Are we all forgiven ? Do we confess our sins ?

[chestertonrules]

Do you mean unconfessed sin? If we persist in sin and don't confess our sin, we will be out of fellowship with Jesus. We will be chastened sorely until we confess and obey. That's the way a father does with his child. We have the perfect Father, so He does it perfectly. What? You don't think He is able to discipline His children until they obey? I know from experience that He can and does. :amen

That's not what I asked.

If you persist in a life of unrepentant sin, even after a born again experience, will you go to heaven?

 

[elijah23]

Hi to all , so why do we have to confess sins in the flesh if we have been forgiven ? And it is stated twice that we have been redeemed FROM all our sins .

In Col 2:13 , " And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath He quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES ".

And in Titus 2:14 , Who gave Himself for us , that He might redeem us FROM ALL INIQUITY , and purify unto Himself a peculiar people , zealous of good works .

ALL of the believers sins ( past , present , and future ) have been dealt with by Christ on the Cross .

This is hard for the finite mind to understand , but ALL of our sins were in the future when Christ died for them . He completely satisfied the Father in dying for the sins of the whole world , and because of this death , God can righteously forgive men their sins when they believe ( Rom 3:26 )
The ground or basis for this forgiveness is the BLOOD of Christ .

So , that means their is NO basis for asking for forgiveness or to confess ones sins , IS THERE ?

We need to be honest with the Lord and confess our sins to him, don’t we?

As for confessing our sins to each other, sometimes it is helpful for me to confess that I’ve committed this sin or that sin to make a point. I recently was communicating with a young man about his relationship with a woman. It was helpful for me to confess that I had made many mistakes as a young man, and had messed up my life, so that he could learn from my mistakes.

 

[dan p]

hi dan,
there are things, as Christians, we do - such as:
1). walk in faith -
Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing unto him; for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that seek after him.

2). baptism - and you know all those versus dan lol

3). confess our sins, i gave you James in the previous post

4). become perfected and manifest Christ

Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

are you an OSAS believer? if so, this would be a HUGE obstacle in our discussions.

there is no rapture, dan, a resurrection not rapture

God bless -

Hi , DarcyLu , and I believe in saved, always , saved and I you the Eph 2:8 , to prove it .

Saved in Eph 2:8 , is #1 , in the Greek Perfect Tense , which means Past Action , with Continuing results because we are always in the present .
#2 , It is in the Greek Passive Voice , which means , Christ did it for us and not you .

#3 , It is also in the Greek Indictaive Mood , which means that it is a FACT , and can be checked out in the internet , and is a HUGE obstacle to the those that 2 Peter 3:15-16 .

You have quoted Gal 2:20 , and the word CRUCIFIED is also in the Perfect Tense , Passive Voice and Indicative Mood and when Jesus said on the Cross , " it is finished " it also is in the Perfect Tense .

 

[glorydaz]

Do you mean unconfessed sin? If we persist in sin and don't confess our sin, we will be out of fellowship with Jesus. We will be chastened sorely until we confess and obey. That's the way a father does with his child. We have the perfect Father, so He does it perfectly. What? You don't think He is able to discipline His children until they obey? I know from experience that He can and does. :amen

That's not what I asked.

If you persist in a life of unrepentant sin, even after a born again experience, will you go to heaven?

I'm not sure what sort of born again believers you know, but I've never known one that wasn't sorry after he'd disobeyed the Lord. There are plenty of people who make all sorts of claims. Surely you know that those who are born again are new creatures showing forth the fruit of the spirit. They are also human beings...they will continue to sin until their body of sin is in the grave. Sin has been taken care of on the cross. Those who are resurrected into newness of life are written in the Lamb's Book of Life and will go to heaven.

But just to make you happy, I'll answer you question...

If a truly born again believer keeps sinning and doesn't confess his sin, he will be chastened, have no victory in this life, and will lose his rewards....but not his salvation.

If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

There is NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Nothing can separate us from the love of God.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jesus took sin on the cross and God will not remember them.
Why do you think He came and died for us? Because He knew there are none righteous. We are saved by His grace. It's a gift. We only have to believe. Why does man try to take some sort of credit for what Jesus did as if he has a hand in his own salvation? I don't get it.

I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

 

[AVBunyan]

ALL of the believers sins ( past , present , and future ) have been dealt with by Christ on the Cross .
So , that means their is NO basis for asking for forgiveness or to confess ones sins , IS THERE ?

Amen -
Confessing and Forgiveness

Do I believe a saint has to confess their sins in order to be forgiven? Double NO!

Do I believe a saint has to confess their sins? No

Now, why?

First – if I read my Bible right Eph. 1:7 and Col. 1:14 says I am already forgiven. When Christ died for my sins 2000 years ago He died for them all – the ones I, as a believer, did yesterday and the ones I am going to do later on. If God forgave me at Calvary for my sins then I am forgiven. My forgiveness is based upon Christ's finished work at Calvary – not my confessing them.

Let's go further. Let's say I go in and talk mean to my wife. This is sin. I immediately sit down and read Eph. 1:7 – it says I am forgiven. I go and get drunk (God forbid!) – this is sin. I sit down and read col. 1:14 – it says I am forgiven. You see I am forgiven – it is as though I never sinned or ever will in God's eyes – read Ephesians 1. My standing before God is sinless perfection. Yes, I sin all day long because of this vile nature I still have in me but I am forgiven already based upon Calvary!

Now, here comes the saints' “outâ€. I John 1:9. This is the main verse everyone uses to say we have to confess our sins. I call this verse the “Baptist mass†for many have abused this verse into thinking that all they have to do after they sin is to confess and all is done.

This has led to an abuse of the grace we have and given some a license to sin. Shameful!

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Look real close if you are going to use this verse as your ammo. Take it as it stand with no application or going to any worthless ancient word studies.

Here your forgiveness is based upon your confession. This forgiveness is conditional. If you confess you get forgiveness – if you don't – no forgiveness. I'm not talking about your “fellowship†with the Father (as some says it “really†means) – I'm talking about forgiveness.

As mentioned above my forgiveness is in Jesus Christ – not by me asking forgiveness. If you take this verse at face value for TODAY then you would be confessing your sins at an alarming rate. And what if you forgot to confess one – according to the verse it means you are not forgiven and I'd like to see you get into heaven with any sins on you. You see how if you take this verse here as it stand your new full time job as saint would be confessing all day long for we sin all day long!!! You ought to get down on your knees right now and thank the Lord for grace!

Summary – the saint does not have to confess their sins in order to have those sins forgiven – the saint is already forgiven – was forgiven a long time ago.

Does someone have to confess his or her sins in order to get forgiveness? You bet – not sure who they are but I would be willing to bet that it has something to do with Israel and the tribulation period but I know one thing it contradicts Pauline doctrine of Eph. 1:7 and Col. 1:14 so I know it doesn't doctrinally apply to the blood-bought saint today. Never said I understood it all - I just said it wasn't for me today and I am glad!!!

Now – application - Do I believe it is good to confess – yes. It's not a bad idea to cleanse the conscience before the Lord. This could remove any barriers YOU have put up that have kept you from fellowshipping with the Lord. Sometimes sin takes away our boldness to go before the throne. The Lord doesn't put up barriers but WE DO. To acknowledge our sins and ignorances keeps us honest before the Lord. But to confess in order TO GET SOMETHING FROM God I believe to be unscriptural and not needed.

What do I know when I know I've blown it? I acknowledge it to my Father – I thank him for the forgiveness I have already have – I claim the power He has given me to not live that way and ask His grace so as not to do such evil again. But I don't ask God to forgive me for why should I ask Him for something that He has already done!!!???!!! Claim the forgiveness you already have in Christa and go and sin no more!

What should understanding real forgiveness do for the saint? It should humble him. It should make him so grateful and thankful that he would not want to sin so easily. It should call his mind to a quicker repentance when he does sin knowing that God sacrificed His only Son for sin.

So, saint, guess what? You are forgiven regardless of what you do. Does this mean you should go out and live like the devil? God forbid - Rom. 6:1,2 – your duty is to walk worthy of the vocation wherewith you have been called – Eph. 4:1. Are you saved? Then live like you are and let the world see a work of grace in you.

 

[glorydaz]

Now – application - Do I believe it is good to confess – yes. It's not a bad idea to cleanse the conscience before the Lord. This could remove any barriers YOU have put up that have kept you from fellowshipping with the Lord. Sometimes sin takes away our boldness to go before the throne. The Lord doesn't put up barriers but WE DO. To acknowledge our sins and ignorances keeps us honest before the Lord. But to confess in order TO GET SOMETHING FROM God I believe to be unscriptural and not needed.

I agree...our sins have been forgiven (all of them - past, present, and future). I look at confession of sin as an exercise in humility. I fall short, and even though our Lord knows that, and has forgiven me, I just feel an apology goes a long way. I expect my children to say, "I'm sorry," when they disobey...not for my sake, but for theirs. Pride is a battle for man his entire life, and to humble oneself in the sight of the Lord can only be a good thing. Plus, I'm just plain sorry when I fail to live up to His high calling in any way. I'm aiming for that, "Well done, good and faithful servant." :halo

 

[dan p]

Now – application - Do I believe it is good to confess – yes. It's not a bad idea to cleanse the conscience before the Lord. This could remove any barriers YOU have put up that have kept you from fellowshipping with the Lord. Sometimes sin takes away our boldness to go before the throne. The Lord doesn't put up barriers but WE DO. To acknowledge our sins and ignorances keeps us honest before the Lord. But to confess in order TO GET SOMETHING FROM God I believe to be unscriptural and not needed.

I agree...our sins have been forgiven (all of them - past, present, and future). I look at confession of sin as an exercise in humility. I fall short, and even though our Lord knows that, and has forgiven me, I just feel an apology goes a long way. I expect my children to say, "I'm sorry," when they disobey...not for my sake, but for theirs. Pride is a battle for man his entire life, and to humble oneself in the sight of the Lord can only be a good thing. Plus, I'm just plain sorry when I fail to live up to His high calling in any way. I'm aiming for that, "Well done, good and faithful servant." :halo

Hi to all , and there is another reason WHY I chose this topic , becuase , I am trying to show by the word that there is a different between what Paul , the Apostle OF Grace wrote and the 12 Apostles havE written and what the New Covenant writer like James, John , Peter , Jude have written . They are different . They are New Covenant writers and that is why 1 John 1:9 and 10 , conflict with Paul .