I think we need to clear some things up. I think there is confusion about what you think I am saying and I think there was confusion on my end of what you were saying.
I'm saying "Sodom and her daughters" is refering to the city of Sodom and the surrounding areas. No more no less. Its not talking about the people in those lands.
As I said here in my first post.....
Incorrect, it doesn't say the city of Sodom itself was to be restored. To this day it still has not been (the city itself). It does say Sodom and its daughters (which now make up Jordan) are captivated by inhabitants.
Sodom and its surrounding lands (daughters) make up part of the western border of Jordan. Verse 53 says "then I will bring again captivity of thy captives in the midst of them" meaning those lands will in fact be lived in again (restored to what they were before) or as I said "captivated by inhabitants", see verse 55. Not in the city specifically but in that area. That is why I brought up Jordan to imply that it was a part of a civilization again. Maybe that helps you understand what I was saying in my first post on this page link below.....
http://christianforums.net/viewtopic.ph ... 715c822775
Where I initially thought you were disagreeing with that point that daughters was talking surrounding lands, I now see that you just acknowledged them differently, calling them surrounding cities instead of surrounding lands which was the way I said it. The point where we differ is whether or not the restoration of Sodom and its surrounding lands (daughters) includes its inhabitants. If I've not understood you correctly let me know.
When I brought up the passage Ezekiel 16:20, I was showing that when Ezekiel was talking about actual people (inhabitants), he said sons and daughters. When he said Sodom and her daughters he only meant the surrounding area of lands.
No, according to my interpretation the only literal daughters are mentioned in the passage that speaks of Jerusalem's human sacrifices (the only place where sons are also mentioned
Yes, I've never disagreed this. That was actually my point. When talking about literal people, Ezekiel says sons and daughters. That is why I quoted verse 20-21 in the first place.
As I said.....
These verse in the same chapter are indeed refering to people. He calls them sons and daughters. Notice when he is talking about its people its done differently when he discussed a city and its surrounding area.
Ezekiel 16:20-21
"And you took your sons and daughters whom you bore to me and sacrificed them as food to the idols. Was your prostitution not enough? You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols."
This is talking about people.... notice here it says sons and daughters.
He doesn't say it the same way in verse 53 and that gives absolutely no indication that he was saying restoration of Sodom and her daughters included the inhabitants too. Hence, that is why in my original post I said Jude 7 was not talking about the actual land site.
As I said....
The problem here is that you are assuming Jude is talking about the land site of Sodom. He is not. He is talking about the inhabitants in that city.
Isaiah 1:31 backs up Jude 7 as well as I indicated in that first post.
So I think that clears things up here. I think I understand that you have actually been agreeing with me that Sodom and her daughters is talking about the city and surrounding areas (or surrounding cities as you say it), but we differ on if the restoration included Sodom's inhabitants. You said they are included, and I said that they were not included in that passage. Does this bring us to the present or is there something I've misunderstood from your posts??
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