ARE YOU THE REASON WHY CHRISTIANITY IS FAILING ?

[GODHASSPOKENTOME]

What do I mean Christianity is failing, look at the lifestyle of today's youth and almost all the surveys tell us that we have lost the souls of today's youth. The Catholic Church and other Christian dominations are accepting Homosexual Pedophilia and Same Sex Marriages etc. as normal behaviour and lying and cheating and dishonesty and sexuality and illegal drug use etc. etc. etc.. -You- are doing nothing to stop this evil from spreading, nothing!

 

[Webers_Home]

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What do I mean Christianity is failing, look at the lifestyle of today's youth and almost all the surveys tell us that we have lost the souls of today's youth. The Catholic Church and other Christian dominations are accepting Homosexual Pedophilia and Same Sex Marriages etc. as normal behaviour and lying and cheating and dishonesty and sexuality and illegal drug use etc. etc. etc.. -You- are doing nothing to stop this evil from spreading, nothing!

Enhance your calm, my friend, enhance your calm.

The Lord will "fix" all of that when he returns.

†. Mtt 13:40-43 . . As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

In the meantime it is Christianity's mission to recruit citizens for the coming kingdom.

†. Mrk 16:15-17 . . He said to them: Go into all the world and preach the gospel everywhere to everyone. Whoever believes and is baptized will be spared, but whoever disbelieves will be damned.

Christians who leave off obeying Mrk 16:15 and entangle themselves in rectifying society's ills (e.g. Martin Luther King Jr.) are insubordinate.

†. 2Tim 2:4 . . No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs— he wants to please his commanding officer.

Had MLK stayed in the pulpit to which he was called— preaching the Bible instead of taking to the streets as a political activist —he might still be alive today. But no, he let the color of his skin take priority over his duty to Christ. Big mistake. According to 1Cor 3:9-15 he died for nothing.

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[Timf]

What do I mean Christianity is failing, look at the lifestyle of today's youth and almost all the surveys tell us that we have lost the souls of today's youth. The Catholic Church and other Christian dominations are accepting Homosexual Pedophilia and Same Sex Marriages etc. as normal behaviour and lying and cheating and dishonesty and sexuality and illegal drug use etc. etc. etc.. -You- are doing nothing to stop this evil from spreading, nothing!

It has been my experience that whenever I am frustrated, angry, or disappointed, it is because there is a conflict between reality and what I expect.

Satan has promulgated a number of ideas that are designed to appeal to the flesh and draw us away from the Spirit.

One of these ideas is to be preoccupied with what "we" can do. We see this at the Tower of Babel. We see it in the American Revolution and all the revolutions since. It is taught in every classroom. Espoused by every media talking head. It is considered almost axiomatic that we are responsible to control and shape the world.

However, if we take a step back and consider that the times we live in are an anomaly, we might find that much of our anxiety can be replaced with the peace of Christ that passes all understanding.

Satan is called the ruler of this present age. God has allowed Satan this time. We should not be surprised that Satan has used it to his advantage. The state of what is called Christianity should not be a surprise.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition)

Luke 18:8 I tell you, He will defend and protect and avenge them speedily. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find [persistence in] faith on the earth?

The idea that we can and should control the world seems to designed to only cause frustration.

I suggest an alternative to trying to control or fix things in the world. I suggest that we allow the world to go where it wants to go and that we hold high the light of truth for any that still seek it. I do not see where we are called to be successful, rather we are called to be faithful.

 

[GODHASSPOKENTOME]

Webers Home & Timf, -WOW- the way you are explaining the failure of Christianity is too hope for -God- to save everybody that believes in -Him-. For over 2000 years mankind died by the tens of thousands trying to bring God and Christianity to the rest of the world. Now we have become a nation of pansies that believes in nothing except ourselves, how sad...

 

[Jethro Bodine]

-You- are doing nothing to stop this evil from spreading, nothing!

How do you stop people, in or out of the church, from being evil?

 

[Adullam]

Webers Home & Timf, -WOW- the way you are explaining the failure of Christianity is too hope for -God- to save everybody that believes in -Him-. For over 2000 years mankind died by the tens of thousands trying to bring God and Christianity to the rest of the world. Now we have become a nation of pansies that believes in nothing except ourselves, how sad...

While using the accusative -you- you are insinuating that you are not part of the problem...which is...ummm...part of the problem. Instead a righteous man would say-we- when referring to the state of the world that-we- find ourselves in. I suggest you read more about Moses and the great humility he exhibited in identifying with the people.

 

[GODHASSPOKENTOME]

Finally somebody that asks the right question, every Christian has the ability to stop -Evil- buy simply using the -COMPUTER- AND -TELEPHONE- AND -MAIL- ETC..
What do I mean, why do you think that the evil in our society is so successful? Money controls everything and all the -Gays- and Hollywood types and TV executives etc. use money as a incentive to get what -Evil- they want.
So why can't real Christians not the pansy type of christians use the vast numbers (Tens of Millions) of real Christians to get rid of -Evil- by using the same power that evil uses. The threat of millions of Christians taking action and withholding their money to stop the politicians and hollywood executives etc. and voting as a block and you will see -Evil- disappear. Are you a real Christian or a pansy that only reads the Bible and does nothing else which is why -Evil- is winning the battle against God and Christianity...

 

[MarbleShooter]

Let me ask you something. Do you think Homosexuals are people? Do you think Pedophiles are people? Do you think Drug Addicts are people? Then, do you believe everyone has the right to make a choice of what they buy and how they run their lives? Do you believe that God will judge them based on their lives? Do you believe the government should force people to live by Christian principles and deny others the freedom of religion, speech, gather, and press that many of our own soldiers have died to protect over the past few hundred years? I await your answer.

 

[GODHASSPOKENTOME]

-MarableShooter- your reply is the typical Liberal junk. that projects peoples rights the way liberals see them, which are -Evil- in the vast, vast majority of situations. According to liberals their should be no morality or responsibility or anything to stop whatever feels good is OK. Since we could argue all day long let's find mutual ground in the following, is Abortion in the third trimester wrong in 98% of the time? 2% of the time is for legitimate women's safety the rest of the time it's murder, Yes or No, all the rest is liberal junk!

 

[reba]

About 2000 years ago there were about 12 Christians. Seems to me we have grown in numbers.

 

[MarbleShooter]

-MarableShooter- your reply is the typical Liberal junk.

I'm sorry that you consider it liberal for me to regard Homosexuals as people and to not instantly blanket judge others as evil for what you consider sin. Then again I also know what Liberal and conservative actually means.

that projects peoples rights the way liberals see them, which are -Evil- in the vast, vast majority of situations.

This dosen't make any sense. Sorry, but as a moderate conservative myself I don't think would apply to me anyway.

According to liberals their should be no morality or responsibility or anything to stop whatever feels good is OK.

Actually, I've never seen a serious Social Liberal espouse that view at all. Sorry.

Since we could argue all day long let's find mutual ground in the following, is Abortion in the third trimester wrong in 98% of the time? 2% of the time is for legitimate women's safety the rest of the time it's murder, Yes or No, all the rest is liberal junk!

I'm against 3rd trimester abortion, but I also don't consider anyone else's opinion liberal junk.

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[for_his_glory]

So, what is your suggestion? What else should we be doing other than witnessing Christ to those who have chosen to reject the witness? Seems like it was this sinful world that nailed Christ to the cross to silence him just like throughout all of history and even today as many are persecuted to death for speaking Gods word.

If you are blaming Christianity as a whole then you are also blaming yourself and Christ who indwells us by His Spirit to take His word out into the world by His power and authority to be a light unto the world, but many refuse the light and would rather live in darkness and Jesus said if they do not receive the word of His testimony then to wipe the dust from your feet and move on to those who will hear and accept Him as Lord and Savior.

So, let's put the blame (Satan) where it belongs until it is cast into the lake of fire with the false prophets and the beast are cast into and just be about our Fathers business as none of us can bring anyone to Christ unless they are drawn by His Spirit.

Remember, when you point a finger at someone or something three of those fingers point back to you!

Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Artie]

-MarableShooter- your reply is the typical Liberal junk. that projects peoples rights the way liberals see them, which are -Evil- in the vast, vast majority of situations. According to liberals their should be no morality or responsibility or anything to stop whatever feels good is OK. Since we could argue all day long let's find mutual ground in the following, is Abortion in the third trimester wrong in 98% of the time? 2% of the time is for legitimate women's safety the rest of the time it's murder, Yes or No, all the rest is liberal junk!

May I ask what your opinion is based on? Christ doesn't mention abortion with a single word in the New Testament and certainly doesn't give any instructions about trimesters.

 

[GODHASSPOKENTOME]

-for_his_glory- when I post most of the time I am talking in today's time period, there is much relevance with the past and how we can use the Bible to help us meet our needs in today's time period. BUT, when you can show today's people who are non believers in God and the Bible and Religion etc. in the vast amount of these people. You have to try and show them the relevance of the Bible and Gods word in everyday English and today's thinking and morality etc. not quoting the Bible only and expecting any real results with today's problems. Once you start on the road to liberalism you are lost and your soul is lost to the Devil who invented liberalism that gives us a false prophet...

 

[phantom309]

Let me ask you something. Do you think Homosexuals are people? Do you think Pedophiles are people? Do you think Drug Addicts are people? Then, do you believe everyone has the right to make a choice of what they buy and how they run their lives? Do you believe that God will judge them based on their lives? Do you believe the government should force people to live by Christian principles and deny others the freedom of religion, speech, gather, and press that many of our own soldiers have died to protect over the past few hundred years? I await your answer.

All of the given above are people and do deserve a certain amount of respect and consideration.However...homosexuals are people engaged in an immoral and self-destructive lifestyle.Drugs addicts,ditto.Noone here has said that these people do not have the choice to do anything but rather,like it or not,they are in fact engaging in immoral and self-destructive lifestyles.

You seem to completely ignore that the principles this country was founded on were christian values.The very reason this country has freedom of religion,speech,press and gathering is largely due to christians,and this especially included the troops you speak of whom fought,bled and died to establish and protect this great union.

We oppose the things we oppose because quite frankly they are wrong.You also seem to forget,as do many non-christians that it is not us who wrote the bible,but God.Non-christians seem to have a field day bashing and thrashing those of us who misstep or fail to follow our own rules,but then when we do uphold something were taught to defend here comes the non-christian,bashing and thrashing us for doing what they criticized us for not doing just the moment before that.It makes no sense.You either want us to be christians or not..which is it? You cant,as they say,have your cake and eat it too.

Let us also not forget that while the non-christian groups like to point out situations such as the crusades,that non-christian leaders/dictators such as Stalin and Hitler,etc..have collectively incurred a much higher body count over the years.

One things Ive also noticed is the fact that many of you look at us as if we are the ones who wrote these rules and just arbitrarily assigned a sinner title to certain groups that we found convenient.This is not the case.We have a text that is taught to be the inspired word of God.Either we follow it or we dont,we all have that choice.As such,
I will never support homosexual marriage or activities..it is wrong,no matter how you try to paint it or sugarcoat it.Likewise I will never support drugs or the people who abuse them..again wrong and destructive.

Non-christians speak so highly of tolerance and choice..what about our choice??What about how we feel?Are we not free to decide what is moral and acceptable behavior?It appears that to the non-christian the answer is no.From what I see here and the world around me,tolerance is abound until Jesus' name appears.Non-christians have used the government to outlaw the display of the ten commandments in courtrooms and other govt installations.Non-christians have taken the legislative route to remove other symbols of faith,or have gone to authority figures to have children kicked out of school for simply carrying a bible on campus,or forced school religious groups to disband simply because someone else didnt like them.So whos really discriminating here?If tolerance is called for why have non-christians tried to use the govt to force us to live to our standards?Could it be that youve just exposed your own double standard?

Try this next time.Rather than charging in with both barrels blazing and accusing us of unfair behavior and such..examine your side and study some history.You obviously disagree with many of our views.Dont forget that your right to do so was instituted by christian men,who fought alongside christian troops.Ill never say that were perfect,but neither is the other side.

 

[phantom309]

May I ask what your opinion is based on? Christ doesn't mention abortion with a single word in the New Testament and certainly doesn't give any instructions about trimesters.

Regardless of the stage of development,a fetus is a human child.Abortion is a process that kills the developing child in question,thus becoming murder.I think its plain to see where to connect the dots from there.

 

[reba]

Regardless of the stage of development,a fetus is a human child.Abortion is a process that kills the developing child in question,thus becoming murder.I think its plain to see where to connect the dots from there.

AMEN

 

[MarbleShooter]

All of the given above are people and do deserve a certain amount of respect and consideration.However...homosexuals are people engaged in an immoral and self-destructive lifestyle.

No more then straight people who have sex are. Homosexuals are the same as everyone else. End of story. Stop obsessing about the sex lives of people please.

Drugs addicts,ditto.Noone here has said that these people do not have the choice to do anything but rather,like it or not,they are in fact engaging in immoral and self-destructive lifestyles.

So do they deserve help, or should they be abandoned?

You seem to completely ignore that the principles this country was founded on were christian values.

Actually, I think you forgot how for centuries in this country that different denominations quarled for ages. So when you say christian values, you better be specific with which denomination. There is also the part where many deists where part of the founding of this nation. Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson being the most famous and outspoken. Read a history book of that time period. Read about how denominations would fight with each other. Especially durring the colonization.

The very reason this country has freedom of religion,speech,press and gathering is largely due to christians,and this especially included the troops you speak of whom fought,bled and died to establish and protect this great union.

You also forgot that this nation committed acts of treason against the church of England who claimed to have the will of God on their side. Freedom of religion is not a christian value. Considering its a pass to not believe in it. These where men of the enlightenment.

We oppose the things we oppose because quite frankly they are wrong.You also seem to forget,as do many non-christians that it is not us who wrote the bible,but God.Non-christians seem to have a field day bashing and thrashing those of us who misstep or fail to follow our own rules,but then when we do uphold something were taught to defend here comes the non-christian,bashing and thrashing us for doing what they criticized us for not doing just the moment before that.It makes no sense.You either want us to be christians or not..which is it? You cant,as they say,have your cake and eat it too

Sorry, I'm not that straw man you are attacking. Ask me direct questions. Talk to me as an individual because I am an individual. Sorry you are frustrated, but I haven't said much and tend to avoid theology debates here because I have a respect for this place's owners. Though If you just want to beet up a strawman. I'll just sit back and chuckle.

Let us also not forget that while the non-christian groups like to point out situations such as the crusades,that non-christian leaders/dictators such as Stalin and Hitler,etc..have collectively incurred a much higher body count over the years.

Sorry I'm not Stalin and Hitler believe in a God. Read his book. He mentions a God several times and kept good ties with the Vatican throughout the war.

One things Ive also noticed is the fact that many of you look at us as if we are the ones who wrote these rules and just arbitrarily assigned a sinner title to certain groups that we found convenient.

38,000 denominations and you guys fight over interpretations with each other. You can believe what you want. Doesn't mean I'm going to be convinced by it. Your further attacks on your strawman and your cliche hitler/stalin label also dosen't help you. Its tired and worn out.

This is not the case.We have a text that is taught to be the inspired word of God.Either we follow it or we dont,we all have that choice.As such,

Same with every other religion. Both Hindus and Muslims claim the exact same thing.

I will never support homosexual marriage or activities..it is wrong,no matter how you try to paint it or sugarcoat it.

Sorry, I'm not a Christian, so I don't have to follow its teaching that make no sense. Such as anti homosexuality.

Likewise I will never support drugs or the people who abuse them..again wrong and destructive.

Good for you. [quoteNon-christians speak so highly of tolerance and choice..what about our choice??What about how we feel?Are we not free to decide what is moral and acceptable behavior?[/quote] No one took it away. Asking questions is not the same as oppression. Not automatically agreeing with you is the same as oppression.

It appears that to the non-christian the answer is no.From what I see here and the world around me,tolerance is abound until Jesus' name appears.Non-christians have used the government to outlaw the display of the ten commandments in courtrooms and other govt installations.Non-christians have taken the legislative route to remove other symbols of faith,or have gone to authority figures to have children kicked out of school for simply carrying a bible on campus,or forced school religious groups to disband simply because someone else didnt like them.So whos really discriminating here?If tolerance is called for why have non-christians tried to use the govt to force us to live to our standards?Could it be that youve just exposed your own double standard?

This is nothing but a big rant of un sourced self pity. Exaggeration and blaming. This entire rant stems from me asking someone set of simple questions. I didn't do anything to you or any of the stuff you just said. You are attacking me and whining to me about stuff that hasn't even happened to you. I have real incidents that have happened to me that I don't talk about because no wants to read my sob story. I don't go around attacking people and I respect the views of others. You don't as your rant just showed. You unloaded your anger you have of other people, heck people you don't even know or even had anything to do with you. You want me to feel sorry for you? No dice.

Try this next time.Rather than charging in with both barrels blazing and accusing us of unfair behavior and such..examine your side and study some history.You obviously disagree with many of our views.Dont forget that your right to do so was instituted by christian men,who fought alongside christian troops.Ill never say that were perfect,but neither is the other side.

Apealing to the blood shed by others and trying elevate your own self to mask that you just attacked a random person you don't even know and laying blame on them for stuff I've never done. Sorry, I see you as the bad person. Not Christianity, you.

 

[phantom309]

Pardon the lack of the proper multiquote system.

"No more then straight people who have sex are. Homosexuals are the same as everyone else. End of story. Stop obsessing about the sex lives of people please"

Thats your view,too bad its not based on truth.Attempting to answer a question does not constitute obsessing.Furthermore,if you dont wish to hear viewpoints similar to these why are you in a christian forum?Why are you obsessing on the fact that we disagree with you?Not that it matters,since this is obviously the reaction you seek.Kind of humorous to realize I took the bait,though.


"So do they deserve help, or should they be abandoned?"

Noone here said they deserve to be abandoned,which was inferred in the answer given.Cant read between the lines?


"Actually, I think you forgot how for centuries in this country that different denominations quarled for ages. So when you say christian values, you better be specific with which denomination. There is also the part where many deists where part of the founding of this nation. Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson being the most famous and outspoken. Read a history book of that time period. Read about how denominations would fight with each other. Especially durring the colonization."

Im perfectly aware of the level of quarreling that has raged for centuries between the various denominations..and it still doesnt change the fact that this country was founded on christian principles.Be less obvious when side-stepping.

"Sorry, I'm not that straw man you are attacking. Ask me direct questions. Talk to me as an individual because I am an individual. Sorry you are frustrated, but I haven't said much and tend to avoid theology debates here because I have a respect for this place's owners. Though If you just want to beet up a strawman. I'll just sit back and chuckle. "

I made very specific statements and asked you very direct questions,none of which you seem able to account for.To recap,I brought up the obvious double standard imposed by non christians.You criticize us for not following what we teach,but then criticize when we do as well.I gave examples,both recurring and recent.If you need more clarity than that I might suggest some reading comprehension classes.On the other point,I have no problem addressing you as an individual..possibly even one worthy of respect.However,I wouldnt expect much of that when you offer comments such as what I responded to.But again we have the double standard common to the non christian.Im supposed to be tolerant of your comments,yet you are justified in degrading me for my outlook,is that right?Im pretty sure you know it doesnt work that way.


"38,000 denominations and you guys fight over interpretations with each other. You can believe what you want. Doesn't mean I'm going to be convinced by it. Your further attacks on your strawman and your cliche hitler/stalin label also dosen't help you. Its tired and worn out."

The attack you referenced called you out to give answers,to which you failed.And another big side-step executed,good job.



"This is nothing but a big rant of un sourced self pity. Exaggeration and blaming. This entire rant stems from me asking someone set of simple questions. I didn't do anything to you or any of the stuff you just said. You are attacking me and whining to me about stuff that hasn't even happened to you. I have real incidents that have happened to me that I don't talk about because no wants to read my sob story. I don't go around attacking people and I respect the views of others. You don't as your rant just showed. You unloaded your anger you have of other people, heck people you don't even know or even had anything to do with you. You want me to feel sorry for you? No dice. "

Laughable.I brought to the table some facts.Facts about how non christians behave,and the double standard you obviously attempt to impose on us.I asked you very direct questions in relation to that,and you were unable to answer.Further,the events I described are factual and I wasnt aware that they had to be part of my personal past to be documented as such.I really dont buy the statement about your lack of attacks and respecting others,at least in this thread.You may not have the integrity to admit it,but the questions you asked betrayed your own frustrations with subject matter.Feign indifference all you want.Am I angry?Yep,sometimes,thats one thing you did seem to pick up with clarity,congrats.I also get tired of certain things.More than once Ive seen some random non christian use those same questions all the while laying down the foundation for that huge double standard.Most of the time I dismiss it but occasionally it does feel nice to point that out and watch as every single time you guys deny it to the fullest,sidestep the retorts,and then return fire with some random comment just as you did.I try to respect other views,but when those other views are disrespectful and meant purely to instigate,then no I dont respect them.

"Apealing to the blood shed by others and trying elevate your own self to mask that you just attacked a random person you don't even know and laying blame on them for stuff I've never done. Sorry, I see you as the bad person. Not Christianity, you."

Bravo.So,asking you to answer questions..very direct ones..is somehow elevating myself?You do need those comprehension classes.I make no attempt to hide the fact that I replied to your comments with hostility,but its interesting to note the random accusations you have launched throughout this mini-drama,all of which are baseless and frail.Yea,I launched a shot at you..too bad you lack the fortitude to admit doing the same.Hiding behind the facade of innocent questions and being unable to answer for your own thinly-veiled accusations could be construed by some as..cowardice.

Its been fun,and Im sure well do this again sometime.I do genuinely hope our next interaction is a bit more pleasant,as Im sure this wasnt to the benefit of either of us.Till next time.

 

[spartakis]

I felt like I lost hope in this country as being a Christian nation, as we as a country elected a president that calls us a non Christian nation and claims we have more muslims. Them I went to a concert my sons Private School was doing for Thanksgiving. Watching a whole elementary school sing praises to God had tears in my eyes, and brought more hope about our country in general.