrical system overhaul.

My own house is another example. The first time I opened the electrical service panel, I found that almost all of the 15A and 20A fuses were replaced with 30A. People think they know what they are doing but really don't when it comes to electricity.

Mistakes can be made, even by seasoned veterans and the inspector is the last line of defense. Case in point. I've been working with electrical codes for over 20 years and I would not do work without an inspection. Last year I just wired some receptacles in a small outbuilding. There were three circuits and I used GFCI receptacles on each per code. When it was inspected, it was discovered that I had crisscrossed the polarity on the load side of one of the GFCI's, which rendered the safety of the GFCI on that circuit inoperative.

Your reference to Acts 5 doesn't apply in this case unless you can show that God has commanded us to not follow the laws regarding the electrical code.

 

[WIP]

Yall would be amazed at the shoddy work by some builders .

This is true too. The question then should be how did they get past the inspection? If they somehow bought the results and it could be proven then charges should be filed and those involved held accountable.

 

[jasonc]

This is true too. The question then should be how did they get past the inspection? If they somehow bought the results and it could be proven then charges should be filed and those involved held accountable.

When you have about 10 or 20 homes built at a time how is any inspector gonna visit them all?

 

[WIP]

When you have about 10 or 20 homes built at a time how is any inspector gonna visit them all?

I don't know how that process works on the professional level but perhaps some inspectors get to know the masters and his/her crew well enough that after a time he/she may give them some benefit of doubt. This doesn't help when mistakes are made but I would hope that inspectors would still do the inspections regularly enough to be sure things are correct.

My main point is that DIYers that choose to ignore the laws are not doing themselves or anyone else any good and in fact could be creating dangerous situations for themselves, others, or anyone that owns the property after them. Things like the stuff I've been finding in my daughter's house would not be noticed by a home inspector either because they are hidden and therein lies some of the real danger.

In the situation that I described when I made my mistake by flip-flopping the hot and grounded conductors on receptacles, devices that are plugged in would still work but there would be a potential for the chassis of the device to become electrically live. While I was surprised because I'm usually very particular about this, I'm thankful that the inspector found it. It was well worth the expense of his visit.

 

[jasonc]

I don't know how that process works on the professional level but perhaps some inspectors get to know the masters and his/her crew well enough that after a time he/she may give them some benefit of doubt. This doesn't help when mistakes are made but I would hope that inspectors would still do the inspections regularly enough to be sure things are correct.

My main point is that DIYers that choose to ignore the laws are not doing themselves or anyone else any good and in fact could be creating dangerous situations for themselves, others, or anyone that owns the property after them. Things like the stuff I've been finding in my daughter's house would not be noticed by a home inspector either because they are hidden and therein lies some of the real danger.

In the situation that I described when I made my mistake by flip-flopping the hot and grounded conductors on receptacles, devices that are plugged in would still work but there would be a potential for the chassis of the device to become electrically live. While I was surprised because I'm usually very particular about this, I'm thankful that the inspector found it. It was well worth the expense of his visit.

In Florida we have persons who inspect every little thing on a home for sales,for home owner insurance reasons these catch a lot .

When you have only a handful of inspectors and many homes being built ,ya can't inspect them all and they announce the day they come . The stories of why cheap labor and why mass production of homes is bother thread .an elder hand builds doors and windows way above Florida code for storms and says Lowes and such like pre fab doors are junk . I agree .I have a rotting door that was replaced less then ten yeas ago .

When you build by laying concrete ,then don't wait a day to start laying the walls it's bound to crack when it's a month .

My house has cracks from that . It's costly when the foundation shifts .

I'm not implying I know this just what I'm told and observe .we waited one month to install a vet monument after it's foundation was laid
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[jasonc]

I also trim trees near my drop and my neighbors.i want to post a electrical fire that came because of a fire from simple paper ignited .

 

[jasonc]

https://at.tumblr.com/jasoncran/698579009454374912/bg7vwmvx9vzu

Zoom in and you will stacks of paper ,that was the cause and he wasnt home .I can't remember what the cause was .I remember him and his dogs .

 

[PeterJens]

WHAT IS AGENDA 21? DEPOPULATION OF 95% OF THE WORLD BY 2030​

Most people are unaware that one of the greatest threats to their freedom may be a United Nations program which plans to depopulate 95% of the world.

The name of this plan is Agenda 21, and it was developed by the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Division for Sustainable Development, as part of a sustainability policy.

According to the United Nations website, Agenda 21 is a “comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations system, government, and major groups, in every area in which humans have impact on the environment”.


In a nutshell, the plan calls for governments to take control of all land use and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners.

It is assumed that people are not good stewards of their land and the government will do a better job if they are in control.

Individual rights in general are to give way to the needs of communities as determined by the governing body.

Moreover, people should be rounded up off the land and packed into human settlements, or islands of human habitation, close to employment centers and transportation. Another program, called the Wildlands Project spells out how most of the land is to be set aside for non-humans.

Agenda 21 policies date back to the 1970’s but it got its real start in 1992 at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President Bush signed onto it. President Clinton signed it later and continued the program in the United States.

Agenda 21 is ‘soft-law’ and did not have to be voted on by the Congress. A non-governmental organization called the International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives, ICLEI, is tasked with carrying out the goals of Agenda 21.

Over 600 cities in the U.S. are members, and that number is growing. The costs are paid by taxpayers.

WHAT IS AGENDA 21? DEPOPULATION OF 95% OF THE WORLD BY 2030 | "Global Possibilities"

JLB

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/index.php?page=view&type=400&nr=23&menu=35

This is the real agenda of Agenda 21 and it is about helping deal with poverty through better trade.

The idea of killing most of the worlds population is absurd, literally at every level. Why would you believe such a thing from sincere people whose whole life effort is to help people.

There are massive efforts to help with climate change, to reverse land loss in the Sahara desert, to understand the loss of farming land in the US through erosion. These are studies and efforts done for decades.

You have to be crazy to believe all these people are actually evil intending to destroy the world.
What is a reality is those spreading such ideas are the ones who are truly trying to destroy things and cause slander and antipathy against those making real progress in the scientific search for solutions.

Maybe the idea that things are changing is too difficult an idea to face, so it must be the end of the world and the worst case scenario is what is really going on. This is what paranoia does to you. And the only cure is to not indulge it and to take people as you see them, as honest hard working individuals with families, who want a good outcome for everyone. It is what having children does to people, we are built to desire the best for them and to work to achieve this. It is amazing even the most falling apart individuals will often look after their children no matter what.

God bless you

 

[JLB]

You have to be crazy to believe all these people are actually evil intending to destroy the world.

You are free to believe those who want Globalism are really good people that just want to help.

 

[PeterJens]

You are free to believe those who want Globalism are really good people that just want to help.

I know some sincere believers who work for the who, one as a pharmacist and the other looking at ways to help poverty. There is massive under funding and the challenges are vast compared to the resources, but good work is done.

These are people who are not political but just want to help.

And there are other influences at work, but that does not mean one can generalise.
So this idea that globalism is a thing is not really reality. There are groups and companies that have a global reach, and they succeed and fail depending of many different criteria, but their driving force is success, ie making a profit or for NGO's helping people in a targeted way.

When you begin to see the WHO often is a few hundred people entering a country like Yemen with millions starving and ill, it is a very small impact compared to the massive need.

Taking wars like in Afghanistan, the truth is the people can choose and throw out the few able to help, which they have done, and are now starving and facing economic collapse. The insane agenda is muslim groups who feel their Islamic view makes their country better, when it has precisely continued to make their country poor and destitute.

God bless you