Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

[Gnostic]

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Regards
DL

 

[Who Me]

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

If you mean no insult why mention lying?

The truth what is it?

Part of the truth is that we do not have freewill, as slaves to sin and saten we cannot freely choose God.

God has to forcible free us fron our servitude to satan in order that we might start a servitude to God.

Freewill is an illusion, you in your bondage to a false teaching cannot choose to follow Jesus without first being freed from the same delusion that Adam fell to, namely that you will be like God.
That was a lie of satan, one you have also willingly believed.

 

[Vaccine]

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Regards
DL

The doctrine of election exists.
Oh no! Either the whole bible and Christianity is a lie or faith is a lie!! It's all lies!

Since you don't take Christians seriously, nobody here should take you seriously.

Says the free will that God offers is kind of a joke..
Posts video saying Christians believe crazy sh*t..
Then says "I mean no insult here".

 

[JLB]

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Regards
DL

The world of unbelievers are loved by God, so much so, He sent His only begotten Son into the world, that WHOEVER believes in Him has eternal life.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

God designed for unbelievers to become believers because it's His will not any should perish.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9



JLB

 

[Gnostic]

If you mean no insult why mention lying?

The truth what is it?

Part of the truth is that we do not have freewill, as slaves to sin and saten we cannot freely choose God.

God has to forcible free us fron our servitude to satan in order that we might start a servitude to God.

Freewill is an illusion, you in your bondage to a false teaching cannot choose to follow Jesus without first being freed from the same delusion that Adam fell to, namely that you will be like God.
That was a lie of satan, one you have also willingly believed.

Wow.

You do not believe the words of God!!!

Gen 3 had God saying that they have become like Gods.

Why did God create you a slave to another?

This I gotta hear justified.

Regards
DL

 

[hawkman]

Thank you for your question Gnostic .

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Your question made me think about just how very many times God has confirmed his love for me . I had a good cry .

 

[Gnostic]

For God so loved the world

That he uses genocide now and again and had his son needlessly murdered.

I like preaching like you do, except I use truth.

What are your thoughts on what Jesus taught on who dies for sins?
the following.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic]

Thank you for your question Gnostic .


Your question made me think about just how very many times God has confirmed his love for me . I had a good cry .

Good for you. You are loved by a satanic God.

How do you justify returning love to a genocidal, homophobic and misogynous God?

Regards
DL

 

[JLB]

That he uses genocide now and again and had his son needlessly murdered.

His son was murdered by religious leaders, who were inspired by Satan.

Jesus because the final sacrifice for sins.


JLB

 

[Gnostic]

His son was murdered by religious leaders, who were inspired by Satan.

Jesus because the final sacrifice for sins.


JLB

Who controls Satan if not God?

Whay is punishing the innocent instead of the guilty justice to you?

Do you punish your innocent child while giving the guilty one a pass?

What do you think of what Jesus taught on this issue?

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Regards
DL

 

[hawkman]

Good for you. You are loved by a satanic God.

Have you ever seen a lightning bolt strike ? You may not see the next one .

How do you justify returning love to a genocidal, homophobic and misogynous God?

Because he loved me first whether or not I loved Him .

 

[Gnostic]

Have you ever seen a lightning bolt strike ? You may not see the next one .

Because he loved me first whether or not I loved Him .

So you do not care about your morals.

Loved by Satan and you do not care. Ok.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic]

His son was murdered by religious leaders, who were inspired by Satan.

Jesus because the final sacrifice for sins.


JLB

Something Jesus preached against, but you do not care.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Speak to your poor moral position or go away.

Regards
DL

 

[hawkman]

So you do not care about your morals.

Loved by Satan and you do not care. Ok.

Regards
DL

You are very confused . When I talk about God loving me I am talking about the God of Abraham, the I AM .
Am I loved by satan ? That is doubtful because I have had some unpleasant visitations , no harm done but I knew who was calling .

 

[Gnostic]

You are very confused . When I talk about God loving me I am talking about the God of Abraham, the I AM .
Am I loved by satan ? That is doubtful because I have had some unpleasant visitations , no harm done but I knew who was calling .

Visitations explains a lot.

See ya.

Regards
DL

 

[hawkman]

Visitations explains a lot.

See ya.

Regards
DL

It is way above your paygrade .

 

[Gnostic]

It is way above your paygrade .

Keep your money.

I will keep my mind and morals.

Regards
DL

 

[Who Me]

Wow.

You do not believe the words of God!!!

Gen 3 had God saying that they have become like Gods.

Why did God create you a slave to another?

This I gotta hear justified.

Regards
DL

Have you never read Romans 6: 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

 

[Gnostic]

Have you never read Romans 6: 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

Your God likes slaves.

What does that have to do with judging?

Are you recognizing that your genocidal god has to answer to our sense of good and evil?

Or should we look to the Christian God, or Hitler and his ilk for good guidance?

Regards
DL

 

[Free]

Are you recognizing that your genocidal god has to answer to our sense of good and evil?

Or should we look to the Christian God, or Hitler and his ilk for good guidance?

Regards
DL

According to your own position, evil and good are subjective, so these questions are pointless. When you refer to "our sense of good and evil," you can only mean, "my preferences of what I like and don't like." You simply don't like genocide but you have no basis for believing it is actually wrong. You also have absolutely no basis for thinking that Hitler did anything that was actually wrong, you simply don't agree with what he did and don't like it.

I strongly suggest you think about the self-refuting nature of your beliefs.