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[_ Old Earth _] Archeological Evidence Confirming Bible

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"The discovery of the Ebla archive in northern Syria in the 1970s has shown the Biblical writings concerning the Patriarchs to be viable. Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine.

The name "Canaan" was in use in Ebla, a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible.

The word "tehom" ("the deep") in Genesis 1:2 was said to be a late word demonstrating the late writing of the creation story. "Tehom" was part of the vocabulary at Ebla, in use some 800 years before Moses. Ancient customs reflected in the stories of the Patriarchs have also been found in clay tablets from Nuzi and Mari."

See the clay tablet here at this link and read the full article from Christian Answers.net.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html

This is a very interesting site in general. This site has over a million visits a day from around the world.

http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html

I thought this site might be of interest to Christians who want another point of view of Science, evolution and Archeology then that of the secular media.

The launch pad...

http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/home.html
 
bible

What do you have when a book has some things that are correct and some things that are not correct?
 
Biblical city uncovered
22/12/2004 07:09 - (SA)

Originally posted by Gary Bee in Current Events.

Jerusalem - Archaeologists have uncovered remains of the Biblical city of Cana where the Bible says Jesus Christ performed his first miracle, turning water into wine, Israel's antiquities authority said on Tuesday.

The stone remains of buildings, household utensils and a Jewish purification bath were discovered during excavations west of the Israeli village of Kfar Kana, eight kilometres from Nazareth, a statement said.

The ancient settlement, known from both Jewish and Christian tradition, existed for 700 years throughout the Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine periods, the statement added.

The Gospel according to John, Chapter 2, verses 1-11 tells of the town of Cana in Galilee where Jesus performed the miracle at a Jewish wedding after the initial supply of wine ran out.

Source: http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology ... 09,00.html
 
bibleberean said:
"The discovery of the Ebla archive in northern Syria in the 1970s has shown the Biblical writings concerning the Patriarchs to be viable. Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine.

The name "Canaan" was in use in Ebla, a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible.

The word "tehom" ("the deep") in Genesis 1:2 was said to be a late word demonstrating the late writing of the creation story. "Tehom" was part of the vocabulary at Ebla, in use some 800 years before Moses. Ancient customs reflected in the stories of the Patriarchs have also been found in clay tablets from Nuzi and Mari."

See the clay tablet here at this link and read the full article from Christian Answers.net.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html

This is a very interesting site in general. This site has over a million visits a day from around the world.

http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html

I thought this site might be of interest to Christians who want another point of view of Science, evolution and Archeology then that of the secular media.

The launch pad...

http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/home.html

How do you know when the clay tablets were written? And all this proves is that this village existed, not any of the story attributed to it.
 
My faith does not depend on the proper interpretation of old clay tablets.

Trust God, not the works of men.
 
bibleberean said:
Biblical city uncovered
22/12/2004 07:09 - (SA)

Originally posted by Gary Bee in Current Events.

Jerusalem - Archaeologists have uncovered remains of the Biblical city of Cana where the Bible says Jesus Christ performed his first miracle, turning water into wine, Israel's antiquities authority said on Tuesday.

The stone remains of buildings, household utensils and a Jewish purification bath were discovered during excavations west of the Israeli village of Kfar Kana, eight kilometres from Nazareth, a statement said.

The ancient settlement, known from both Jewish and Christian tradition, existed for 700 years throughout the Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine periods, the statement added.

The Gospel according to John, Chapter 2, verses 1-11 tells of the town of Cana in Galilee where Jesus performed the miracle at a Jewish wedding after the initial supply of wine ran out.

Source: http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology ... 09,00.html

Hi there!

That site is unavailable... but I will check it later. I had heard early in the fall that they were excavating ancient Cana. The site of ancient Cana was a six-mile trek off the beaten path.... so to excavate there was going to take some added money to build a road before excavations could begin.


Certainly, the excavations will continue Summer 2005.


~serapha~
 
The Barbarian said:
My faith does not depend on the proper interpretation of old clay tablets.

Trust God, not the works of men.

Hi there!


I admire your faith, but since nothing has been found in archaeology that goes contrary to the Bible, then it's always good to see evidences of th biblical accounts.


Biblical archaeologists call the "land" the fifth gospel, as it tells the life of Christ and gives evidences of the historical Jesus.

Archaeology is not "the works of man"..... but the study of artifacts and relics from a previous society, in this case from second-temple period Israel.

It's always a plus to see evidences of the Bible.


~serapha~
 
serapha said:
The Barbarian said:
My faith does not depend on the proper interpretation of old clay tablets.

Trust God, not the works of men.

Hi there!


I admire your faith, but since nothing has been found in archaeology that goes contrary to the Bible, then it's always good to see evidences of th biblical accounts.


Biblical archaeologists call the "land" the fifth gospel, as it tells the life of Christ and gives evidences of the historical Jesus.

Archaeology is not "the works of man"..... but the study of artifacts and relics from a previous society, in this case from second-temple period Israel.

It's always a plus to see evidences of the Bible.


~serapha~

It's always a plust to see evidences of the Iliad. Praise Zeus!
 
serapha said:
The Barbarian said:
My faith does not depend on the proper interpretation of old clay tablets.

Trust God, not the works of men.

Hi there!


I admire your faith, but since nothing has been found in archaeology that goes contrary to the Bible, then it's always good to see evidences of th biblical accounts.


Biblical archaeologists call the "land" the fifth gospel, as it tells the life of Christ and gives evidences of the historical Jesus.

Archaeology is not "the works of man"..... but the study of artifacts and relics from a previous society, in this case from second-temple period Israel.

It's always a plus to see evidences of the Bible.


~serapha~

except for fossils that helped prove evolution :/
 
Asimov said:
serapha said:
The Barbarian said:
My faith does not depend on the proper interpretation of old clay tablets.

Trust God, not the works of men.

Hi there!


I admire your faith, but since nothing has been found in archaeology that goes contrary to the Bible, then it's always good to see evidences of th biblical accounts.


Biblical archaeologists call the "land" the fifth gospel, as it tells the life of Christ and gives evidences of the historical Jesus.

Archaeology is not "the works of man"..... but the study of artifacts and relics from a previous society, in this case from second-temple period Israel.

It's always a plus to see evidences of the Bible.


~serapha~

It's always a plust to see evidences of the Iliad. Praise Zeus!

Hi there!

:D


When you get the time, please cite the archaeological artifacts and locate the archaeological relics for either Iliad or Zeus.


And.... "source please" ... not just opinion.

And one more point, please, cite how the archaeological artifacts and relics which you are about to present disprove the Historical Jesus.

in other words, let's address the issues rather than throw in red herrings.


~thanks~
 
proof

serapha said:
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And one more point, please, cite how the archaeological artifacts and relics which you are about to present disprove the Historical Jesus.

~thanks~
Not using your bible can you show evidence of the historical reality of Jesus? Any evidence you use cannot be referenced to the bible in any way.
 
Not using your bible can you show evidence of the historical reality of Jesus? Any evidence you use cannot be referenced to the bible in any way.



Hi there!

:D





Well, being specific... historical evidences are the written word, aka manuscripts, letters, ostraca, codexes, engravings, inscriptions, etc. Archaeological evidences are the relics and artifacts that relate to a previous society.

I have found that the best evidences of Jesus of Nazareth being the Christ, the Son of God, and also being the Lord God Almighty are the inscriptions at the location known as Peter's house in Capernaum. The plaster in the walls where the inscriptions were found can be dated by the chips of pottery that were used in the plaster, making them some of the oldest archaeological evidences.


A second, excellent location of inscriptions that are verifiable are the inscriptions under the Vatican on the "red wall" of Peter's tomb. Now, I am not an advocate that the bones found in the repository were those of the apostle Peter, but I don't question that the tomb (location) did belong to Peter... The inscriptions are a good source of historical evidence for Jesus as the Lord God Almighty.


And, maybe the biggest evidence, by historical standard is the sign of the cross... and making the sign of the cross as an exchange between believers... and, of course, the written records of such activities (historical evidences), the mosaics containing the cross (archaeological evidence), the early reliefs (archaeological evidence), the early jewelry that is found in Christian tombs (archaeological evidences). (BTW Jews aren't buried with jewelry)


The eyewitness accounts of Peter and Paul. Both Peter and Paul have been proven to have existed by historical evidences and archaeological evidences outside the Bible...,. look for Peter at the Vatican.... look for Paul in Cyprus archaeology.


I would add there are ossuary boxes which date to a very limited time frame of first century jerusalem which carry the symbol of the cross for Christians being buried in the boxes. There are probably 100+ of such ossuary boxes with crosses dating from 35 AD to 70 AD.

That kind of dispells the "myth" part of Jesus, don't you think?



http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/procon977.html




"In 1945, many more found with crosses, 2 inscribed with name of Jesus, and one had a coin minted in A.D. 41 for King Herod Agrippa I, indicating it was sealed by A.D. 42."

"The text reads: "After the name 'Jesus,' the exclamation or dedication read "y'ho," meaning "Jehova" or "the Lord". The full inscription on the ossuary reads, "[To] Jesus, "the Lord," In light of the A.D.42 date for the sealing of this tomb, the presence of this dedication to "Jesus, the Lord" attests to the Christians' acceptance of Jesus Christ as God within ten years of the death and resurrection of Jesus in A.D."

"One of the first-century coffins found on the Mt. of Olives contains a commemorative dedication to: "Yeshua" = "Jesus"....


It's necessary to remember that ossuary boxes were only used for a limited time and in a limited area. The stonemasons who were building the Second Temple were also using their talents to make ossuary boxes for funerals.



I like the sealed ossuary box from 41-42 AD... that had some appeal to it and it dated the box... that means that within 8-10 years of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that there were believers who were alive when Jesus walked this earth... and that they considered the cross to be related to Christ.


And the sign of the cross began in the first century.




And... then there are the "old standbys"



http://www.jewsforjesus.org/library/iss ... noreal.htm



"...there is no real evidence that jesus ever existed"


We disagree with Jane Kathryn Conrad's letter in view of the following: (Adapted from Appendix 6 of the book, Y'shua, the Jewish Way to Say Jesus.)

Josephus Jewish Antiquities (c.93 C.E.)
(later interpolations in brackets)

"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man [if it be lawful to call him a man], for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. [He was the Messiah.] And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him [for he appeared to them alive again at the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him]. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this date.1

Pliny the Younger Letter to Trajan (c.111-117 C.E.)

"...they maintained that their fault or error amounted to nothing more than this: they were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before sunrise and reciting an antiphonal hymn to Christ as God, and binding themselves with an oath not to commit any crime, but to abstain from all acts of theft, robbery and adultery, from breaches of faith, from repudiating a trust when called upon to honour it."2

Tacitus Roman Annals (c.115-117 C.E.)

"They got their name from Christ, who was executed by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius. That checked the pernicious superstition for a short time, but it broke out afresh--not only in Judea, where the plague first arose, but in Rome itself, where all the horrible and shameful things in the world collect and find a home."3

Sanhedrin 43a (200-500 C.E.)

"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu4 was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of Passover!"5

Endnotes
1Antiquities xviii. 33 (early second century) from F.F. Bruce, Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974), 37.
2Pliny, Epistles x.96, from Bruce, p.26.
3Tacitus, Annals xv, 44, from Bruce, p. 22.
4Talmudic designation of Jesus.
5"Sanhedrin," vol 3 of Nezikin, Babylonian Talmud, edited by Isidore Epstein, reprint (London: Soncino, 1938), 281.
 
For a picture of first-century ossuary boxes with the symbol of the cross, go here:

Early christians didn't use the cross, not until late in the 2nd century at least.

They used a Ichthys.


180px-Ichthus.png
 
ThinkerMan said:
For a picture of first-century ossuary boxes with the symbol of the cross, go here:

Early christians didn't use the cross, not until late in the 2nd century at least.

They used a Ichthys.


180px-Ichthus.png

Which, interestingly enough, was taken from another mythology. It was associated with Venus, and represented her genitalia.
 
ThinkerMan said:
For a picture of first-century ossuary boxes with the symbol of the cross, go here:

Early christians didn't use the cross, not until late in the 2nd century at least.

They used a Ichthys.


180px-Ichthus.png

Hi there!


and your source is?


~serapha~
 
evidence

Serapha
All you have is evidence for Christianity. There are shrines devoted to Zeus does this mean he is real?
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"He found several osssuaries with the sign of the cross, Greek inscriptions, and a coin minted in A.D. 41 for King Herod Agrippa I. This would seem to indicate that the tomb was sealed no later than at least A.D. 42. " Quote from Seraphas post
Why would you think that the tomb was sealed no later than A.D. 42 if the coin was minted A.D.41 What this means is that the tomb was sealed no EARLIER than A.D 41. It could have been sealed one or two hundred years later.
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As to the rest of your post you use those who weren't there and/or could be considered biased in their view. You have no first hand evidence of the existance of Jesus. Outside of the bible no one wrote about Jesus and Jesus himself wrote nothing down. Here is the list of historians that lived within Christs supposed liftetime and wrote nothing down.
Apollonius Persius
Appian Petronius
Arrian Phaedrus
Aulus Gellius Philo-Judaeus
Columella Phlegon
Damis Pliny the Elder
Dio Chrysostom Pliny the Younger
Dion Pruseus Plutarch
Epictetus Pompon Mela
Favorinus Ptolemy
Florus Lucius Quintilian
Hermogones Quintius Curtius
Josephus Seneca
Justus of Tiberius Silius Italicus
Juvenal Statius
Lucanus Suetonius
Lucian Tacitus
Lysias Theon of Smyran
Martial Valerius Flaccus
Paterculus Valerius Maximus
Pausanias

Yet, aside from two FORGED passages in the works of a Jewish writer mentioned above, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there isn't ANY mention of Jesus Christ. At all. Consider:
"Philo was born before the beginning of the Christian era, and lived until long after the reputed death of Christ. He wrote an account of the Jews covering the entire time that Christ is said to have existed on earth. He was living in or near Jerusalem when Christ's miraculous birth and the Herodian massacred occurred. He was there when Christ made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem. He was there when the crucifixion with its attendant earthquake, supernatural darkness, and resurrection of the dead took place -- when Christ himself rose from the dead, and in the rpesence of many witnesses ascended into heaven.
"These marvelous events which must have filled the world with amazement, had they really occurred, we unknown to him. It was Philo who developed the doctrine of the Logos, or Word, and although this Word incarnate dwelt in that very land and in the presence of multitudes revealed himself and demonstrated his divine powers, Philo saw it not.

"Justus of Tiberius was a native of Christ's own country, Galilee. He wrote a history covering this time of Christ's reputed existence. This work has perished, but Photius, a Christian scholar and critic of the ninth century, who was acquainted with it, says: 'He (Justus) makes not the least mention of the appearances of Christ, of what things happened to him, or of the wonderful works that he did' (Photius' Bibliotheca, code 33).

"Josephus: Late in the first century, Josephus wrote his celebrated work, _The_Antiquities_of_the_Jews_, giving a history of his race from the earliest ages down to his own time. Modern versions of this work contain the following passage:

"'Now there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works; a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was (the) Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day. (Book XVIII, Chapter iii, Section 3).'
"For nearly sixteen hundred years Christians have been citing this passage as a testimonial, not merely to the historical existence, but to the divine character of Jesus Christ. And yet a ranker forgery was never penned.
"Its language is Christian. Every line proclaims it the work of a Christian writer. 'If it be lawful to call him a man.' 'He was the Christ.' 'He appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him.'

"These are the words of a Christian, a believer in the divinity of Christ. Josephus was a Jew, a devout believer in the Jewish faith -- the last man in the world to acknowledge the divinity of Christ. The inconsistency of this evidence was early recognized, and Abrose, writing in the generation succeeding its first appearance (360 A.D.), offers the following explanation, which only a theologican could frame:

"'If the Jews do not believe us, let them, at least, believe their own writers. Josephus, whom they esteem a great man, hath said this, and yet hath he spoken truth after such a manner; and so far was his mind wandered from the right way, that even he was not a believer as to what he himself said; but thus he spake, in order to deliver historical truth, because he thought it not lawful for him to deceive, while yet he was no believer, because of the hardness of his heart, and his perfidious intentiion.'
"Its brevity disproves its authenticity. Josephus' work is voluminous and exhaustive. It comprises twenty books. Whole pages are devoted to petty robbers and obscure seditious leaders. Nearly fourty chapters are devoted to the life of a single king. Yet this remarkable being, the greatest product of his race, a being of whom the prophets foretold ten thousand wonderful things, a being greater than any earthly king, is dismissed with a dozen lines."
-- The Christ, by John E. Remsburg, reprinted by Prometheus Books, New York, 1994, pages 171-3.



http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/jesus5.htm
 
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