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Bible Study are we not all angels ==??? all spirits that are in heaven ??? or iam missing something ?

Matthew 22....(NKJV)
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
 
I agree with Bill. We will be different than the angels. The angels were created by God for specific tasks. Some are assigned to each of us, some are in the presence of our Holy God ministering to Him. We on the other hand have been created for a different kind of fellowship with God. We are His children and once we have passed this age of testing and occupy the Kingdom and the New Jerusalem we will have different assignments.
 
1 John 3....(NKJV)
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
 
Gary said:
1 John 3....(NKJV)
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
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may also add a couple verses
Heb 2
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
1 Corin 6
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
 
I think people are going to be in for a big surprise when God finally puts an end to this mess.
 
Roro1972 said:
may also add a couple verses
Heb 2
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
1 Corin 6
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
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Spot on!
 
Chopper said:
I agree with Bill. We will be different than the angels. The angels were created by God for specific tasks. Some are assigned to each of us, some are in the presence of our Holy God ministering to Him. We on the other hand have been created for a different kind of fellowship with God. We are His children and once we have passed this age of testing and occupy the Kingdom and the New Jerusalem we will have different assignments.
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Great point and even the Word of God teaches we were created a little lower than the Angels but that we will command, judge, the angels when we are in the Glorified Bodies. (Heb. 2:6-7 & 1Cor. 6:3)
 
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We are spirit and physical body, both, now.

But: Angels, are only spirit -- although they can form temporary/transient bodies at God's command, and those are generally related to wind, flame, and fire, which may be somewhat illusionary (vision like). Psalm 104:4, Hebrews 1:7.
For example, God rides upon the Cherubim -- who are winged creatures in visions -- but often understood to be present by ancient peoples where only strong winds/storms were reported present by other people; and then there's the shekina glory cloud and the burning bush of the old testament (cf: Moses) which are often understood by Jews of Jesus' time to be angels who formed the image of fire/cloud in order to herald God's presence and/or voice (esp: wind/thunder) in a particular place. (eg: Galatians 3:19)

We are *like* angels, or a likeness of angels, in that we have a spirit which gives our bodies life; whereas, they are pure spirit with transient bodies which can be brought into existence temporarily. However, when their bodies disappear -- they do not 'die' like we do.

We are also *like* angels, in that we can take the message God has given us, and speak to others on God's behalf;
2Corinthians 5:20.

But the word for "angel" technically means "message" or "messenger" in Greek/in the bible; so any messenger, whether human, animal or a spirit sent by God, are all "angels" in Greek; And as a noun, the Gospel itself is the "eu-Angelon" -- literally the "good angel". But the meaning of the words is "the good message" or "the good story".

In English, the primary connotation of the word "Angel" is a spiritual messenger from God who was created before the Earth or this universe; so that it's confusing to speak of "us" being Angels -- because most people will take that to mean you are asking if we are spiritual creatures who existed before the creation of Adam and Eve; eg: and that brings up the question of "reincarnation" (Buddhist &/or Japaneese thinking) which I am going to say, emphatically, "No. we are not reincarnated angels, and neither is Jesus equivalent to Micahel the Archangel."

Death is what separates our spirit from the body; and at the 'end of time', God has promised through Jesus to raise all of those bodies from the dead. The difference between getting a glorified body, vs. a body of corruption -- is simply whether or not the person raised from the dead was saved by God at the end.

Angels, on the other hand, do not get a body at all as far as I know from scripture. They stay the same as they are now -- spirits who can form transient bodies, but who do not have a permanent body of their own.

I can only imagine that the time between our death, and our resurrection, is where we are anything like the natural state of angels; eg: Spirits without a body / aka disembodied spirits. But as far as scripture goes, I don't see any indications (Edit: I may be wrong about this...I need to check a few references) that humans after death but before resurrection were or are free to do what Angels can do; eg: create a temporary body upon the earth, again, and wander about without being raised from the dead;

I am pretty sure that people who have died and not yet raised from the dead, are under restraints of some kind: Luke 16:19-41.

Although, It is possible that people who have died are messengers, and speak with God; eg: Consider for example that a "Lazarus" (Etymology: My health is lost), did come back from the dead as a messanger/witness of Jesus directly in keeping with the parable about Lazarus found in Luke 16:19-41. Although, the Pharisees in general "will not believe" exactly as Father Abraham predicted; and in Jewish reckoning, those are some of the "brothers" of the dead man -- yet, we don't know if the rich man's nearest kin who had a personal relationship with the rich man were converted by Lazarus coming back from the dead or not.

But at very least, I can see even the condemned/damned rich man as offering a prayer up to God through Abraham, after death; so that in Jesus' parables even the apparently damned could communicate via., Father Abraham, to God/Jesus after death while in the disembodied state nearest that of angels; (In Spite of the fact that I think the fate of the rich man is sealed to damnation according to the Parable.)

The Parable illustrates that, Abraham, himself, was expected to act like an "angel" in the afterlife by at least some other Jews (eg: Jews represented by the rich man.)

Does this help, any?
 
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th1b.taylor said:
Neither wins, both are bond slaves to the Master.
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Bravo! Good answer. I love those words Bill, "BOND SLAVES" I try and remind myself each day that I am, as you say, a bond slave to my Master Jesus. What must I do then? SURRENDER my life to His will for me....Thanks for the reminder old Buddy.
 
Chopper said:
Bravo! Good answer. I love those words Bill, "BOND SLAVES" I try and remind myself each day that I am, as you say, a bond slave to my Master Jesus. What must I do then? SURRENDER my life to His will for me....Thanks for the reminder old Buddy.
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I should never seek to do less for my fellow servants. I have received a multitude of snide and sometimes rude responses for this teaching that comes straight from the scriptures. So many, today, hold the truth in unrighteousness. (Rom. 1:18)
 
Dear Brother thesaintman, I hope the following scriptures give you thought for consideration.

The word "angel" also means messenger.
Strong's - 32 aggelov aggelos ang'-el-os
from aggello [probably derived from 71, cf 34] (to bring tidings); TDNT-1:74,12; n m
AV-angel 179, messenger 7; 186
1) a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ . . He sent and signified it by His angel (Jesus’ messenger) unto his servant John.

Revelation Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him (The angel giving John the Revelation of Christ). And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
 
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th1b.taylor said:
I should never seek to do less for my fellow servants. I have received a multitude of snide and sometimes rude responses for this teaching that comes straight from the scriptures. So many, today, hold the truth in unrighteousness. (Rom. 1:18)
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You are so right Bill. In the church that I recently left, over the years I had become friends with many of the men. As a result, I saw what they were like when not in church. Bill, a good many of them lived duel lives. What appeared to be a great Christian at church, but a great fake when not in church. This really bothers me Bill, why do you think, that it's so easy to live like the world and call your self a Christian?

Hey, I'm not perfect, but at least I try and live a consistent Christian testimony. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I lived like some of these jokers. What really gets me is some of these men are extremely financially well off, and I struggle to pay my monthly bills.

Oh well, life isn't over yet, someday, probably after life is over, there will be a big difference, Right?
 
Chopper said:
You are so right Bill. In the church that I recently left, over the years I had become friends with many of the men. As a result, I saw what they were like when not in church. Bill, a good many of them lived duel lives. What appeared to be a great Christian at church, but a great fake when not in church. This really bothers me Bill, why do you think, that it's so easy to live like the world and call your self a Christian?
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As nearly as I can tell, Chopper, their Christianity is a religion and not a relationship. Most I have met that are like this think I'm a nut case. My late best friend passed not long ago from a failed double lung transplant. Hutch lived the Word of God but would not walk inside a Church because of something from his past.

Hutch and I ran Mixers together for the last three hears of my work life and everywhere we went the ladies loved being around us and all the men thought us strange, the way we never cursed, honor women and tried hard to make a profit for the company. Neither of us considered religion t important but we loved our walks with Jesus.

Hey, I'm not perfect, but at least I try and live a consistent Christian testimony. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I lived like some of these jokers. What really gets me is some of these men are extremely financially well off, and I struggle to pay my monthly bills.
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They are as Jesus said about threading a camel through the eye of the needle, one of the hardest teachings I ever came to grips with. After researching in all the wrong places I met a preacher that told me there was a gate called the needle that remained open in the walls surrounding Jerusalem and it was open on the Sabbath.

The Needle was so low to the ground that to get an unloaded camel inside it had to crawl through on itś's knees. When I was a contractor and playing music I was big time into the money but I just never pretended. I knew God had called me but i was refusing to serve Him. This is the trap of the well off.

When God stripped me of everything, then, I was ready to serve Him and to no longer hold neither my real nor my perceived wealth ahead of God and of course that meant others could have what I had if they needed it to serve our master. Wealth is a monster load to try to drag through the needle and to get inside the gate. I know, exactly, two that were successful and they hold it in their wide open hands to the Church.

the men that are not so well off but live that way do have more, perceived, wealth than they are willing to loose.

Oh well, life isn't over yet, someday, probably after life is over, there will be a big difference, Right?
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Absolutely, then we will all realize we are heirs to the Crown and we will know what the Extreme Left preaches, Income Equality. I do not. for a second, buy the image of playing harps on a cloud. No, being a man that has always needed a task, i see all of us being busy with a mission our LORD has for us. But without all the sin around us, it will be Heaven beyond all we can imagine.
 
th1b.taylor said:
As nearly as I can tell, Chopper, their Christianity is a religion and not a relationship. Most I have met that are like this think I'm a nut case. My late best friend passed not long ago from a failed double lung transplant. Hutch lived the Word of God but would not walk inside a Church because of something from his past.

Hutch and I ran Mixers together for the last three hears of my work life and everywhere we went the ladies loved being around us and all the men thought us strange, the way we never cursed, honor women and tried hard to make a profit for the company. Neither of us considered religion t important but we loved our walks with Jesus.


They are as Jesus said about threading a camel through the eye of the needle, one of the hardest teachings I ever came to grips with. After researching in all the wrong places I met a preacher that told me there was a gate called the needle that remained open in the walls surrounding Jerusalem and it was open on the Sabbath.

The Needle was so low to the ground that to get an unloaded camel inside it had to crawl through on itś's knees. When I was a contractor and playing music I was big time into the money but I just never pretended. I knew God had called me but i was refusing to serve Him. This is the trap of the well off.

When God stripped me of everything, then, I was ready to serve Him and to no longer hold neither my real nor my perceived wealth ahead of God and of course that meant others could have what I had if they needed it to serve our master. Wealth is a monster load to try to drag through the needle and to get inside the gate. I know, exactly, two that were successful and they hold it in their wide open hands to the Church.

the men that are not so well off but live that way do have more, perceived, wealth than they are willing to loose.


Absolutely, then we will all realize we are heirs to the Crown and we will know what the Extreme Left preaches, Income Equality. I do not. for a second, buy the image of playing harps on a cloud. No, being a man that has always needed a task, i see all of us being busy with a mission our LORD has for us. But without all the sin around us, it will be Heaven beyond all we can imagine.
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Thank you old friend :hug I really appreciate your assessment of what I posted. Boy O Boy, you've been around the barn a few times. I wish you would write a book on your life. All your experiences as a professional musician and singer as an unsaved man, then the changes that the Lord brought into your life, plus your physical trials, would make a fantastic read. Is that possible?

I love you, you dried out old corn cob. :poke
 
Chopper said:
Bravo! Good answer. I love those words Bill, "BOND SLAVES" I try and remind myself each day that I am, as you say, a bond slave to my Master Jesus. What must I do then? SURRENDER my life to His will for me....Thanks for the reminder old Buddy.
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I understand how a person can be a bond slave to Christ. But can an angel be a bond slave to Christ?
 
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