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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Allah and Yahwah
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I know. That's exactly what I've been telling you.
Of course, that is exactly what I've been telling you. Perhaps you should read my posts more closely. You have been, up until now, saying something very different, namely, that "Jesus is the name of the YHWH." Why are you now changing your position?
And the name of "the Godhead," the name of God, is YHWH. The Son is YHWH but YHWH isn't the Son, as you claim.
Of course. But, do you understand that the Father sends the Son? If it is called the Day of the LORD, then that means it is the Day of YHWH, who is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Yes, exactly. First, as I stated, it is only to show that Jesus is YHWH, just as the Father is, and just as the Holy Spirit is. Second, as you say, "The Son is called YHWH in verse 10,"
Do you believe what the scriptures say about the Angel of the LORD?
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6
- And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him
- And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
Do you believe the Angel of the LORD was God?
Yes.
Jesus is the Name of the LORD, YHWH the LORD God.
The Son is YHWH. I agree.
But to the Son He says:…
You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:10
Zechariah says it this way -
The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1
It was the Son, the Spirit of Christ, speaking through Zechariah.
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11
The Spirit of Christ, Jesus Christ, spoke through the mouth of the Old Testament prophets.
Please quote context, lest anyone think that I actually stated and believe that "Jesus is the name of the YHWH." What I said was: You have been, up until now, saying something very different, namely, that "Jesus is the name of the YHWH."
But, I have shown how both of those clauses are grammatical nonsense, which you have yet to address.
But, is YHWH the Son? If so, then you are teaching what Oneness/Sabellianism teaches. If not, then you are contradicting your claim that "Jesus is the Name of the LORD, YHWH the LORD God."
Is the Father YHWH? If so, then that contradicts your claim that "Jesus is the Name of the LORD, YHWH the LORD God."
It's also worth noting that you have yet to address Ex 3:15, which I have given twice:
Exo 3:15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘[YHWH], the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations. (ESV)
Do you believe YHWH when he said that YHWH is his "name forever," and that is how he is "to be remembered throughout all generations"? If so, how can Jesus be God's name?
That is just another one of your opinions.
You will need to go back and answer my questions before you can expect anymore dialog from me.
Please read my post and answer the question.
Do you believe the Angel of the LORD was God?
hishandmaiden
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Yahweh is not the only name for God. God is also known as Elohim in the old testament.
In the new testament, we simply called Him, "Father".
In the new testament, we simply called Him, "Father".
I have stated repeatedly that the Father is YHWH and the Holy Spirit is YHWH; These three are one.
I did not see where you answered my question which was -
Do you believe the Angel of the LORD was God?
Here is your post you referred to saying you answered my question.
That is not teaching that Jesus is the name of the LORD. You need to address the faulty reasoning of your claim, as I have given it more than once now. You are saying that "Jesus is the name of the YHWH," but YHWH is God's name. So, you're saying "Jesus is the name of the name of God," which is nonsensical. This passage is teaching that Jesus is Lord and strongly implies that Jesus is Yahweh. Not that that does not mean that Yahweh's name is Jesus because, again, that is nonsensical. It means that Jesus is Yahweh, that he is truly God.
Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (ESV)
This is from Joel 2:32:
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of [YHWH] shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as [YHWH] has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom [YHWH] calls. (ESV)
Exo 3:15 And God said again to Moses, "So you must say to the Israelites, 'Yahweh, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is my name forever, and this is my remembrance from generation to generation.' (LEB)
Why haven't you addressed this passage yet? You are saying God changed his name to Jesus, without any warrant for doing so, and in the process, contradicting what God says.
Where have I called you a name? Don't make accusations if you can't back them up, lest you are proven to be lying. And, again, I am not misrepresenting you.
'The "Jesus Only" movement, also known as Oneness Pentecostalism or oneness theology, teaches that there is only one God, but denies the tri-unity of God. In other words, oneness theology does not recognize the distinct persons of the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It has various forms / modes / manifestations—some see Jesus Christ as the one God, who sometimes manifests Himself as the Father or the Holy Spirit. The core doctrine of Oneness Pentecostal / Jesus Only is that Jesus is the Father and Jesus is the Spirit. There is one God who reveals Himself in different "modes."'
https://www.gotquestions.org/oneness-Jesus-only.html
And? That doesn't mean YHWH is Jesus. It means that Jesus is YHWH, that he is truly God. Note that it is the Father who says that of the Son. Two persons, not one.
Again, you don't seem to understand a basic translation concept, namely, that YHWH, in the OT, is replaced by "the LORD," at least in English translations. Not all translations do that, such as the LEB, but most do. So, saying "The LORD YHWH," is the same as saying "YHWH YHWH," which doesn't make sense.
No, it isn't. First, because that is nonsensical, as I have pointed out several times now. Second, Jesus is the Son of God incarnate, the second person of the Trinity in human flesh. He is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. Third, you're once again saying "YHWH YHWH God," which doesn't make sense.
Since Jesus is only the second person of the Trinity in human flesh, to claim that God's name is Jesus, is to equate Jesus with all of YHWH. That is, you're saying Jesus is YHWH (which is correct) and YHWH is Jesus, but that is exactly the error that Jesus Only/Oneness teach. That makes YHWH only one person, Jesus, instead of three.
I don't know if that's true or not. There isn't much to suggest it is.