Allah and Yahwah

[CherubRam]

"Lord / Master" is a common title that can apply to anyone.

Zechariah 14:9
(The Lord / Yahwah) will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be (one / only - Lord / Yahwah, and his name the only name.

It is a sin to join Paganism, Gnosticism, and Mysticism to Yahwah.

 

[CherubRam]

There is only one true God and His name is (Yahwah / Life Began.)

Yahshua came to glorify the Father and introduce the New Covenant.

Yahshua did not come to introduce Paganism, Gnosticism, and Mysticism.

Those things were added to the bible by the Catholics.

 

[for_his_glory]

All the Names of Jesus - Bible Resources

List of All the Names of Jesus in the Bible. List includes the titles & names that identified Christ's mission of the way of salvation for mankind.

bibleresources.org

The name of YHWH represents many titles in scripture within all His characteristics. It's all the same no matter what we call Him as in English we know Him as Jesus. Even Christ is a title.

 

[CherubRam]

All the Names of Jesus - Bible Resources

List of All the Names of Jesus in the Bible. List includes the titles & names that identified Christ's mission of the way of salvation for mankind.

bibleresources.org

The name of YHWH represents many titles in scripture within all His characteristics. It's all the same no matter what we call Him as in English we know Him as Jesus. Even Christ is a title.

The name Jesus was invented in 15 hundred AD.

 

[Who Me]

It is a sin to join Paganism, Gnosticism, and Mysticism to Yahwah.

Who are you accusing of this?

 

[for_his_glory]

The name Jesus was invented in 15 hundred AD.

More JW heresies. God is God and Jesus is Jesus no matter what they are named by others. You don't even believe in the Deity of Christ because JW are taught very wrong. In Hebrew He is known as YHWH and in English Jesus.

 

[Free]

Keep laughing, it only makes you look bad. How about you actually address my point and at least try and look like you're taking a serious theological discussion seriously?

You stated: "Jesus is the Name of the LORD."

I responded: 'Second, if “The Name of the LORD as revealed in the New Testament is Jesus,” then you are saying “The Name of YHWH as revealed in the New Testament is Jesus.” That is essentially saying that “The Name of God’s name as revealed in the New Testament is Jesus.” How does that make sense?'

YHWH is God's name and is replaced with "the LORD" in the OT, in most translations. So, your claim--"Jesus is the name of the LORD--actually is saying, "Jesus is the name of YHWH." But, since YHWH is God's name (forever, according to Ex 3:15, which I gave), you are essentially claiming that "Jesus is the name of God's name." Do you see how flawed your reasoning is, that it makes grammatical nonsense?

You are falsely accusing me because that is what your argument is reduced to.

Ad Hominem.

You are blatantly misrepresenting me.

No, it is literally what you're teaching. You're completely leaving out the Trinitarian position that YHWH is the name of the one God, who is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Only Jesus Only/Oneness/Sabellians teach that YWHW is one person, with Jesus Only believing that it is only Jesus, as you are teaching. Accuracy really, really matters in theology, particularly when it comes to something so difficult as the nature of God.

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6


Is the Angel of the LORD a reference to God the Father or the Son?


And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14

The Angel of the LORD said Hs Name was I AM.

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59


Jesus says He is I AM.

How is any of this relevant to my questions? Do you understand what the doctrine of the Trinity teaches? Do you understand what Jesus Only/Oneness/Sabellianism teaches regarding the nature of God?

 

[JLB]

You stated: "Jesus is the Name of the LORD."

Yes. That’s what the scriptures teach.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 10:9-13

• whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved

What is the name of the LORD we call on to be saved according to the scriptures?

Hint: It’s the only Name under heaven by which men are saved.

• if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus

 

[JLB]

No, it is literally what you're teaching.

You are blatantly misrepresenting me and calling me a derogatory name because you don’t know the scriptures.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


What is the name of the Son who laid the foundation of the earth and stretched out the heavens?

Answer: Jesus

The LORD YHWH stretched out the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth.

Jesus is the NAME of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God.

 

[JLB]

How is any of this relevant to my questions?

Who was speaking to Moses out of the burning bush?


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.

Who was Moses looking at in the burning bush?

Answer; The Angel of the LORD, the LORD (YHWH), God

So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”

• And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.

To top it off The Angel of the LORD declared His Name to be I AM.

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

 

[JLB]

Who was speaking to Moses out of the burning bush?


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.

Who was Moses looking at in the burning bush?

Answer; The Angel of the LORD, the LORD (YHWH), God

So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”

• And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.

To top it off The Angel of the LORD declared His Name to be I AM.

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

The Angel of the LORD is a reference to Jesus the Son of God before He became flesh.

Do you believe this to be true? I think you do.

The Angel of the LORD is The Son of God.

 

[deepfaithpraise]

I don't think you'll find a lot of people that disagree with you on this on a christian forum

I think most christians who take even a cursory look at Islam realize that Muhammad was the Antichrist and that the Islamic God is nothing like the christian god

 

[tdidymas]

I don't think you'll find a lot of people that disagree with you on this on a christian forum

I think most christians who take even a cursory look at Islam realize that Muhammad was the Antichrist and that the Islamic God is nothing like the christian god

"Nothing like" is an exaggeration, thereby making your statement untrue. If the Muslim Allah did not have godly features, no one would follow them. Read the 99 names for Allah, and then try to explain how every one of them is opposed to the nature of the only true God. In fact, every one of those 99 names has some backing in OT scripture. That's how Islam is deceptive, just like every other cult in the world. In order to effectively battle the deception, we should not be exaggerating a generalization such as a "nothing like" scenario, but rather specify in detail what the differences are.

 

[Free]

Yes. That’s what the scriptures teach.

Where?

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 10:9-13

• whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved

What is the name of the LORD we call on to be saved according to the scriptures?

Hint: It’s the only Name under heaven by which men are saved.

• if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus

That is not teaching that Jesus is the name of the LORD. You need to address the faulty reasoning of your claim, as I have given it more than once now. You are saying that "Jesus is the name of the YHWH," but YHWH is God's name. So, you're saying "Jesus is the name of the name of God," which is nonsensical. This passage is teaching that Jesus is Lord and strongly implies that Jesus is Yahweh. Not that that does not mean that Yahweh's name is Jesus because, again, that is nonsensical. It means that Jesus is Yahweh, that he is truly God.

Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (ESV)

This is from Joel 2:32:

Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of [YHWH] shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as [YHWH] has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom [YHWH] calls. (ESV)


Exo 3:15 And God said again to Moses, "So you must say to the Israelites, 'Yahweh, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is my name forever, and this is my remembrance from generation to generation.' (LEB)

Why haven't you addressed this passage yet? You are saying God changed his name to Jesus, without any warrant for doing so, and in the process, contradicting what God says.

You are blatantly misrepresenting me and calling me a derogatory name because you don’t know the scriptures.

Where have I called you a name? Don't make accusations if you can't back them up, lest you are proven to be lying. And, again, I am not misrepresenting you.

'The "Jesus Only" movement, also known as Oneness Pentecostalism or oneness theology, teaches that there is only one God, but denies the tri-unity of God. In other words, oneness theology does not recognize the distinct persons of the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It has various forms / modes / manifestations—some see Jesus Christ as the one God, who sometimes manifests Himself as the Father or the Holy Spirit. The core doctrine of Oneness Pentecostal / Jesus Only is that Jesus is the Father and Jesus is the Spirit. There is one God who reveals Himself in different "modes."'

https://www.gotquestions.org/oneness-Jesus-only.html

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


What is the name of the Son who laid the foundation of the earth and stretched out the heavens?

Answer: Jesus

And? That doesn't mean YHWH is Jesus. It means that Jesus is YHWH, that he is truly God. Note that it is the Father who says that of the Son. Two persons, not one.

The LORD YHWH stretched out the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth.

Again, you don't seem to understand a basic translation concept, namely, that YHWH, in the OT, is replaced by "the LORD," at least in English translations. Not all translations do that, such as the LEB, but most do. So, saying "The LORD YHWH," is the same as saying "YHWH YHWH," which doesn't make sense.

Jesus is the NAME of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God.

No, it isn't. First, because that is nonsensical, as I have pointed out several times now. Second, Jesus is the Son of God incarnate, the second person of the Trinity in human flesh. He is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. Third, you're once again saying "YHWH YHWH God," which doesn't make sense.

Since Jesus is only the second person of the Trinity in human flesh, to claim that God's name is Jesus, is to equate Jesus with all of YHWH. That is, you're saying Jesus is YHWH (which is correct) and YHWH is Jesus, but that is exactly the error that Jesus Only/Oneness teach. That makes YHWH only one person, Jesus, instead of three.

The Angel of the LORD is a reference to Jesus the Son of God before He became flesh.

Do you believe this to be true? I think you do.

The Angel of the LORD is The Son of God.

I don't know if that's true or not. There isn't much to suggest it is.

 

[JLB]

That is not teaching that Jesus is the name of the LORD. You need to address the faulty reasoning of your claim, as I have given it more than once now. You are saying that "Jesus is the name of the YHWH," but YHWH is God's name.

YHWH certainly is God’s name.

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

Jesus invoked the Name I AM as His own and the Jews when the heard Him say it, picked up stones to stone Him for blasphemy.


Do you believe Jesus was God manifested in the flesh?

Not God the Father, but the Son.


JLB

 

[JLB]

And? That doesn't mean YHWH is Jesus. It means that Jesus is YHWH, that he is truly God. Note that it is the Father who says that of the Son. Two persons, not one.

Yes there are three persons of the Godhead; The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. They are co equal God.

 

[JLB]

No, it isn't. First, because that is nonsensical, as I have pointed out several times now.

Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:1-5

• Thus the LORD my God will come, and all the saints with You.

Who is coming on the Day of the LORD with the saints?

The Father or the Son?


Do you understand the Day of the LORD is called the Day of Christ?

 

[JLB]

Since Jesus is only the second person of the Trinity in human flesh, to claim that God's name is Jesus, is to equate Jesus with all of YHWH.

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10


Who laid the foundation of the earth and stretched out the heavens?

The Son.

The Son is called LORD (YHWH) in verse 10.



JLB

 

[JLB]

I don't know if that's true or not. There isn't much to suggest it is.

There isn’t much to suggest The Angel of the LORD is a reference to the Son of God?

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6

• And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire

Do you believe the Angel of the LORD refers to the Father or the Son?


Angels are sons of God.

The Angel of the LORD is The Son of God.

Surely we can at least agree on this.


Do you understand that everywhere the LORD appeared to people in the Old Testament it was the Son; God the Son?

No one had seen God the Father in the Old Testament.


No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Allah is not in the bible and Yahwah is not is the Quran.

Alla, Allah, Alilah. "The god ascends," referring to the rising of the morning sun.

Yahuah, Yahwah. "Life Began." The meaning of God's name.

Mohammad did not know the name of God, so he used the name of a Pagan god.

"Allah" is the Arabian variant of "Elohim", the most common name of God in the OT. The problem is not a violation of the first commandment, but the second - muslims don't worship God properly by following God's prophet. The only proper way to worship Yahwah is through Jesus who is the way, the truth and the life, Mohammad is a false prophet. Israelites worshipped Yahwah, the very God who delivered them from Egypt, not any other God, but they did so through a golden calf, that's not an acceptable way.