Another thread on homosexuality

[Free]

Jesus told us it is a sin to have sex before we get married. No two men would want to get married unless they already were having sex. Do away with premarital sex and you would have no homosexuality.

No, not at all. If heterosexuals can wait until marriage to have sex, so could homosexuals.

Is it just the sex in homosexual that makes it a sin? If not, where does it begin to be sinful?

I was responding to the above and typing this out when you asked the very question I was answering. A good case can be made that it isn't homosexuals the Bible is necessarily addressing, it is homosexual acts. This means the acts are wrong for those who are heterosexuals as well.

This would mean that non-practicing (celibate) homosexuals could be saved and enter heaven. Just something to think about.

 

[elijah23]

No, not at all. If heterosexuals can wait until marriage to have sex, so could homosexuals.

We are not supposed to have sex until we get married. You will never find two men who want to marry each other unless they are already having sex. Therefore, homosexuality is a sin.

 

[Free]

We are not supposed to have sex until we get married. You will never find two men who want to marry each other unless they are already having sex. Therefore, homosexuality is a sin.

Your reasoning is not sound.

 

[Danus]

Thanks for the thoughtful replies. This has certainly clarified the issue.

First, let me say that I am not gay. I love, and will always love women ;).

But I do have many friends who are.

My question was regarding the Christian position. I won't argue any further because it is not my intent or right to tell anyone they are wrong. I was more interested in how you responded to my points, not in forcing them upon you!

I firmly believe in every person's right to their opinion/religion/outlook. Even if that opinion believes it is the only right opinion. That's their right, and I try not to judge.

Personally, I disagree with much of what was said, but that has no relevance. I can see how the points I disagree on can be arrived at rationally. Just not my cup of tea, as they say.

Basically, I am interested in Christianity. My point here is to see if:

1. My general beliefs work with Christian beliefs.
2. If my general beliefs can be changed to work with Christian beliefs.

The second point needs more thought.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond to what must be a ridiculous question from your point of views.

This is not the correct approach to Christianity.

Christianity is not a religious club, it's a relationship with God that requires a rebirth, change of heart from you to begin that relationship.

If you want to be religious then there are plenty of religions to pick from, and you might try Hinduism based on what yo have expressed so far. I think you'd like that one the most.

 

[elijah23]

Your reasoning is not sound.

It IS sound: You will never find two men who want to marry that haven't already had sex.

 

[elijah23]

Your reasoning is not sound.

It is the Lord’s will that nobody have sex until they get married. If people obeyed, then most of them sooner or later would fall in love with someone of the opposite sex and get married. The Lord would pick a few to live lives of sexual abstinence.

However, people frequently don’t wait till they get married to have sex, and once that happens, their sexual desire grows astronomically, causing them to do other immoral things.

 

[Free]

It is the Lord’s will that nobody have sex until they get married. If people obeyed, then most of them sooner or later would fall in love with someone of the opposite sex and get married. The Lord would pick a few to live lives of sexual abstinence.

However, people frequently don’t wait till they get married to have sex, and once that happens, their sexual desire grows astronomically, causing them to do other immoral things.

Sure but that has nothing to do with homosexuality specifically.

 

[Free]

It IS sound: You will never find two men who want to marry that haven't already had sex.

And you know this how? Have you interviewed every homosexual couple? What about heterosexuals that have sex before marriage? Many of them still get married.

Not to mention you said "Therefore, homosexuality is a sin." But your conclusion doesn't follow. Homosexual acts are sin regardless of before marriage or after marriage.

 

[elijah23]

Sure but that has nothing to do with homosexuality specifically.

People are to resist sexual temptation before they marry. Homosexuals are among those who did not resist temptation.

 

[elijah23]

And you know this how? Have you interviewed every homosexual couple? What about heterosexuals that have sex before marriage? Many of them still get married.

Not to mention you said "Therefore, homosexuality is a sin." But your conclusion doesn't follow. Homosexual acts are sin regardless of before marriage or after marriage.

Show me two men who want to marry each other who have never had sex.

 

[WIP]

Homosexuals are among those who did not resist temptation.

Same is true of heterosexuals. Likewise there are many who do resist the temptation.

 

[Free]

Show me two men who want to marry each other who have never had sex.

That's not my problem. The onus is on you to provide proof for your assertions.

Same is true of heterosexuals. Likewise there are many who do resist the temptation.

That is what I was going to say.

 

[jasoncran]

Show me two men who want to marry each other who have never had sex.

having the thoughts to make love or love to a man or woman if one is gay or lesbian isnt the sin. its when you feed them that it becomes a lust.

does the former alcoholic unsaved when he comes to christ and then stops his fix? NO he does get the thoughts to drink, but he can choose to feed that desire or starve it!

 

[celo]

We are not supposed to have sex until we get married. You will never find two men who want to marry each other unless they are already having sex. Therefore, homosexuality is a sin.

Generalize much? Is that your personal interpretation of the scripture, or God's intended inference?

 

[elijah23]

Same is true of heterosexuals. Likewise there are many who do resist the temptation.

Homosexuals are people who have had sex with someone of the same sex. They have all given into temptation.

People who have not given into temptation are not homosexuals.

Some heterosexuals give in to temptation. This is sin. Others do not. They remain sexually abstinent until they marry and then are faithful to their spouses.

 

[elijah23]

That's not my problem. The onus is on you to provide proof for your assertions.


That is what I was going to say.

Some things are self-evident. I know that no two men would want to get married unless they were already having sex. Whereas, some heterosexual people wait to get married before they have sex, as the Lord commanded, homosexuals never do.

 

[elijah23]

Generalize much? Is that your personal interpretation of the scripture, or God's intended inference?

Some things are self-evident. We are not to have sex before we marry. No two men would want to marry each other unless they were already having sex. Find me two men who want to get married to each other who aren't already having sex.

 

[Pard]

Considering that most states and countires don't have gay marriages he's kind of right....

 

[Free]

Some things are self-evident. I know that no two men would want to get married unless they were already having sex. Whereas, some heterosexual people wait to get married before they have sex, as the Lord commanded, homosexuals never do.

Again, your reasoning is in error.

 

[WIP]

Homosexuals are people who have had sex with someone of the same sex. They have all given into temptation.

People who have not given into temptation are not homosexuals.

Some heterosexuals give in to temptation. This is sin. Others do not. They remain sexually abstinent until they marry and then are faithful to their spouses.

Now I understand. That explains the difference of opinion in this thread. I suspect your definition of "homosexual" differs from others' including mine. It would seem that your definition of heterosexual carries differs from homosexual more than just by the act itself. In other words, you feel all of us are heterosexual from birth but some of us choose to be homosexual at some other point in our life. Am I summing it up accurately?