Armageddon or Harmagedon

[cyberjosh]

I could equally ask:

Jesus - or - Yeshua? - There is no "Jesus" in the Hebrew Language
James - or - Ya'akov? - There is no "James" in the Hebrew Language
'Bible' - or - 'Scripture'? - "Bible" means book, and never does it refer to itself as the "Bible", only "Scripture"
Alleluia - or - Hallelujah? - It is written "Alleluia" in Rev. 19:3 but Hallelujah in the Hebrew OT.


My point is that this is only semantics if one tries to make any real distinction between the meaning of equivalent words based on legitimate transliterative transformations from one language to another. Thus any perceived difference between "Armageddon" and "Harmagedon" is non-existant. It means Mount of Meggido, near the ancient town of Meggido. If it is spelt differently its only because of the spelling conventions of Greek versus Hebrew, just like how Yeshua in Hebrew is rendered Jesus in Greek. My name is Joshua and it is equivalent to the Hebrew Yehoshua (shortened: Yeshua) which in turn is the equivalent of the Greek form 'Jesus'. They are all the same names, just spelled different ways, but they mean the exact same thing: "Yah Saves".

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[RND]

Nice point Josh.

 

[RND]

Cite something of scholar insight....please. Otherwise your are just citing opinion.

Why don't you show some scholarly proof that I am in error.

Because the burden of proof falls on you. You made the assertion, you need to prove the assertion. That's the way it works. My job is to poke holes in the evidence you provide. No evidence, no case. That's just the way it works.

Besides, I've already used the Bible and simple understanding of simple words to show you are in error.

 

[JudaicChristian]

I could equally ask:

Jesus - or - Yeshua? - There is no "Jesus" in the Hebrew Language
James - or - Ya'akov? - There is no "James" in the Hebrew Language
'Bible' - or - 'Scripture'? - "Bible" means book, and never does it refer to itself as the "Bible", only "Scripture"
Alleluia - or - Hallelujah? - It is written "Alleluia" in Rev. 19:3 but Hallelujah in the Hebrew OT.


My point is that this is only semantics if one tries to make any real distinction between the meaning of equivalent words based on legitimate transliterative transformations from one language to another. Thus any perceived difference between "Armageddon" and "Harmagedon" is non-existant. It means Mount of Meggido, near the ancient town of Meggido. If it is spelt differently its only because of the spelling conventions of Greek versus Hebrew, just like how Yeshua in Hebrew is rendered Jesus in Greek. My name is Joshua and it is equivalent to the Hebrew Yehoshua (shortened: Yeshua) which in turn is the equivalent of the Greek form 'Jesus'. They are all the same names, just spelled different ways, but they mean the exact same thing: "Yah Saves".

God Bless,

~Josh

There is no mountain or hill called Meggidol. There is only a mound of ruins in the valley, and that is not a real hill or mountain. Also, there is no reason for all of Zion to be gathered there.

 

[RND]

Also, there is no reason for all of Zion to be gathered there.

Exactly! So why insist it means that?

 

[JudaicChristian]

Cite something of scholar insight....please. Otherwise your are just citing opinion.

Why don't you show some scholarly proof that I am in error.

Because the burden of proof falls on you. You made the assertion, you need to prove the assertion. That's the way it works. My job is to poke holes in the evidence you provide. No evidence, no case. That's just the way it works.

Besides, I've already used the Bible and simple understanding of simple words to show you are in error.

LOL
:rolling ... Let's see that hole that you have made! :biglaugh

 

[RND]

LOL
:rolling ... Let's see that hole that you have made! :biglaugh

Re-read the thread. Honestly, if you are going to make claims be prepared to back them up. In that you haven't done that you are just left to mockery and buffoonery. And certainly there is nothing "scholarly" in that. :ohwell

 

[JudaicChristian]

LOL
:rolling ... Let's see that hole that you have made! :biglaugh

Re-read the thread. Honestly, if you are going to make claims be prepared to back them up. In that you haven't done that you are just left to mockery and buffoonery. And certainly there is nothing "scholarly" in that. :ohwell

Honestly, I have not stuck my foot in my mouth. If you do not take the time to think about what I am saying, then your going to miss the point. And the point is this: There is no such place, because the word is misspelled. So the question here is, what could that word have been? I propose that the word was most likly "Mount of the Congregation Zion." Scripture informs us that the people of the world are NOT gathered against a mountain or hill called Armageddon, Harmageddon, or Megiddo. However, scripture informs us that the people of the world are gathered against Mount Zion. And that is scriptural. The words "Mount of the Congregation or Assembly" best fit the misspelled word Har Magedon. Is that any help to you?

 

[RND]

Honestly, I have not stuck my foot in my mouth.

Both. to the heals.

If you do not take the time to think about what I am saying, then your going to miss the point. And the point is this: There is no such place, because the word is misspelled.

Actually, there is such a place because it has "symbolic" and not "literal" meaning.

So the question here is, what could that word have been? I propose that the word was most likly "Mount of the Congregation Zion."

Without any Biblical exegesis to back up your assertion. None. "I have a feeling" theology.

Scripture informs us that the people of the world are NOT gathered against a mountain or hill called Armageddon, Harmageddon, or Megiddo. However, scripture informs us that the people of the world are gathered against Mount Zion. And that is scriptural.

So? The two are not in the same place, have the same meaning or relate in the same way symbolically.

The words "Mount of the Congregation or Assembly" best fit the misspelled word Har Magedon.

Again, you've offered nothing, no scholarly work, exegesis, historical documentation, proof text absolutely nothing to suggest, even hint at, that Armageddon is misspelled. Surely you see that.

Is that any help to you?

None. You are simply regurgitating the same thoughts now over and over.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Honestly, I have not stuck my foot in my mouth.

Both. to the heals.

If you do not take the time to think about what I am saying, then your going to miss the point. And the point is this: There is no such place, because the word is misspelled.

Actually, there is such a place because it has "symbolic" and not "literal" meaning.

[quote:2lblhcoy]So the question here is, what could that word have been? I propose that the word was most likly "Mount of the Congregation Zion."

Without any Biblical exegesis to back up your assertion. None. "I have a feeling" theology.

Scripture informs us that the people of the world are NOT gathered against a mountain or hill called Armageddon, Harmageddon, or Megiddo. However, scripture informs us that the people of the world are gathered against Mount Zion. And that is scriptural.

So? The two are not in the same place, have the same meaning or relate in the same way symbolically.

The words "Mount of the Congregation or Assembly" best fit the misspelled word Har Magedon.

Again, you've offered nothing, no scholarly work, exegesis, historical documentation, proof text absolutely nothing to suggest, even hint at, that Armageddon is misspelled. Surely you see that.

Is that any help to you?

None. You are simply regurgitating the same thoughts now over and over.[/quote:2lblhcoy]

• Compare these scriptures.

Isaiah 29:8
as when a hungry man dreams that he is eating, but he awakens, and his hunger remains; as when a thirsty man dreams that he is drinking, but he awakens faint, with his thirst unquenched. So will it be with the hordes of all the nations that fight against Mount Zion.
Revelation 16:13,14 and 16

13. Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14. They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. 16. Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. (Mount of the Congregation Zion)

 

[cyberjosh]

There is no mountain or hill called Meggidol. There is only a mound of ruins in the valley, and that is not a real hill or mountain. Also, there is no reason for all of Zion to be gathered there.

I don't make the rules of Hebrew etymology, I only can point them out. Just because you cannot identify a mountain associated with "Meggido" doesn't change the meaning or etymology of the word 'Harmagedon' one iota. I'm sure if I looked in any real depth I would see plenty of explanations of what 'har' could refer to in relation to Meggido. A cursory look at some commentary produced suggestions of the Fortress at Meggido being refered to as 'har', or the nearby hills. Nonetheless, the etymology remains the same. You cannot prove a contraction as you propose. Such a contraction is not attested to anywhere else that I know of. And even if we do not have a large body of literature to explain Meggido's eschatalogical significance doesn't mean that it will have none, and perhaps the term is symbolic like 'Gehenna' is a symbolic reference to hell via the imagery of the actual Valley of Hinnom to the south of Jerusalem where idolatry was practiced and where also rubbish was burned. A momentous battle in the OT took place in the plains of Meggido once though, so perhaps another momentous battle will take place in the future as well. Who knows. There are several possibilities of the significance of Meggido in eschatology, but I don't think you are stopping to even consider one of them.

~Josh

 

[RND]

• Compare these scriptures.

Isaiah 29:8
as when a hungry man dreams that he is eating, but he awakens, and his hunger remains; as when a thirsty man dreams that he is drinking, but he awakens faint, with his thirst unquenched. So will it be with the hordes of all the nations that fight against Mount Zion.
Revelation 16:13,14 and 16

13. Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14. They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. 16. Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. (Mount of the Congregation Zion)

Brother, I have seen and commented on these. Again, you are simply regurgitating the same thoughts over and over, and over, and over, and over.......

 

[JudaicChristian]

If you guys want to believe that there is a mountain called mt megiddo, then no one is going to stop you.

 

[JudaicChristian]

• Compare these scriptures.

Isaiah 29:8
as when a hungry man dreams that he is eating, but he awakens, and his hunger remains; as when a thirsty man dreams that he is drinking, but he awakens faint, with his thirst unquenched. So will it be with the hordes of all the nations that fight against Mount Zion.
Revelation 16:13,14 and 16

13. Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14. They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. 16. Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon. (Mount of the Congregation Zion)

Brother, I have seen and commented on these. Again, you are simply regurgitating the same thoughts over and over, and over, and over, and over.......

Think about this: Mount Zion is the only mount mentioned in scripture, where people are gathered against them in the last days. Megiddo valley is not a mountain, and there is no such mountain. Someone changed scripture to emphasize the "Church" when there is no such word in scripture. The word Congregation was replaced with the word church. Now who do you think would do that?