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Animals didn't sin
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Classik
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Classik
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Sorry for my over-inquisitiveness. It's in our bone marrow 
Actually, as we all know, the animal kingdom during the time of Adam and Eve was a peaceful one. All animals lived in unity - and there was no quarrel at all. There was no sickness. They never died or they rarely died... Because Adam had to feed on some, I think.
Adam and the wife actually sinned. I just wonder what really went wrong. Was the curse upon the ground also riased upon all other living things?perhaps this question should have been part of the OP.
So the animal kigdom didn't eat the apple - yet they suffer as much as man suffers.
Actually, as we all know, the animal kingdom during the time of Adam and Eve was a peaceful one. All animals lived in unity - and there was no quarrel at all. There was no sickness. They never died or they rarely died... Because Adam had to feed on some, I think.
Adam and the wife actually sinned. I just wonder what really went wrong. Was the curse upon the ground also riased upon all other living things?perhaps this question should have been part of the OP.
So the animal kigdom didn't eat the apple - yet they suffer as much as man suffers.
tim-from-pa
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All creation was affected by the fall:
I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>that<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=" http:="" www.christianforums.net="" "#fen-niv-28138h""="" target="_blank">h]">[h]</sup> the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. (NIV)
Mankind was created in God's image and likeness to be over the throne of this Earth. Have you ever wondered what eating of the tree of Life would have brought? Incarnation in Adam. But being disobedient sold himself to Satan by acknowledging him as Lord in effect, and the god over this earth is now Lucifer. Animals et al where brought under the same curse being under Adam, just as a wife is under her husband and just as in Adam all die (even though none of us asked to be born).
That passage says that creation will one day be restored as it was intended to be, this time upon the revealing of the sons of God. It's not only Christ who will rule and reign this earth one day. It will be the church as well. Then after that many more will be saved in their due time. And even more after that as well. The church is the firstfruits, the Kings and Priests.
I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. <sup class="versenum">20 </sup>For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope <sup class="versenum">21 </sup>that<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href=" http:="" www.christianforums.net="" "#fen-niv-28138h""="" target="_blank">h]">[h]</sup> the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. (NIV)
Mankind was created in God's image and likeness to be over the throne of this Earth. Have you ever wondered what eating of the tree of Life would have brought? Incarnation in Adam. But being disobedient sold himself to Satan by acknowledging him as Lord in effect, and the god over this earth is now Lucifer. Animals et al where brought under the same curse being under Adam, just as a wife is under her husband and just as in Adam all die (even though none of us asked to be born).
That passage says that creation will one day be restored as it was intended to be, this time upon the revealing of the sons of God. It's not only Christ who will rule and reign this earth one day. It will be the church as well. Then after that many more will be saved in their due time. And even more after that as well. The church is the firstfruits, the Kings and Priests.
No, I don't believe they can sin. What I meant is that the devastation disobedience causes isn't confined within the human species. Nor is it confined to this planet. A quick look at the surface of the moon and other planets show a great deal of devastation. Was is caused because of Adam's sin? Or maybe it happened during the great flood? The fact is, God didn't create the moon and planets scarred like that. Nor did He create the earth the way we see it now. The effects of sin IMHO is far more outreaching than we can possibly calculate.Were animals part of 'the' disobedience?:dunno
Potluck
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We were given dominion over the animals. They cannot be greater than we.
It's another example of the consequences of sin. God's judgment is also greater than man's interpretation of fairness and sometimes we have a hard time with that.
We were not given dominance over God and again, sometimes we have a hard time with that.
It's another example of the consequences of sin. God's judgment is also greater than man's interpretation of fairness and sometimes we have a hard time with that.
We were not given dominance over God and again, sometimes we have a hard time with that.