Are all the Gods the same person

[christianbear]

:angel: All religion has a higher power, that controls the earth and the after life. They are just named differently. If there is only one higher power (God) then that means that all the religion in the world worship God. So why is it that some christians think that the only religion to get in to heaven is christianity? If you belive in God that should get you in to heaven but He just maybe named differently in other parts of the world. :angel:

 

[dancing queen]

Jesus said the only way to the Father is through Him. Jesus is the only way to God and heaven.

its not believing in God that matters. Satan believes in God.

none of us deserve to be in heaven, or have the right to be there, we can only get there through Jesus as that washes us clean of sin so we can enter heaven

 

[christianbear]

:angel: its not believing in God that matters.
Yes but Jesus is also God. Because he is God in the flush. So yes you need to know that God came in the flush, but what about the jews who belive that he has not come in the flush are still waiting? Maybe Mommand is God in the flush, we as christians just call him Jesus. so you need to know Jesus as God, but you can by pass him, because no mater how you look at Jesus is God.:angel:

 

[Jon-Marc]

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes onto the Father but by me." Any religion that denies that fact is NOT of God.

 

[JM]

:angel: its not believing in God that matters.

We are saved by Grace thru faith [believing in God] and this is the work of God.

Yes but Jesus is also God. Because he is God in the flush. So yes you need to know that God came in the flush, but what about the jews who belive that he has not come in the flush are still waiting?

They are lost and hell bound. It's not until you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ that you are saved.

Maybe Mommand is God in the flush,

According to Islam Muhammad never made such a claim, lets deal with facts, not "maybe's" or "what if's."

we as christians just call him Jesus. so you need to know Jesus as God, but you can by pass him, because no mater how you look at Jesus is God.:angel:

The free gift of eternal life is through Jesus Christ, not Muhammad, or Buddha or any other name which is under heaven.

Romans 6:23 "...But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Romans 10:13 "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved!"

Acts 4:12 There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!"

 

[christianbear]

:angel:

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes onto the Father but by me." Any religion that denies that fact is NOT of God.

What about the Jews? They don't belive in Jesus, but they are the chosing people. So does that mean that the bible is wrong? :angel:

 

[JM]

see Acts 2, 9 and 28. The New Covenant was opened to the gentiles, hence, gentiles are being called...chosen in Christ.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

:angel:
What about the Jews? They don't belive in Jesus, but they are the chosing people. So does that mean that the bible is wrong? :angel:

The Jews need to be saved in the same way that everyone else does.

They were chosen to tell the world about God.

No, the Bible is not wrong. It needs to be studied to be understood. And the study of Scripture needs to be under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Packrat]

All religion has a higher power, that controls the earth and the after life. They are just named differently. If there is only one higher power (God) then that means that all the religion in the world worship God. So why is it that some christians think that the only religion to get in to heaven is christianity? If you belive in God that should get you in to heaven but He just maybe named differently in other parts of the world.

The easiest way to go about this is to remember that God, when he told others not to worship false gods, was differentiating between him and other gods. Another easy example would be to remember that people can make up gods off the top of their heads. If you believed that every god out there was a representation of the true God, you'd have to believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is God: http://www.venganza.org/

You can use common sense on some of these. For example, I think that it was the Egyptians and the Romans who had 'sewer gods.' Were they wrong? I think so, but the world won't know for sure until the time is right. I'd say that the world can still be pretty dang sure that those gods are false, though. And if one god appears to be 99% false based on common sense and logic as opposed to another god that appears to be 98% false, then that god that is 98% false should be more readily believed in.

The philosophy that you're thinking of might be condoned by some Wiccans, but I consider it a false doctrine due to the underlined portion of my argument.

 

[HeWillReturn]

Studying the Bible

The Jews need to be saved in the same way that everyone else does.

They were chosen to tell the world about God.

No, the Bible is not wrong. It needs to be studied to be understood. And the study of Scripture needs to be under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

When has meticulous studying helped to understand the bible and the world? Look at the history, Based on the bible Christians believed unquestioning :bday: that world is flat, that the earth is the center of the universe, that everything revolved around the earth, that directly above them is heaven and under the earth (which is flat is hell), that evolution of no form exists... :bday: The great majority of testable interpretations of the bible was proved wrong. Only looking hindsight (20-20) were people able to find interpretations of the bible (and every other major religion in the world) to fit the facts.

You can say that the bible actually says :roll: the world is round and that the earth is not the center of the universe, and that evolution can occur, :roll: but this does not in any way justifiy Christianity. People believed the opposite argument for hundreds of years. Instead it shows that those passages were ambigious (about that subject) so it obviously wasn't a conclusion that God was trying to tell us so STOP PUTTING WORDS IN GODS' MOUTH. We cannot justify our religion by saying that the bible tells us that an known scientific fact is right because yesterday the opposite conclusion was made. Don't read between the lines. If God is not clear than it wasn't important enough for us to know. I promise you, God is not ambigious about anything that he wants for us to understand. Can anyone back me up here?

I can just see billions of souls asking God why the bible lied to them that the world was flat "I didn't say that!" And then to the billions of souls that ask why he told them that the earth was round he says "Well, I didn't say that either" ;-) People waste too much of their lives interpreting the bible than living based on what it clearly says. What does God want? There are all kinds of ideas that most Christians just assume to be true. I found a great website that shows some interesting questions about some things we assume to be true but are not necessarily.
http://www.knowtherealgod.com
What's fun with this website, is that it doesn't matter if these tough questions are true. What matters is if you are putting false faith in something that doesn't matter you need to know.

(And please no evolution doesn't happen argument, if you think divinely influenced evolution is impossible then you need to at least read one good argument for evolution. If there is no evolution God sure tricked me!)

 

[cyberjosh]

When has meticulous studying helped to understand the bible and the world? Look at the history, Based on the bible Christians believed unquestioning that world is flat, that the earth is the center of the universe, that everything revolved around the earth, that directly above them is heaven and under the earth (which is flat is hell), that evolution of no form exists...

Actually to correct you on this little detail, the Bible has done more for education of the nations than almost any other book. What you speak of was during the Dark (not so-named because the sun didn't shine) and Middle ages when the Catholic Church domineered and monopolized the reading of the Bible in Latin, of which only select few could read, and so the public was only fed what the Catholic Church determined in its agenda to give to them - with their specific interpretation. It was people like John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, and Martin Luther which helped (and dared to) bring the Bible into the language of the common people so they could be educated to God's word.

As for today 3rd world countries that were impoverished and ill-educated have become educated soley through the reading of the Bible. The spread of the Gospel and handing out of bibles in India has largely stopped the ancient Indian (Hindu) tradition of Suttee, or burning the wife alive when her husband dies. It has dispelled many other superstitions and bad practices, and - atleast for the KJV - has a very high standard of grammar and etiquette, and some peoples have learned English from just the Bible and not an English text book. But without an accompanying move from God the Bible cannot enact its full power on those who read it.

You can say that the bible actually says the world is round

Well actually....

"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. " (Isaiah 40:22)

"When He established the heavens, I was there,
When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep" (Proverbs 8:27)

 

[caseypayne1980]

Allah is the same God we know. Its just that muslims went off the path of correctness in believing Ishmaul was the son to have the Messiah. When the bible cleary states it was Isaac family line. Personally, I believe Islam is full of lots of false prophets that make ideas up. Or maybe that devil has a hold on them and they don't even know it. Allah means "the God" and they believed in the same one that Abraham believed in. Buddah is just junk right there with pagen junk. Muslims and Jews are looking for a Messiah still and yet a no show because it was Jesus which they deny. Just be thankful you know who is the Messiah. And if you see a Jew or Muslim explain it to them even if it puts you in harms way.

 

[waitinontheLamb]

Allah is the same God we know. Its just that muslims went off the path of correctness in believing Ishmaul was the son to have the Messiah. When the bible cleary states it was Isaac family line. Personally, I believe Islam is full of lots of false prophets that make ideas up. Or maybe that devil has a hold on them and they don't even know it. Allah means "the God" and they believed in the same one that Abraham believed in. Buddah is just junk right there with pagen junk. Muslims and Jews are looking for a Messiah still and yet a no show because it was Jesus which they deny. Just be thankful you know who is the Messiah. And if you see a Jew or Muslim explain it to them even if it puts you in harms way.

No, allah is a false moon god and has NOTHING to do with the great I AM. They are polar opposites.

 

[EesaAbdullah]

No, allah is a false moon god and has NOTHING to do with the great I AM. They are polar opposites.

I cant beg to disagree, from my understanding Allah was used to refer to the God of the Universe even before Muhammad's mission, in judaism there is a similar word 'Elah' a word which according to the Gospel is similar to what Jesus used on the Cross, also in Aramaic, the language of Jesus we see that God is Alaha, also in languages similar to those, such as a language I know from my familie's background, who happen to be Christian they use the word Amlah, for the God the Father alone.

These words all seem similar, I would have thought the forum moderaters would be more demanding on asking for evidences when people make such statements about Moon Gods and so forth.

 

[Rick W]

I would have thought the forum moderaters would be more demanding on asking for evidences when people make such statements about Moon Gods and so forth.

I suppose if I went to a muslim forum to debate christianity I may ask the same question. But I don't visit muslim sites therefore I don't know how a muslim forum moderator would react or what he/she would demand.


If you believe the two are the same God then why don't you believe His testimony, His prophecy, of His Son, Jesus Christ?

 

[EesaAbdullah]

Hi PotLuck

I suppose if I went to a muslim forum to debate christianity I may ask the same question. But I don't visit muslim sites therefore I don't know how a muslim forum moderator would react or what he/she would demand.

Well there are always different callibre of people in what ever faiths. It's not a neccesary Christian/Muslim thing, more than it is an individual forum perception. I just thought that this seeming to be a very organised forum would uphold it that's all.

If you believe the two are the same God then why don't you believe His testimony, His prophecy, of His Son, Jesus Christ?

I believe the God that Moses, Jesus and Muhammad is One God, I just don't feel personally that there is reliability in some of the books which claim to be speaking on His behalf.

 

[Rick W]

While the "individual forum perception" you would uphold may differ this moderator may have an "individual forum member perception" different from yours also.
And so it goes.

Anyway,

I believe the God that Moses, Jesus and Muhammad is One God, I just don't feel personally that there is reliability in some of the books which claim to be speaking on His behalf.

You're not the first to question the reliability of the bible. And you'll certainly not be the last.

The gospel is that Christ died, was buried and rose again. He had no final resting place, no burial site where His bones can be recovered because simply put, He's not there anymore. He conquered Death, the power of sin. For those who hold faith in Christ is the gift of eternal life which is offered to all if they so desire to receive it.

It's not really a question of "reliability in some of the books which claim to be speaking on His behalf" but the faithfulness and reliability of Jesus Christ. Therein lies our faith.

 

[EesaAbdullah]

You're not the first to question the reliability of the bible. And you'll certainly not be the last.

The gospel is that Christ died, was buried and rose again. He had no final resting place, no burial site where His bones can be recovered because simply put, He's not there anymore. He conquered Death, the power of sin. For those who hold faith in Christ is the gift of eternal life which is offered to all if they so desire to receive it.

It's not really a question of "reliability in some of the books which claim to be speaking on His behalf" but the faithfulness and reliability of Jesus Christ. Therein lies our faith.

Well I guess that's the difference or one of the differences between the two of us, mainly, where we choose to place our faith :wink:

 

[Rick W]

Well I guess that's the difference or one of the differences between the two of us, mainly, where we choose to place our faith :wink:

True.
But through Christ I'm free from "The Law". I'm not obligated to adhere to any rules, ordinances or regulations to become worthy to go to God. God came to me instead. That's past tense. Christ died, was buried and rose again. That too is past tense. Therefore I'm saved already, today, right this moment. No longer do I need to earn my way to the Father. It's already been done, the price has already been paid and today I'm free from a yoke I could not bear... to earn my way to God.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

If I love my neighbor I'll not steal from him, take his wife, bear false witness against him or cheat him in any way.

I'm free for Jesus is the truth. No longer do I have to feel if what I do is good enough or if I'm worthy yet or not. Therein lies freedom in Christ. It no longer matters if I'm worthy... He is. No longer must I place my faith in me... in what I do or don't do.

Yep, you're right. That's one of the differences between the two of us.

 

[EesaAbdullah]

I'm free for Jesus is the truth. No longer do I have to feel if what I do is good enough or if I'm worthy yet or not. Therein lies freedom in Christ. It no longer matters if I'm worthy... He is. No longer must I place my faith in me... in what I do or don't do.

Yep, you're right. That's one of the differences between the two of us.

If you mean to tell me that you placing your faith in God is different and that I place faith in myself then your mistaken, no Muslim would ever place faith of salvation upon himself.

What I said the difference was, is that, you chose to place your faith in the accounts of the Bible, you read the bible and believe that it is the path to God, I disgaree, with that, thats where our faith and choice of foundation for faith differs.

Eesa