[_ Old Earth _] Archaeologists Discover Remains of Egyptian Army From the Biblical Exodus in Red Sea

[Jacks Bratt]

By the time of his death in 1999, Wyatt claimed to have discovered several sites and artifacts related to the Bible and Biblical archaeology. These included:

• Noah's Ark (the Durupınar site, located approximately 18 miles (29 km) south of Mount Ararat)[2]
• Anchor stones (or drogue stones) used by Noah on the Ark[3]
• The post-flood house, grave markers and tombs of Noah and his wife[4]
• The location of Sodom and Gomorrah and the other Cities of the Plain: Zoar, Zeboim and Admah[5]
• Sulfur/brimstone balls from the ashen remains of Sodom and Gomorrah[6]
• The area of Djoser's pyramid complex believed to be the remains of Joseph's grain distribution bins used during the 7 year famine[7]
• The Tower of Babel site (in southern Turkey)[8]
• How the Egyptians may have built the pyramids[9]
• The site of the Israelites' crossing of the Red Sea (located in the Gulf of Aqaba)[10]
• Chariot wheels and other relics of the army of Pharaoh at the bottom of the Red Sea[11]
• The site of the biblical Mt. Sinai (in Saudi Arabia at Jabal al Lawz)[12]
• A chamber at the end of a maze of tunnels under Jerusalem containing artifacts from Solomon's Temple (including the Ark of the Covenant)[13]
• The site of the Crucifixion of Jesus[14]
• Christ's blood in an "earthquake crack" beneath the crucifixion site, the DNA of which, according to Wyatt, contained 24 chromosomes, rather than 46[15]
• Burial pots off the coast of Ashkelon[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt

Do you believe that there was a man named Noah who built and ark? If so, do you think anyone will ever find it?

 

[Edward]

It baffles me how people can profess to be Christian and then also not believe what's written in God's word.

 

[Barbarian]

Do you believe that there was a man named Noah who built and ark?

Suppose this was an allegory God used to teach a lesson. Would you then call it a lie? It happens that there was a great regional flood in the Middle East at about the right time. So it could very well have been about a specific event that actually happened. Or it might not. It doesn't matter whether or not it was literally true, or used as a parable. To focus on that, is to lose sight of what God is teaching you. Let Him be God and decide.

If so, do you think anyone will ever find it?

Seems unlikely. Nor does it matter. An old boat is a very thin reed on which to base your faith. God should be sufficient. Let it be so.

Accept His word as He chose to give it to you, and don't add things that aren't in it.

 

[Edward]

Barbarian:
Suppose this was an allegory God used to teach a lesson. Would you then call it a lie? It happens that there was a great regional flood in the Middle East at about the right time. So it could very well have been about a specific event that actually happened. Or it might not. It doesn't matter whether or not it was literally true, or used as a parable. To focus on that, is to lose sight of what God is teaching you. Let Him be God and decide.../

(You guys keep saying this!)

OK, suppose it was. What's the teaching? I have to presume that you haven't lost sight of God's teaching here...so it's very important to learn this hey?

OK. Enlighten me.

It sure is a long drawn out parable. So many details and names. So of course there's a lot to learn here

Help a Brother out. :wink

 

[Edward]

Seems unlikely. Nor does it matter. An old boat is a very thin reed on which to base your faith. God should be sufficient. Let it be so.

Now you (should) know that ours is not a boat based faith. His name is Jesus...shame on you for speaking such tripe.

 

[Barbarian]

OK, suppose it was. What's the teaching? I have to presume that you haven't lost sight of God's teaching here...so it's very important to learn this hey?

Yes, I think so. First, the Noah foreshadows Moses. Noah was a righteous man to whom God gave warning that He was going to punish men for their evil by a great flood. Noah and his family are saved by entering an ark which carried them through the flood to survive. Moses was to be killed, along with all other Israelite male babies, so his mother put him in a basket and hid him in the water, from which he was rescued by a daughter of the king, who adopted him. Later, Moses led the faithful children of Israel though the Red Sea when the waters parted to let them pass, while drowning the pursuing Egyptians.

This is why baptism of water is our symbol of entry into God's family. These are lessons of God's love and patience with sinful men, even if they ultimately turn from Him to their destruction. Whether or not there was an actual flood, is immaterial to the point He's telling us, even as it doesn't matter if there was really a Good Samaritan described by Jesus.

The idea of a flood as punishment is an old one, and there were flood stories in Sumeria and Akkad before the story was used in our Bible. Since there were a lot of floods in that area, and since there was at least one of Biblical proportions when the Black Sea was created by the Mediterranean breaking through at the Bosphorus, it very well could have been an actual occurance. Or it could have been a parable. It doesn't matter in the least, which of those is the case.

 

[Barbarian]

Now you (should) know that ours is not a boat based faith. His name is Jesus...shame on you for speaking such tripe.

Then hold to Him, and don't worry about whether or not there's a boat somewhere to find. It does not matter. This is like looking for the Holy Grail. Such things are useful only in the sense of focusing our minds on Him; they have no intrinsic power or value other than that.

 

[Jim Parker]

Lollipops are inanimate.

a lollipop is a sucker

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Yes, I think so. First, the Noah foreshadows Moses. Noah was a righteous man to whom God gave warning that He was going to punish men for their evil by a great flood. Noah and his family are saved by entering an ark which carried them through the flood to survive. Moses was to be killed, along with all other Israelite male babies, so his mother put him in a basket and hid him in the water, from which he was rescued by a daughter of the king, who adopted him. Later, Moses led the faithful children of Israel though the Red Sea when the waters parted to let them pass, while drowning the pursuing Egyptians.

This is why baptism of water is our symbol of entry into God's family. These are lessons of God's love and patience with sinful men, even if they ultimately turn from Him to their destruction. Whether or not there was an actual flood, is immaterial to the point He's telling us, even as it doesn't matter if there was really a Good Samaritan described by Jesus.

The idea of a flood as punishment is an old one, and there were flood stories in Sumeria and Akkad before the story was used in our Bible. Since there were a lot of floods in that area, and since there was at least one of Biblical proportions when the Black Sea was created by the Mediterranean breaking through at the Bosphorus, it very well could have been an actual occurance. Or it could have been a parable. It doesn't matter in the least, which of those is the case.

Hi Barbarian. I think you need to reconsider the trustworthiness of the bible. But I also think there is merrit that God gave us lessons throughout the bible. So to look at the history in the bible (anywhere in the bible) as a parable, a lesson, is good in the sence of trying to learn what God is teaching us, but it is bad in taking away what God actually recorded in the scriptures as accurate. It's a slippery slope that can move God as the teachers and the foundation, because His words are accurate, right, and hold no wrong in them; to a state of loose gravel in interpretions, philosophy, and any other field of human understanding. Our understanding shouldn't be the foundations to knowing the bible. The bible should be the authority higher then our own understanding so that it can readily still teach us and correct us.

 

[turnorburn]

Noah's Ark is there to those that have faith in Gods word..

Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

 

[Barbarian]

Hi Barbarian. I think you need to reconsider the trustworthiness of the bible.

Sorry, I'm convinced it's trustworthy.

But I also think there is merrit that God gave us lessons throughout the bible.

That's what it is. It's about God and man and our relationship.

So to look at the history in the bible (anywhere in the bible) as a parable, a lesson, is good in the sence of trying to learn what God is teaching us, but it is bad in taking away what God actually recorded in the scriptures as accurate.

We can't assume that it's history in all cases. In general, we should accept things as literal, so long as the text or His creation doesn't tell us otherwise.

It's a slippery slope that can move God as the teachers and the foundation, because His words are accurate, right, and hold no wrong in them; to a state of loose gravel in interpretions, philosophy, and any other field of human understanding.

Hence, YE creationism, and many other doctrines not grounded in the Bible.

Our understanding shouldn't be the foundations to knowing the bible. The bible should be the authority higher then our own understanding so that it can readily still teach us and correct us.

The Bible always requires our understanding. This is why we study it. If it was revelation apart from understanding, a single read would give you everything at once.

 

[Barbarian]

Noah's Ark is there to those that have faith in Gods word..

Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

The "Mountains of Ararat" are not the mountain recently re-named "Ararat." That was done after the fact, because some people wanted that to be where Noah's Ark came to rest. It's real name is However, Ararat (Urartu) was farther south and east, around Lake Van.

Scholars agree the biblical "mountains of Ararat" do not refer to specifically Mt. Ararat. Nevertheless, it has been perceived as the traditional resting place of Noah's Ark since the 11th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Ararat

 

[turnorburn]

The "Mountains of Ararat" are not the mountain recently re-named "Ararat." That was done after the fact, because some people wanted that to be where Noah's Ark came to rest. It's real name is However, Ararat (Urartu) was farther south and east, around Lake Van.

Scholars agree the biblical "mountains of Ararat" do not refer to specifically Mt. Ararat. Nevertheless, it has been perceived as the traditional resting place of Noah's Ark since the 11th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Ararat

Where do you believe it is?

 

[Barbarian]

Where do you believe it is?

Urartu is a pretty big place, and there are lots of mountains. If it's not a parable, the odds are that it was used for lumber to build dwellings for Noah and his descendants.

 

[Jim Parker]

It baffles me how people can profess to be Christian and then also not believe what's written in God's word.

It baffles me how people can read God's word and then come up with such nonsense. Go figure!

 

[Cygnus]

Inside Noah's Ark!! Suppressed Footage!! 2014/15

I saw that video when it first came out. There are several reasons not to believe it.

 

[Cygnus]

Suppose this was an allegory God used to teach a lesson. Would you then call it a lie? It happens that there was a great regional flood in the Middle East at about the right time. So it could very well have been about a specific event that actually happened. Or it might not. It doesn't matter whether or not it was literally true, or used as a parable. To focus on that, is to lose sight of what God is teaching you. Let Him be God and decide.



Seems unlikely. Nor does it matter. An old boat is a very thin reed on which to base your faith. God should be sufficient. Let it be so.

Accept His word as He chose to give it to you, and don't add things that aren't in it.

Barbarian said..."Suppose this was an allegory God used to teach a lesson."

Then Peter would have presented it as an allegory.

1 Peter 3:18For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive in the spirit, 19in which He also went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water.

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Suppose this was an allegory God used to teach a lesson.

Then Peter would have presented it as an allegory.

No, that's wrong, and it conflicts with what God tells us in scripture. For example, Paul mentions that the story of Abraham and Isaac is a parable, and is figurative, but nowhere in Genesis does it say so.

You've assumed something not in scripture. God is not bound by men's assumptions.

 

[Jim Parker]

Then Peter would have presented it as an allegory.

maybe he did

 

[Jacks Bratt]

Barbarian observes:
Suppose this was an allegory God used to teach a lesson.



No, that's wrong, and it conflicts with what God tells us in scripture. For example, Paul mentions that the story of Abraham and Isaac is a parable, and is figurative, but nowhere in Genesis does it say so.

You've assumed something not in scripture. God is not bound by men's assumptions.

So...........now Abraham is not real? The father of Isaac, the father of Jacob, who became Israel? All not real? All a parable?

Now...........I've heard everything...

So, at what point does the parable end? Or is Joseph a parable too. Then the story of Moses, the exodus... just where does parable end and reality begin?

Maybe the whole OT is a big parable........How would we know?