[_ Old Earth _] Are We Alone in the Universe?

[bibleberean]

We know that the universe is inhabited by created Angelic beings. We know we are not alone in the universe.

I don't believe there are other planets out there with life on them.

I have often wondered how Stephen saw Christ standing next to God while he was being stoned.

Was he supernaturally looking into another dimension that man normally cannot view with his natural senses?

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

There are many things we don't know now that will be revealed to us when we see Christ face to face.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

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[ThinkerMan]

Just a bit of clarification here..

I had started reading it but then put it down to read something else. It is written by two leading astrobiologists (Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee) who are evolutionists. They pretty much posit the fine-tuning argument that creationists use except that their conclusion is just that life in the universe is very rare, possible only on Earth. Their theory has serious implications which they do not address.

Yes, and there are also some problems associated with their thinking. We have only observed 200 planets in the universe. Planet finding is very difficult as planets do not give off light.

Planets do give of light. It's reflected, but it is light nonetheless.

National Geographic (which had a great article about this topic this month) compared it to picking out a firefly one foot away from a search light from a few thousand miles. Basically, the glare of the star makes it almost impossible to see the tiny reflective surface of a planet.

There are few different ways they are trying to directly see stars. One is building a giant binocular telescope. They will get the oscillating light waves of the star to "cancel out" eliminating the light from the star and allowing the telescope to see the reflective planet....pretty cool idea.

Other difficulties is that we only know of one way that life could form, so we have only observed carbon based life forms.

Perhaps a chemist or molecular biologists can correct me, but it my understanding that the structure of carbon lends itself to complex chemicals (have you ever taken O-chem, wow!) that other elements simply don't nearly as well. It is highly likely that other life forms would be carbon based as well.

I guess no one can no for sure, it is an interest thing to discuss, and we should never give up out search.[/b]

Agreed completely.

 

[jonnyblade]

The question cannot really be answered, we can only base life on what we know it as, there could be 10,000 elements out there an we only got a small percentage of them. There are 5 senses because we have only 5. Its possible there are beings out there far more complex then we could ever imagine or some lifeforms that are only basic germs. If there is life out there one day we will find it, we are only at the first stage of our development we got at least a million years to go.

 

[reznwerks]

ancient ufo

Historical Evidence of UFOs
Ancient UFO reports
Don't make the mistake of thinking that the UFO phenomenon began with Kenneth Arnold in 1947, or with the "foo fighters" of World War II, or even with the airship sightings of 1897. Unidentified flying objects have been with us much longer than that, they just weren't called UFOs.

Many possible sightings are recorded in the Bible and other ancient writings, and during the Middle Ages, many strange things seen in the skies were recorded:

776 AD - As the Saxons were laying seige to Charlemagne's castle at Sigiburg, flying shields appeared and rained down fire on the attacking army
840 AD - Agobard, Archbishop of Lyon's, France, mentioned that the people believed in a place in the sky called "Magonia", and that people traveled ....
http://ufos.about.com/od/ancientastrona ... 081504.htm

 

[Gary]

... so rez thinks UFOs exist because he can find references to them in the Bible!

Many possible sightings are recorded in the Bible and other ancient writings, and during the Middle Ages, many strange things seen in the skies were recorded....

..... but you don't even believe Jesus ever existed!

Please explain your logic and please reference which chapter/verse in the Bible makes you believe in UFOs. Thanks.

:roll:

 

[reznwerks]

ufo

... so rez thinks UFOs exist because he can find references to them in the Bible!
There you go again jumping to conclusions. Did you find one word that said I believed in UFO's? All I did was post the links for you to peruse.

Many possible sightings are recorded in the Bible and other ancient writings, and during the Middle Ages, many strange things seen in the skies were recorded....

You see this is where you have a problem. We have reliable witnesses today that are reporting the same things that were reported thousands of years ago and not only in one area. There is more than one source which is a significant criteria for judgeing whether something is valid.

..... but you don't even believe Jesus ever existed!
I'm not the only one.Even in the bible they said Jesus never came in the flesh.2 John 1:7-11 "Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work." See if you can dispute some of the info in these links:
http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/appendixd5.html

Please explain your logic and please reference which chapter/verse in the Bible makes you believe in UFOs. Thanks.

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[bibleberean]

The verse 2: John 5:7 does not stand alone.

The deceivers in the following verses may not be questioning the fact that Jesus existed but that He "came in the flesh". Gnostics of that time were preaching a heresy that Jesus was not a real flesh and blood human being but a phantom.

Some gnostics taught that it would be impossible for God to inhabit a body because all flesh is evil.

See if this makes sense.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Note: The above verse does not say that these people believed Jesus never existed but that they did not believe Jesus came in the flesh.

2 John 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

The doctrine of Christ must be the teaching that Christ had a Body.

Christ taught that He was flesh.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

The apostle John goes to great lengths to show that Christ was indeed flesh and that the apostles both saw, heard and touched Jesus.

1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

As far as UFO's are concerned I have no doubt that they have been reported for centuries. The evidence is overwhelming.

The thing about an Unidentified Flying Object is that it is just that.

Unidentified

We don't know what they are or where they are coming from.

What they might be is a discussion in itself.

 

[jonnyblade]

I dont think aliens would come this far and not stop to say hello, really why would they just buzz around the sky and not make themselves known to us. I think if there is alien life out there they havent found us yet or cant reach us.

 

[Joeri]

http://www.logoschristian.org/ufosrevealed/index2.htm

I love bibleberean. :bday:

 

[reznwerks]

human

I dont think aliens would come this far and not stop to say hello, really why would they just buzz around the sky and not make themselves known to us. I think if there is alien life out there they havent found us yet or cant reach us.

You are assuming they think and reason like humans. The evidence is there. They have made themselves know to us. Look at the posts I've linked and listen to some of the top military leaders and their quotes. They know there is something there . There are far more eyewitness's to ET than to Jesus.

 

[jonnyblade]

You hold a valid point, and they very well could have made there mark, just as ghosts or the lockness monster. There is a lot out there unproven, but until, I get haunted, meet ET or buy a locky burger I am goanna be skeptical of them.

 

[Featherbop]

Although I jump back and forth on whether or not intelligent extra terrestrial lifeforms exists, I do hope either way.

But, I wonder, if there are other intelligences out there(besides known ones), are they quarantined planets much like this one, do they have similar minds and bodys, what is the culture(s) like, what are their government systems, etc.

So many questions.

 

[Vice]

*The following is pure conjecture*

Chances are that if there is life on other planets,

1) They are not fallen and sinful like us, and

2) They will never have contact with us (instructed by God not to contact us?) due to our sinful and fallen state (which is contagious).

That is all.

 

[jonnyblade]

Well not so true, Jesus didn't appear until thousands of years after man walked the earth, maybe he won't show himself to alien life, just as apes don't goto church. We were supposed to be created in the image of God, if aliens were not do you think he would show himself to them? What if sins can't apply to them, maybe they are asexual, incapable of dying or killing, have no possesion to steal. The complications of an alien life form could hold no likeness to anything we ever seen or know. In fact they could be sitting next to us frustrated that they cannot communicate or touch us by any of there known means(just an example).

 

[reznwerks]

theology

You hold a valid point, and they very well could have made there mark, just as ghosts or the lockness monster. There is a lot out there unproven, but until, I get haunted, meet ET or buy a locky burger I am goanna be skeptical of them.

Why don't you demand the same proof of Christianity?

 

[reznwerks]

aliens

Well not so true, Jesus didn't appear until thousands of years after man walked the earth, maybe he won't show himself to alien life, just as apes don't goto church. We were supposed to be created in the image of God, if aliens were not do you think he would show himself to them? What if sins can't apply to them, maybe they are asexual, incapable of dying or killing, have no possesion to steal. The complications of an alien life form could hold no likeness to anything we ever seen or know. In fact they could be sitting next to us frustrated that they cannot communicate or touch us by any of there known means(just an example).

Why would'nt Jesus show himself to aliens? If God created the whole universe that means he created "aliens"as well. I think you are correct in that if aliens exist they are not like us physically. Perhaps God made them to suit their environment.

 

[Joeri]

Re: aliens

Well not so true, Jesus didn't appear until thousands of years after man walked the earth, maybe he won't show himself to alien life, just as apes don't goto church. We were supposed to be created in the image of God, if aliens were not do you think he would show himself to them? What if sins can't apply to them, maybe they are asexual, incapable of dying or killing, have no possesion to steal. The complications of an alien life form could hold no likeness to anything we ever seen or know. In fact they could be sitting next to us frustrated that they cannot communicate or touch us by any of there known means(just an example).

Why would'nt Jesus show himself to aliens? If God created the whole universe that means he created "aliens"as well. I think you are correct in that if aliens exist they are not like us physically. Perhaps God made them to suit their environment.

true, i suppose God makes sure the true religion is made clear to every kind of nation... and species... even though the perfect religion may not be the same for each species. but satan was fallen and abandoned on this world, not on an alien world.
The angelic knowledge says there are 7 earths in the universe, just like 7 heavens.

 

[jonnyblade]

Re: aliens

Why would'nt Jesus show himself to aliens? If God created the whole universe that means he created "aliens"as well. I think you are correct in that if aliens exist they are not like us physically. Perhaps God made them to suit their environment.

God only showed himself to certain people, If you goto an uncivilized tribe in the jungles of Africa I bet you will find lots of people who never heard of jesus or the bible, you will get that with a lot of isolated groups. We have over a thousand religions on earth, if i was born into the Budda I might not be aware of his teachings, maybe aliens have 100000 religions or have none. Jesus didnt preach to cows, he just gave them to us for food, maybe he considers alien life the same way.

 

[jonnyblade]

Another aspect of it is Satan, if he can corrupt us against the will of God, why does God not stop him? Could a whole race of beings be at that level of power as to be against him, working on the side of another fallen angel. We only hear the stories in the bible for our planet, maybe 1000 fallen angels could be on their planet as well.
Could it have happened here since the time of Christ?

 

[Joeri]

Another aspect of it is Satan, if he can corrupt us against the will of God, why does God not stop him? Could a whole race of beings be at that level of power as to be against him, working on the side of another fallen angel. We only hear the stories in the bible for our planet, maybe 1000 fallen angels could be on their planet as well.
Could it have happened here since the time of Christ?

he has stopped him, hes banished to earth and in a week into hell, a spiritual week that is, a thousand year is by God a day.,