Are four beasts in Daniel talking about China?

[idono]

No China. No Russia.

‘The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth...

There will only be one kingdom over the whole earth.

... Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth.

There are no "nations" mentioned.

Nations as we know it, as in "National Sovereignty", or Independent Nations, with leaders who are chosen through elections, will have disappeared.

There will only be kings who will rule "regions" of this kingdom, which is over the whole earth.

23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings. Daniel 7:23-24

Then how would you interpret Revelation 12:3-4? China usually to be described as a red dragon. Chinese people describe themselves as the successors of the dragon.
And one third of the stars, stars usually use to describe people in the Bible, which is one third of the world's populations.

 

[JLB]

Then how would you interpret Revelation 12:3-4? China usually to be described as a red dragon. Chinese people describe themselves as the successors of the dragon.
And one third of the stars, stars usually use to describe people in the Bible, which is one third of the world's populations.

The Red Dragon with ten Horns represents Satan; his spiritual influence and power ruling this kingdom, through these 10 kings.

7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:7-9




JLB

 

[ezrider]

Firstly, I didn't say that the little horn is China. I only said that China and Russia are two of the ten nations (ten horns).

Secondly, according to Daniel 2:34 Lord Jesus will smash these ten nations not only subdue three kings as Daniel 7:24 said.

Thirdly, Daniel 7:25 mentioned that this little horn will speak against the Most High and oppress the saints. Do you confirm this little horn refers to Jesus?

Why do you ask again if I confirm this little horn refers to Jesus? I already stated such, and have already confirmed that the little horn of Dan 7:8 refers to none other than Jesus Christ. If I confirmed it for you one more time, would you actually begin to consider it? Did you not even read the scriptures I posted for you to consider?

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Maybe I will take this to the Bible study thread instead.


The little horn of Dan 7:8 is Jesus Christ.

 

[daninthelionsden]

I add on another reason here, according to Revelation 12:4 this red dragon "swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth."

Stars usually use to represent the people. For example, God said to Abraham: "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore."

So, a third of the stars likely to represent the population of these ten nations are equal to a third of the world population. Now the world population is about 7.4 billion so, a third is about 2.5 billion.

Of course, now it is yet to fulfill and the population of the world is going on increasing, but I am very sure that China is one of the ten nations.

Very interesting you said 2.5 billion. This is the number of people I've heard that the earth can support without the artificial production of food by automation/petroleum. We are over populated by 5 billion.

 

[daninthelionsden]

I do think China could, indeed, play a big role in the coming events of the end times. China is preparing to make a major push into the Pacific. All of the Pacific nations can see the writing on the wall. All of the navies in the region have been and continue to build numerous amphibious ships. New Zealand has even built its first large amphibious ship with Australia building 2 large amphibious ships to add to their fleet. The Phillipines has already "converted" to the Chinese and others will follow. If America were taken out of the way the new Chinese Empire would include South Korea, Japan ,Taiwan and several others.

 

[ezrider]

Thirdly, Daniel 7:25 mentioned that this little horn will speak against the Most High and oppress the saints. Do you confirm this little horn refers to Jesus?

I will not continue discussing the little horn here with you. I'm finding my posts edited now, and truthfully I don't think you are interested in learning about the horn of our salvation. So with that, I will say no more, other than it might do you a bit of good to actually look up the words in a Strong's Concordance. Because when the scripture says the little horn will speak AGAINST the Most High, you would find the Hebrew word translated as AGAINST does not mean in Opposition To, but rather the word would be translated better as he will speak CONCERNING the Most High. But you are free to believe what you want.

 

[idono]

Very interesting you said 2.5 billion. This is the number of people I've heard that the earth can support without the artificial production of food by automation/petroleum. We are over populated by 5 billion.

This figure may vary due to the tribulations.

 

[idono]

‘The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth...

There will only be one kingdom over the whole earth.

... Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth.

There are no "nations" mentioned.

Nations as we know it, as in "National Sovereignty", or Independent Nations, with leaders who are chosen through elections, will have disappeared.

There will only be kings who will rule "regions" of this kingdom, which is over the whole earth.

23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings. Daniel 7:23-24



Ten Unions / Kingdoms / Horns
1. African Union


1942:Union of African Republics

Now:African Union

Description: The African Union (abbreviated AU in English, and UA in its other official languages) is an intergovernmental organization consisting of 53 African states. Established on 9 July 2002, the AU was formed as a successor to the Organization of African Unity (OAU).

Established: 07 / 09 / 2002

Flag:

2. South American Union


1942: United States of South America

Now: South American Union

Description:The Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) is an intergovernmental union integrating two existing customs unions: Mercosur and the Andean Community, as part of a continuing process of South American integration. It is modelled on the European Union.

Established: 12 / 08 / 2004

Flag:

Members:

1. 
   
   
   • Argentina
   • Bolivia
   • Brazil
   • Chile
   • Colombia
   • Ecuador
   • Guyana
   • Paraguay
   • Peru
   • Suriname
   • Uruguay
   • Venezuela

3. European Union


1942: United States of Europe

Now: European Union

Description:The European Union (EU) is an economic and political union of 27 member states, located primarily in Europe. It was established by the Treaty of Maastricht on 1 November 1993, upon the foundations of the pre-existing European Economic Community

Established: 11 / 01 / 1993

Flag:

Members:

1. 
   
   
   • Austria
   • Belgium
   • Bulgaria
   • Cyprus
   • Czech Republic
   • Denmark
   • Estonia
   • Finland
   • France
   • Germany
   • Greece
   • Hungary
   • Ireland
   • Italy
   • Latvia
   • Lithuania
   • Luxembourg
   • Malta
   • Netherlands
   • Poland
   • Portugal
   • Romania
   • Slovakia
   • Slovenia
   • Spain
   • Sweden
   • United Kingdom

4. North American Union


1942: United States of America

Now: North America Union between 2009-2010

Description: The North American Currency Union is a theoretical economic and monetary union of the three principal countries of North America, namely Canada, the United States, and Mexico

Established: Theorized, between 2009-2010

Theorized Flag:

Members:

1. 
   
   
   • United States of America
   • Canada
   • Mexico

5. Mediterranean Union

1942: No such comparison

Now: Mediterranean Union

Description:The Union for the Mediterranean, previously known as the "Mediterranean Union" is a community initiated on 13 July 2008 by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, as a development of the Euromediterranean Partnership. The act unites all EU members with several non-EU countries that border the Mediterranean Sea. The headquarters of the Union for the Mediterranean are located in Barcelona, Spain.

Established: 07 /13 / 2008

Flag:

Members:

1. 
   
   
   • Albania
   • Algeria
   • Austria
   • Belgium
   • Bosnia and Herzegovina
   • Bulgaria
   • Croatia
   • Cyprus
   • Czech Republic
   • Denmark
   • Egypt
   • Estonia
   • Finland
   • France
   • Germany
   • Greece
   • Hungary
   • Ireland
   • Israel
   • Italy
   • Jordan
   • Latvia
   • Lebanon
   • Lithuania
   • Luxembourg
   • Malta
   • Mauritania
   • Monaco
   • Montenegro
   • Morocco
   • Netherlands
   • Palestinian Authority
   • Poland
   • Portugal
   • Romania
   • Slovakia
   • Slovenia
   • Spain
   • Sweden
   • Syria
   • Tunisia
   • Turkey
   • United Kingdom

Continued...

Just wait and see whether

1. Before Xi Jinping leaving office, Taiwan will unify with China.

2. The next Chinese president after Xi Jingping, unite China with another nine countries.

If these two conditions fulfilled, which means my interpretations are correct.

 

[JLB]

Just wait and see whether

1. Before Xi Jinping leaving office, Taiwan will unify with China.

2. The next Chinese president after Xi Jingping, unite China with another nine countries.

If these two conditions fulfilled, which means my interpretations are correct.

How do you arrive at such a conclusion, after having seen what the scriptures teach us?

The Red Dragon with ten Horns represents Satan; his spiritual influence and power ruling this kingdom, through these 10 kings.

7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:7-9



JLB

 

[idono]

How do you arrive at such a conclusion, after having seen what the scriptures teach us?

The Red Dragon with ten Horns represents Satan; his spiritual influence and power ruling this kingdom, through these 10 kings.

7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:7-9



JLB

My conclusions are based on Daniel chapter 7, which I had mentioned earlier that four beasts are four Chinese presidents, and the fourth will unite China with another nine nations.

Your opinions are four beasts are four kingdoms that will rule the world, and the fourth is ten unions that combine into one kingdom.

I didn’t reject your opinion; your conclusions are likely to happen as well, but if my predictions fulfilled, which means my interpretations are correct.