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I was looking in the threads and there seems to be nothing really about Judaism. (i know it'a christian website.) You can ask me anything about Judaism or Jews in General. No holding back!
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Julian Pyke
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What do Jews believe?
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Yaacova
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ok....let's restate that... Jews have a problem, I am not ashamed to admit., that when another asks what Jews believe, they start saying, "well...I don't believe." Heres the better question. "What do Jews do?"
Then I will answer your question.
Then I will answer your question.
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yaacova said:
Hi Yaacova: I've heard the following attributed to David Ben Gurion:
"for every two Jews there are three opinions."
It's not so different in Christendom, as 34,000 denominations attests.
Be well, and glad to have you in our midst.
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Julian Pyke
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Ok, what do Jews do? And if you are willing to answer, what they believe?
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Gary
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I follow a Jew. His name is Jesus Christ.
Actually, half-Jew...... His mother was a Jew!
I love studying the Jewish festivals and placing a Christian understanding on them.
Books worth reading are:
I also love several other Jewish authors:
Read any of them?
Best book by Jews is the Bible.... all the 40+ authors were Jews except Luke!
Actually, half-Jew...... His mother was a Jew!
I love studying the Jewish festivals and placing a Christian understanding on them.
Books worth reading are:
- The Seven Festivals of the Messiah - Edward Chumney
Celebrate the Feasts - Martha Zimmerman
I also love several other Jewish authors:
- Sholem Asch - (books like "Salvation", "Song of the Valley", "The Nazarene")
Eli Wiesel - ("A beggar in Jerusalem", "Night", "Messengers of God" etc)
Moses Maimonides - "The Guide for the Perplexed" (He still left me perplexed!)
Michael Brown - "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus"
Read any of them?
Best book by Jews is the Bible.... all the 40+ authors were Jews except Luke!
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Muhsen
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Sick and Insane Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
Gittin 69a. To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were exhibited in Spielbergs "Schindler's List" where the Hollywood director shows a Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and falling into a pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two other Jewish children partially immersed who inform the interloper that this cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own. These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish kids are exposed to constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity and for that matter, in the Talmud as well.
Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Shabbath 86a-86b. Because Jews are holy they do not have sex during the day unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have sex during the day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.
Tales of a Roman Holocaust
Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans.
(Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).
A Revealing Admission
Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether some wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews
Pharisaic Rituals
Erubin 21b (p. 150). "Rabbi Akiba said to him, "Give me some water to wash my hands."
"It will not suffice for drinking," the other complained, "will it suffice for washing your hands?"
"What can I do?' the former replied, "when for neglecting the words of the Rabbis one deserves death? It is better that I myself should die than that I transgress against the opinion of my colleagues." [This is the ritual hand washing condemned by Jesus in Matthew 15: 1-9].
A Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman
Kallah 51a (Soncino Minor Tractates). Teaches that God approves of rabbis who lie: "The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.
"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans. "He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'
Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.
It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."
In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding discussion is actually about Christ (the lad who 'uncovered his head'). The reference to the lad's mother is of course to the mother of Jesus, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in Talmud).
Genocide Advocated by The Talmud
Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed").
This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).
This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].
Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").
Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
Jewish Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are Not Humans
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. We will now list some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave.
Kehuboth 6b. [Now] does it not mean that if he had yet no intercourse [with his wife] he may have intercourse [with her] even on Sabbath? Said Raba: No, except Sabbath. Said Abaye to him: But it says, `until the night following the Sabbath [one gives her] four nights'? Only, said Raba, when he already had intercourse [with her]. If [it were, as you say,] after he already had intercourse, what does he let us hear? He lets us hear that it is allowed to have intercourse on Sabbath, as that [statement] of Samuel [teaches], for Samuel said: One may enter into a narrow opening on Sabbath, although he causes pebbles to break loose.
Uses of Oil of Annointing. Our Rabbis have taught: He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over gentiles [Hebrew: goyim] or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man [Hebrew: adam] shall it not be poured [Exodus 30:32]"; and cattle and vessels are not man [adam]. Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not a man [adam]. But why is one exempt in the case of gentiles [goyim]; are they not in the category of man [adam]?--No, it is written: "And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man [adam] [Ezekiel 34:31]": Ye are called man [adam] but gentiles [goyim] are not called man [adam]. (Ed. but by implication, Cain),
In the above passage, the Rabbis are discussing the Mosaic law which forbids applying holy oil to men. In the discussion, the Rabbis state that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to gentiles, since gentiles are not human beings (literally, Adam, and are by implication, Cain).
Yebamoth 61a: It was taught: And so did R. Simeon ben Yohai state [61a] that the graves of gentiles [goyim] do not impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a grave], for it is said, "And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men [adam]" [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men [adam] but the idolaters are not called men [adam].
The Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or grave imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud here teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a gentile, it does not make him unclean, since gentiles are not human (literally, Adam).
Baba Mezia 114b: Said he [Rabbah] to him: Art thou not a priest: why then dost thou stand in a cemetery? - He replied: Has the Master not studied the laws of purity? For it has been taught: R. Simeon ben Yohai said: The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile, for it is written, "And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men [adam]" [Ezekiel 34:31]; only ye are designated men [Adam].
A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from coming into contact with the graves of humans [adam], and he was standing in a gentile graveyard.
Since the so-called Scriptural proof text (Ezekiel 34:31) repeatedly cited in the above three Talmud passages in reality does not prove that only Jews are human, it is self-evident that the Talmudic sages who asserted the preceding absurdities about Gentiles were already anti-Gentile racists or ideologues who, in desperate search of some proof of their position, distorted an Old Testament passage in order to justify their bigotry. Their ideology came first, their "proof" second.
Berakoth 58a R. Shila administered lashes to a man who had intercourse with an Egyptian woman. The man went and informed against him to the Government, saying: There is a man among the Jews who passes judgment without the permission of the Government. An official was sent to [summon] him. When he came he was asked: Why did you flog that man? He replied: Because he had intercourse with a she-ass.
They said to him: Have you witnesses? He replied: I have. Elijah thereupon came in the form of a man and gave evidence. They said to him: If that is the case he ought to be put to death! He replied: Since we have been exiled from our land, we have no authority to put to death; do with him what you please.
While they were considering his case, R. Shila exclaimed, "Thine, Oh Lord, is the greatness and the power" [1 Chronicles 29:11] What are you saying? they asked him. He replied: What I am saying is this: Blessed is the All-Merciful who has made the earthly royalty on the model of the heavenly, and has invested you with dominion, and made you lovers of justice.
They said to him: Are you so solicitous for the honor of the Government? They handed him a staff and said to him: You may act as judge. When he went out that man said to him: Does the All-Merciful perform miracles for liars?
He replied: Wretch! Are they not called asses? For it is written: "Whose flesh is as the flesh of asses" [Ezekiel 23:20]. He noticed that the man was about to inform them that he had called them asses. He said: This man is a persecutor, and the Torah has said: If a man comes to kill you, rise early and kill him first. So he struck him with the staff and killed him. He then said: Since a miracle has been wrought for me through this verse, I will expound it."
Our apologies for subjecting our readers to the preceding lengthy Talmudic drivel, but it is best to include all of it to demonstrate its depravity.
In addition to having Elijah float down from heaven to deceive the Gentile court, the Talmud teaches that Gentiles are in reality animals, hence Rabbi Shila (and Elijah) did not really lie at all. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this Talmud truth about non-Jews deserves execution, since revealing it makes Gentiles angry and causes persecution of the Jews.
We can only rejoice that the majority of Jews today do not follow such heinous teachings; only a few openly espouse the Talmud as divinely inspired, although unfortunately these few are sometimes to be found in influential leadership positions.
(Parenthetically, the above Scripture proof-text cited by the rabbis, does not prove that Gentiles are not human, being animals. The passage from Ezekiel in the Bible only says that some Egyptians had large sex organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals).
Having sufficiently proven our point from the Talmud, namely that the Talmud teaches that Gentiles are not human [Hebrew: Adam], and are really animals, we will list a few other passages which expound on the Ezekiel 23:20 "proof text", allowing our readers to research them on their own: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a.
The original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only to the saving of Jewish lives. This is demonstrable by referring to Jewish books such as the Hesronot Ha-shas.
The Teachings of Maimonides
We will now examine the post-Talmudic commentator Rambam:
"Moses Maimonides is considered the greatest codifier and philosopher in Jewish history. He is often affectionately referred to as the Rambam, after the initials of his name and title, Rabenu Moshe Ben Maimon (Our Rabbi, Moses son of Maimon)." (Maimonides' Principles, edited by Aryeh Kaplan, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, New York, 1975, pg. 3)
Here is what Maimonides (Rambam) actually taught about saving people's lives, especially about saving the lives of Gentiles and Christians, or even Jews who dared to deny the divine inspiration of the Talmud: Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Moznaim Publishing Corporation, Brooklyn, New York, 1990, Chapter 10, English Translation, pg. 184:
"Accordingly, if we see an idolater being swept away or drowning in the river, we should not help him. If we see that his life is in danger, we should not save him.
It is, however, forbidden to cause one of them to sink or push him into a pit or the like, since he is not waging war against us. To whom does the above apply? To Gentiles" [Hebrew: goyim, found on pg. 185]. (The Hebrew text of the Feldheim 1981 edition of Mishnah Torah has this also).
Immediately after Maimonides' admonition that it is a duty for Jews not to save a drowning or perishing Gentile, he informs us of the Talmudic duty for Jews towards Christians, and also towards Jews who deny the Talmud: Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Chapter 10 English Translation, pg.184:
"It is a mitzvah [religious duty;], however, to eradicate Jewish traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot." The commentary accompanying the preceding statement of Maimonides mentions that Jesus was an example of a min (plural: minnim). The commentary also states that the followers of Tzadok were defined as those Jews who deny the truth of the Talmud and who uphold only the written law (i.e. the Old Testament).
According to Maimonides' "Principles," pg. 5, Maimonides "spent twelve years extracting every decision and law from the Talmud, and arranging them all into 14 systematic volumes. The work was finally completed in 1180, and was called Mishnah Torah, or 'Code of the Torah'."
Maimonides asserted that it is the duty of Jews to save only Jews. Ordinary Gentiles are to be allowed to perish, but not actively killed, except during war; while Christians and Jewish so-called heretics are to be executed.
And there is more: "As for Gentiles, the basic talmudic principle is that their lives must not be saved, although it is also forbidden to murder them outright. The Talmud itself [Abodah Zarah 26b] expresses this in the maxim 'Gentiles are neither to be lifted [out of a well] nor hauled down [into it]'.
Maimonides explains [in Mishnah Torah 4:11]: 'As for Gentiles with whom we are not at war ... their death must not be caused, but it is forbidden to save them if they are at the point of death; if, for example, one of them is seen falling into the sea, he should not be rescued, for it is written: 'neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy fellow [Leviticus 19:16]' - but [a Gentile] is not thy fellow." (Jewish History, Jewish Religion, by Israel Shahak, Pluto Press, London, Boulder, Colorado, pg. 80).
It is not too surprising that Maimonides would have taught this concerning saving the lives of Gentiles.
Maimonides taught in another section of the Mishnah Torah that Gentiles are not human: "Man alone, and not vessels, can contract uncleanness by carriage. ... The corpse of a Gentile, however, does not convey uncleanness by overshadowing. ... a Gentile does not contract corpse uncleanness; and if a Gentile touches, carries, or overshadows a corpse he is as one who did not touch it. To what is this like? It is like a beast which touches a corpse or overshadows it. And this applies not to corpse uncleanness only but to any other kind of uncleanness: neither Gentiles nor cattle are susceptible to any uncleanness." (The Code of Maimonides, Book Ten, translated by Herbert Danby, Yale University Press, New Haven, 1954, pgs. 8-9).
The Talmud (i.e., the Babylonian Talmud) text of Sanhedrin 37a restricts the duty to save life to saving only Jewish lives. The censorship book, written by Jews (Hesronot Ha-shas), notes that the Talmud texts which use the universalist phrase, "Whoever destroys the life of a single human being ... it is as if he had destroyed an entire world; and whoever preserves the life of a single human being ... it is as if he had preserved an entire world," have been censored (tampered with).
In other words, this universalist rendering is not the authentic text of the Talmud and thus, for example, this universalist version which Steven Spielberg in his movie, "Schindler's List" attributed to the Talmud (and which became the motto of the movie on posters and in advertisements), is not from the authentic Talmud, but rather constitutes propaganda intended to give a humanistic gloss to a Talmud which is, in its essence, racist and chauvinist hate literature.
In the authentic, original Talmud text it states that "whoever preserves a single soul of Israel, it is as if he had preserved an entire world" (emphasis supplied). The Talmud sanctions only the saving of Jewish lives. This is upheld by the modern editions of the Talmud.
The most recent translation of even the Jerusalem Talmud restricts the blessing for saving life to saving only a Jewish life. Though the Talmud passage at issue (Sanhedrin Mishnah 4.5/Sanhedrin 37a) mentions Adam, this does not prove that the passage's original intent was universal, since the Talmud elsewhere teaches that Gentiles are not Adam, but are in fact animals.
The greatest of all Talmud codifiers, Moses Maimonides, taught that Gentiles on the point of death should not be saved, and Christians should be killed.
Deception and Dissimulation
The respopnse of the orthodox rabbis to documentation regarding the racism and hatred in the Talmud is simply to brazenly lie, in keeping with the Talmud's Baba Kamma 113a which states that Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile. The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a powerful, multi-million dollar rabbinical propaganda center dispatched Rabbi Daniel Landes in 1995 to deny that the Talmud dehumanizes non-Jews. "This is utter rot," he said. His proof? Why, his word, of course.
We however, in this writing, have furnished the reader with documentation direct from the original Talmudic texts, as well as from the writings of the Jews' own "greatest" Talmud authority, Moses Maimonides.
In 1994, Rabbi Tzvi Marx, director of Applied Education at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, made a remarkable admission concerning how Jews in the past have issued two sets of texts: the authentic Talmudic texts and commentaries with which they instruct their own youth in the Talmud schools (kollels) and "censured and amended" versions which they disseminate to the gullible goyim (non-Jews) for public consumption.
Rabbi Marx states that in the version of Maimonides' teachings published for public consumption, Maimonides is made to say that whoever kills a human being transgresses the law.
But, Rabbi Marx points out "... that this only reflects the censured and amended printed text, whereas the original manuscripts have it only as "whoever kills an Israelite." ("Tikkun: A Bi-Monthly Jewish Critique," May-June, 1994).
The Jewish book, "Hesronot Ha-shas" (i.e. "that which is removed from the Talmud," cf. William Popper, "The Censorship of Hebrew Books," p. 59), is important in this regard.
"Hesronot Ha-shas" was reprinted in 1989 by Sinai Publishing of Tel-Aviv. Hesronot Ha-shas is valuable because it lists some of the original Talmud texts that were later changed or omitted, with the resulting falsified texts nowadays being cited for Gentile consumption as authentic.
Popper (pp. 58-59), states: "It was not always that long passages ... were censored ... but often single words alone were omitted; ... Often, in these cases, another method of correction was used in place of omission - substitution."
Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, the translator of the most recent English version of the Babylonian Talmud, says, "Indeed, almost every passage dealing with non-Jews must be suspected of having undergone some change." (Talmud Reference Guide, by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, Random House, New York, 1989, p. 50).
For example, the translators of the English Soncino version of the Talmud sometimes translate the Hebrew word goyim (Gentiles) under any number of terms such as "heathen, Cuthean, Egyptian, idolater" etc. But these are actually references to Gentiles (all non-Jews). In footnote 5 of the Soncino edition Talmud it is stated: "Cuthean (Samaritan) was here substituted for the original goy ..." Christians are sometimes referred to by the code word Min or Minim.
It is the standard disinformation practice of the Pharisees to deny the existence of the racist Talmudic passages we have cited, in order to claim that such passages are the "fabrications of 'anti-Semites'."
In 1994, the 80 year old Dowager Lady Jane Birdwood was arrested and prosecuted in a criminal court in London, England for the "crime" of publishing in her pamphlet, "The Longest Hatred," the truthful statement that the Talmud contains anti-Gentile and anti-Christian passages.
In the course of her trial, which was ignored by the U.S. media, a rabbi was called as a prosecution witness. The rabbi proceeded to flatly deny that the Talmud contained anti-Gentile and anti-Christ passages and on the basis of the rabbi's "prestige," the old woman was convicted and sentenced to three months in jail and fined the equivalent of $1,000.
We have here provided the reader with authentic documentary passages from the Talmud proving that the Talmud constitutes Jewish supremacist hate literature. Hebrew University Professor Israel Shahak, in his monumental 1994 work, Jewish History, Jewish Religion (Pluto Press), has also confirmed the hate and racism contained in the Talmud. Those Jews who deny the actual contents of the Talmud are liars (John 8:44; Titus 1:14).
Christian Response to The Talmud
The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches have denounced the Satanic nature of the Talmud, its racism and venomous hatred for non-Jews and have ordered its destruction and its public burning many times in the last millennium.
Published By Warrant of John 18:37; Matthew 23:13-15; I Thessalonians 2:14-16; Titus 1:14; Luke 3:8-9; Revelation 3:9.
Gittin 69a. To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were exhibited in Spielbergs "Schindler's List" where the Hollywood director shows a Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and falling into a pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two other Jewish children partially immersed who inform the interloper that this cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own. These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish kids are exposed to constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity and for that matter, in the Talmud as well.
Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Shabbath 86a-86b. Because Jews are holy they do not have sex during the day unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have sex during the day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.
Tales of a Roman Holocaust
Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans.
(Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).
A Revealing Admission
Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether some wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews
Pharisaic Rituals
Erubin 21b (p. 150). "Rabbi Akiba said to him, "Give me some water to wash my hands."
"It will not suffice for drinking," the other complained, "will it suffice for washing your hands?"
"What can I do?' the former replied, "when for neglecting the words of the Rabbis one deserves death? It is better that I myself should die than that I transgress against the opinion of my colleagues." [This is the ritual hand washing condemned by Jesus in Matthew 15: 1-9].
A Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman
Kallah 51a (Soncino Minor Tractates). Teaches that God approves of rabbis who lie: "The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.
"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans. "He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'
Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.
It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."
In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding discussion is actually about Christ (the lad who 'uncovered his head'). The reference to the lad's mother is of course to the mother of Jesus, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in Talmud).
Genocide Advocated by The Talmud
Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed").
This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).
This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].
Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").
Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
Jewish Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are Not Humans
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. We will now list some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave.
Kehuboth 6b. [Now] does it not mean that if he had yet no intercourse [with his wife] he may have intercourse [with her] even on Sabbath? Said Raba: No, except Sabbath. Said Abaye to him: But it says, `until the night following the Sabbath [one gives her] four nights'? Only, said Raba, when he already had intercourse [with her]. If [it were, as you say,] after he already had intercourse, what does he let us hear? He lets us hear that it is allowed to have intercourse on Sabbath, as that [statement] of Samuel [teaches], for Samuel said: One may enter into a narrow opening on Sabbath, although he causes pebbles to break loose.
Uses of Oil of Annointing. Our Rabbis have taught: He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over gentiles [Hebrew: goyim] or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man [Hebrew: adam] shall it not be poured [Exodus 30:32]"; and cattle and vessels are not man [adam]. Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not a man [adam]. But why is one exempt in the case of gentiles [goyim]; are they not in the category of man [adam]?--No, it is written: "And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man [adam] [Ezekiel 34:31]": Ye are called man [adam] but gentiles [goyim] are not called man [adam]. (Ed. but by implication, Cain),
In the above passage, the Rabbis are discussing the Mosaic law which forbids applying holy oil to men. In the discussion, the Rabbis state that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to gentiles, since gentiles are not human beings (literally, Adam, and are by implication, Cain).
Yebamoth 61a: It was taught: And so did R. Simeon ben Yohai state [61a] that the graves of gentiles [goyim] do not impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a grave], for it is said, "And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men [adam]" [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men [adam] but the idolaters are not called men [adam].
The Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or grave imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud here teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a gentile, it does not make him unclean, since gentiles are not human (literally, Adam).
Baba Mezia 114b: Said he [Rabbah] to him: Art thou not a priest: why then dost thou stand in a cemetery? - He replied: Has the Master not studied the laws of purity? For it has been taught: R. Simeon ben Yohai said: The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile, for it is written, "And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men [adam]" [Ezekiel 34:31]; only ye are designated men [Adam].
A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from coming into contact with the graves of humans [adam], and he was standing in a gentile graveyard.
Since the so-called Scriptural proof text (Ezekiel 34:31) repeatedly cited in the above three Talmud passages in reality does not prove that only Jews are human, it is self-evident that the Talmudic sages who asserted the preceding absurdities about Gentiles were already anti-Gentile racists or ideologues who, in desperate search of some proof of their position, distorted an Old Testament passage in order to justify their bigotry. Their ideology came first, their "proof" second.
Berakoth 58a R. Shila administered lashes to a man who had intercourse with an Egyptian woman. The man went and informed against him to the Government, saying: There is a man among the Jews who passes judgment without the permission of the Government. An official was sent to [summon] him. When he came he was asked: Why did you flog that man? He replied: Because he had intercourse with a she-ass.
They said to him: Have you witnesses? He replied: I have. Elijah thereupon came in the form of a man and gave evidence. They said to him: If that is the case he ought to be put to death! He replied: Since we have been exiled from our land, we have no authority to put to death; do with him what you please.
While they were considering his case, R. Shila exclaimed, "Thine, Oh Lord, is the greatness and the power" [1 Chronicles 29:11] What are you saying? they asked him. He replied: What I am saying is this: Blessed is the All-Merciful who has made the earthly royalty on the model of the heavenly, and has invested you with dominion, and made you lovers of justice.
They said to him: Are you so solicitous for the honor of the Government? They handed him a staff and said to him: You may act as judge. When he went out that man said to him: Does the All-Merciful perform miracles for liars?
He replied: Wretch! Are they not called asses? For it is written: "Whose flesh is as the flesh of asses" [Ezekiel 23:20]. He noticed that the man was about to inform them that he had called them asses. He said: This man is a persecutor, and the Torah has said: If a man comes to kill you, rise early and kill him first. So he struck him with the staff and killed him. He then said: Since a miracle has been wrought for me through this verse, I will expound it."
Our apologies for subjecting our readers to the preceding lengthy Talmudic drivel, but it is best to include all of it to demonstrate its depravity.
In addition to having Elijah float down from heaven to deceive the Gentile court, the Talmud teaches that Gentiles are in reality animals, hence Rabbi Shila (and Elijah) did not really lie at all. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this Talmud truth about non-Jews deserves execution, since revealing it makes Gentiles angry and causes persecution of the Jews.
We can only rejoice that the majority of Jews today do not follow such heinous teachings; only a few openly espouse the Talmud as divinely inspired, although unfortunately these few are sometimes to be found in influential leadership positions.
(Parenthetically, the above Scripture proof-text cited by the rabbis, does not prove that Gentiles are not human, being animals. The passage from Ezekiel in the Bible only says that some Egyptians had large sex organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals).
Having sufficiently proven our point from the Talmud, namely that the Talmud teaches that Gentiles are not human [Hebrew: Adam], and are really animals, we will list a few other passages which expound on the Ezekiel 23:20 "proof text", allowing our readers to research them on their own: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a.
The original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only to the saving of Jewish lives. This is demonstrable by referring to Jewish books such as the Hesronot Ha-shas.
The Teachings of Maimonides
We will now examine the post-Talmudic commentator Rambam:
"Moses Maimonides is considered the greatest codifier and philosopher in Jewish history. He is often affectionately referred to as the Rambam, after the initials of his name and title, Rabenu Moshe Ben Maimon (Our Rabbi, Moses son of Maimon)." (Maimonides' Principles, edited by Aryeh Kaplan, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, New York, 1975, pg. 3)
Here is what Maimonides (Rambam) actually taught about saving people's lives, especially about saving the lives of Gentiles and Christians, or even Jews who dared to deny the divine inspiration of the Talmud: Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Moznaim Publishing Corporation, Brooklyn, New York, 1990, Chapter 10, English Translation, pg. 184:
"Accordingly, if we see an idolater being swept away or drowning in the river, we should not help him. If we see that his life is in danger, we should not save him.
It is, however, forbidden to cause one of them to sink or push him into a pit or the like, since he is not waging war against us. To whom does the above apply? To Gentiles" [Hebrew: goyim, found on pg. 185]. (The Hebrew text of the Feldheim 1981 edition of Mishnah Torah has this also).
Immediately after Maimonides' admonition that it is a duty for Jews not to save a drowning or perishing Gentile, he informs us of the Talmudic duty for Jews towards Christians, and also towards Jews who deny the Talmud: Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Chapter 10 English Translation, pg.184:
"It is a mitzvah [religious duty;], however, to eradicate Jewish traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot." The commentary accompanying the preceding statement of Maimonides mentions that Jesus was an example of a min (plural: minnim). The commentary also states that the followers of Tzadok were defined as those Jews who deny the truth of the Talmud and who uphold only the written law (i.e. the Old Testament).
According to Maimonides' "Principles," pg. 5, Maimonides "spent twelve years extracting every decision and law from the Talmud, and arranging them all into 14 systematic volumes. The work was finally completed in 1180, and was called Mishnah Torah, or 'Code of the Torah'."
Maimonides asserted that it is the duty of Jews to save only Jews. Ordinary Gentiles are to be allowed to perish, but not actively killed, except during war; while Christians and Jewish so-called heretics are to be executed.
And there is more: "As for Gentiles, the basic talmudic principle is that their lives must not be saved, although it is also forbidden to murder them outright. The Talmud itself [Abodah Zarah 26b] expresses this in the maxim 'Gentiles are neither to be lifted [out of a well] nor hauled down [into it]'.
Maimonides explains [in Mishnah Torah 4:11]: 'As for Gentiles with whom we are not at war ... their death must not be caused, but it is forbidden to save them if they are at the point of death; if, for example, one of them is seen falling into the sea, he should not be rescued, for it is written: 'neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy fellow [Leviticus 19:16]' - but [a Gentile] is not thy fellow." (Jewish History, Jewish Religion, by Israel Shahak, Pluto Press, London, Boulder, Colorado, pg. 80).
It is not too surprising that Maimonides would have taught this concerning saving the lives of Gentiles.
Maimonides taught in another section of the Mishnah Torah that Gentiles are not human: "Man alone, and not vessels, can contract uncleanness by carriage. ... The corpse of a Gentile, however, does not convey uncleanness by overshadowing. ... a Gentile does not contract corpse uncleanness; and if a Gentile touches, carries, or overshadows a corpse he is as one who did not touch it. To what is this like? It is like a beast which touches a corpse or overshadows it. And this applies not to corpse uncleanness only but to any other kind of uncleanness: neither Gentiles nor cattle are susceptible to any uncleanness." (The Code of Maimonides, Book Ten, translated by Herbert Danby, Yale University Press, New Haven, 1954, pgs. 8-9).
The Talmud (i.e., the Babylonian Talmud) text of Sanhedrin 37a restricts the duty to save life to saving only Jewish lives. The censorship book, written by Jews (Hesronot Ha-shas), notes that the Talmud texts which use the universalist phrase, "Whoever destroys the life of a single human being ... it is as if he had destroyed an entire world; and whoever preserves the life of a single human being ... it is as if he had preserved an entire world," have been censored (tampered with).
In other words, this universalist rendering is not the authentic text of the Talmud and thus, for example, this universalist version which Steven Spielberg in his movie, "Schindler's List" attributed to the Talmud (and which became the motto of the movie on posters and in advertisements), is not from the authentic Talmud, but rather constitutes propaganda intended to give a humanistic gloss to a Talmud which is, in its essence, racist and chauvinist hate literature.
In the authentic, original Talmud text it states that "whoever preserves a single soul of Israel, it is as if he had preserved an entire world" (emphasis supplied). The Talmud sanctions only the saving of Jewish lives. This is upheld by the modern editions of the Talmud.
The most recent translation of even the Jerusalem Talmud restricts the blessing for saving life to saving only a Jewish life. Though the Talmud passage at issue (Sanhedrin Mishnah 4.5/Sanhedrin 37a) mentions Adam, this does not prove that the passage's original intent was universal, since the Talmud elsewhere teaches that Gentiles are not Adam, but are in fact animals.
The greatest of all Talmud codifiers, Moses Maimonides, taught that Gentiles on the point of death should not be saved, and Christians should be killed.
Deception and Dissimulation
The respopnse of the orthodox rabbis to documentation regarding the racism and hatred in the Talmud is simply to brazenly lie, in keeping with the Talmud's Baba Kamma 113a which states that Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile. The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a powerful, multi-million dollar rabbinical propaganda center dispatched Rabbi Daniel Landes in 1995 to deny that the Talmud dehumanizes non-Jews. "This is utter rot," he said. His proof? Why, his word, of course.
We however, in this writing, have furnished the reader with documentation direct from the original Talmudic texts, as well as from the writings of the Jews' own "greatest" Talmud authority, Moses Maimonides.
In 1994, Rabbi Tzvi Marx, director of Applied Education at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, made a remarkable admission concerning how Jews in the past have issued two sets of texts: the authentic Talmudic texts and commentaries with which they instruct their own youth in the Talmud schools (kollels) and "censured and amended" versions which they disseminate to the gullible goyim (non-Jews) for public consumption.
Rabbi Marx states that in the version of Maimonides' teachings published for public consumption, Maimonides is made to say that whoever kills a human being transgresses the law.
But, Rabbi Marx points out "... that this only reflects the censured and amended printed text, whereas the original manuscripts have it only as "whoever kills an Israelite." ("Tikkun: A Bi-Monthly Jewish Critique," May-June, 1994).
The Jewish book, "Hesronot Ha-shas" (i.e. "that which is removed from the Talmud," cf. William Popper, "The Censorship of Hebrew Books," p. 59), is important in this regard.
"Hesronot Ha-shas" was reprinted in 1989 by Sinai Publishing of Tel-Aviv. Hesronot Ha-shas is valuable because it lists some of the original Talmud texts that were later changed or omitted, with the resulting falsified texts nowadays being cited for Gentile consumption as authentic.
Popper (pp. 58-59), states: "It was not always that long passages ... were censored ... but often single words alone were omitted; ... Often, in these cases, another method of correction was used in place of omission - substitution."
Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, the translator of the most recent English version of the Babylonian Talmud, says, "Indeed, almost every passage dealing with non-Jews must be suspected of having undergone some change." (Talmud Reference Guide, by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, Random House, New York, 1989, p. 50).
For example, the translators of the English Soncino version of the Talmud sometimes translate the Hebrew word goyim (Gentiles) under any number of terms such as "heathen, Cuthean, Egyptian, idolater" etc. But these are actually references to Gentiles (all non-Jews). In footnote 5 of the Soncino edition Talmud it is stated: "Cuthean (Samaritan) was here substituted for the original goy ..." Christians are sometimes referred to by the code word Min or Minim.
It is the standard disinformation practice of the Pharisees to deny the existence of the racist Talmudic passages we have cited, in order to claim that such passages are the "fabrications of 'anti-Semites'."
In 1994, the 80 year old Dowager Lady Jane Birdwood was arrested and prosecuted in a criminal court in London, England for the "crime" of publishing in her pamphlet, "The Longest Hatred," the truthful statement that the Talmud contains anti-Gentile and anti-Christian passages.
In the course of her trial, which was ignored by the U.S. media, a rabbi was called as a prosecution witness. The rabbi proceeded to flatly deny that the Talmud contained anti-Gentile and anti-Christ passages and on the basis of the rabbi's "prestige," the old woman was convicted and sentenced to three months in jail and fined the equivalent of $1,000.
We have here provided the reader with authentic documentary passages from the Talmud proving that the Talmud constitutes Jewish supremacist hate literature. Hebrew University Professor Israel Shahak, in his monumental 1994 work, Jewish History, Jewish Religion (Pluto Press), has also confirmed the hate and racism contained in the Talmud. Those Jews who deny the actual contents of the Talmud are liars (John 8:44; Titus 1:14).
Christian Response to The Talmud
The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches have denounced the Satanic nature of the Talmud, its racism and venomous hatred for non-Jews and have ordered its destruction and its public burning many times in the last millennium.
Published By Warrant of John 18:37; Matthew 23:13-15; I Thessalonians 2:14-16; Titus 1:14; Luke 3:8-9; Revelation 3:9.
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Julian Pyke said:
There are three things that are the base of the Jewish Religion.
1. Study of the 5 books of Torah
2. Expiriance of the Torah.
3. and Action by mizvot (good deeds)
You don't have to believe anything to be Jewish, you don't even have to believe in G-d necissarily. Those three things are the base of Jewish religion and all the traditions and other things are more on the side of that.[/b]
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Gary_Bee said:I follow a Jew. His name is Jesus Christ.
Actually, half-Jew...... His mother was a Jew!
I love studying the Jewish festivals and placing a Christian understanding on them.
Books worth reading are:
- The Seven Festivals of the Messiah - Edward Chumney
Celebrate the Feasts - Martha Zimmerman
I also love several other Jewish authors:
- Sholem Asch - (books like "Salvation", "Song of the Valley", "The Nazarene")
Eli Wiesel - ("A beggar in Jerusalem", "Night", "Messengers of God" etc)
Moses Maimonides - "The Guide for the Perplexed" (He still left me perplexed!)
Michael Brown - "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus"
Read any of them?
Best book by Jews is the Bible.... all the 40+ authors were Jews except Luke!
I really like your attitude and your support. Thank you.
I can say different for the post below you.
And, no, I haven't read those books.
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To Muhsen: First of all did you have a question?
Second of all are you Jewish and what makes it right for you to make a list of all, I won't call them lies and I won't call them sins either. It's just a list. The Talmud is not the Torah. Jews don't study the Talmud for examples about how Jews should live, that's the Torah. The Talmud is only a bunch of stories with criticizm and commentary.
If these things were true, everyone makes mistakes, and everyone sins. The Jews were alive for millions of years, and if those were our only sins, that's pretty darn good. I'm not saying sin is good, I'm sayingIf you want to make a list of a cultures history, maybe you need help from someone from that culture.
Most of the examples in there are not bad. No, a Rabbi cannot go to Hell, maybe if he's really corrupt, but no he cannot. Jews don't even believe in a hell, so why would we go there? And a Rabbi debates G-d? Why do you have that in there? He won, that's a good thing.
How about when scientists can convice everyone that evolution, or some other theory other than G-d did it, will you call the bible a liar? Would you order it burned?
If all your trying to do is tell me what I already know, don't post here. But if you have a question, I'll be glad to help. But that doesn't make Jews bad people, and you know it. I won't defend myself in my own thread, I won't go that low.
Second of all are you Jewish and what makes it right for you to make a list of all, I won't call them lies and I won't call them sins either. It's just a list. The Talmud is not the Torah. Jews don't study the Talmud for examples about how Jews should live, that's the Torah. The Talmud is only a bunch of stories with criticizm and commentary.
If these things were true, everyone makes mistakes, and everyone sins. The Jews were alive for millions of years, and if those were our only sins, that's pretty darn good. I'm not saying sin is good, I'm sayingIf you want to make a list of a cultures history, maybe you need help from someone from that culture.
Most of the examples in there are not bad. No, a Rabbi cannot go to Hell, maybe if he's really corrupt, but no he cannot. Jews don't even believe in a hell, so why would we go there? And a Rabbi debates G-d? Why do you have that in there? He won, that's a good thing.
How about when scientists can convice everyone that evolution, or some other theory other than G-d did it, will you call the bible a liar? Would you order it burned?
If all your trying to do is tell me what I already know, don't post here. But if you have a question, I'll be glad to help. But that doesn't make Jews bad people, and you know it. I won't defend myself in my own thread, I won't go that low.
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Yaacova said:
Something like Noah's Ark, or Adam and Eve getting kicked out of the garden of Eden, to what extent would Judaism take these as literal historical events?
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DivineNames said:
As folktales and morals. They are just stories, thats's waht the Torah is. Jews take it literally enough to get the piont these stories are getting.
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What I want to know is, is Jewish food as good as people say it is?
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philbo said:
Definately. Unless you've never had gafiltah fish before. Every Jewish holiday has some special food. On Rosh Hashana, we eat a round challah and dip apples in honey, but there is also briscutte, wine, Matzo ball soup and all sorts of good desserts!
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Shalom YacoovaYaacova said:
And welcome please don't mind Mushen he just can't help it he is from palestine (the never land) and if he could he probably would blow you to pieces. Have you read the Tanak? do you understand ivrit? do you live in Yisrael or abroade I have a lot to ask you but right now I have to go to church so I will ask you later
l'hitraot
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YESHUA said:
I haven't read the whole Torah, but I have read from it in services, I am up to 14 portions of the Torah and heading torwards 15.
I do speak hebrew, (not very well) but I have never been to Israel. Our temple has planned a trip in the year 2007 for 3 weeks for anyone who is willing to pay.
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Why do Jews believe Jesus wasn't the real Savior?
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That site isn't any help to me, can YOU tell em why they don't believe Jesus is the Messaih? Or at least go find teh answer and copy and paste it.
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If these things were true, everyone makes mistakes, and everyone sins. The Jews were alive for millions of years, and if those were our only sins, that's pretty darn good. I'm not saying sin is good, I'm saying If you want to make a list of a cultures history, maybe you need help from someone from that culture.
Just how do you know that the Jews have been around for millions of years?
Most of the examples in there are not bad. No, a Rabbi cannot go to Hell, maybe if he's really corrupt, but no he cannot. Jews don't even believe in a hell, so why would we go there? And a Rabbi debates G-d? Why do you have that in there? He won, that's a good thing.
Yes a Rabbi can go to hell do you think that being a Rabbi place him above the law?
How about when scientists can convice everyone that evolution, or some other theory other than G-d did it, will you call the bible a liar? Would you order it burned?
As folktales and morals. They are just stories, thats's waht the Torah is. Jews take it literally enough to get the piont these stories are getting.
You called the Bible a story book your self why? If the Torah is just a book filed with stories why don't just read Hans Christian Andersen it would be more rewarding wouldn't it? I really don't understand Jews they have the Torah the Eretz Yisrael and guess what their are willing to give it to their enemies lock, stock and barrel, they gave birth to Jesus the greatest man ever to be born and HE brought salvation to this dying world, and now look what is going on in the land of your ancestor
You have heard about the birthright trip to Yisrael? Its called b'nai something I really can't remember other than it was something about birthright that gave you a free trip to Yisrael hoping that you would make aliyah.
What would it take for you to make aliyah? I hope that you don't live in N.Y.C because next year the possibility of an attack is every real.
And I will ask you to tell me something if you would of course.
Do you believe that the book of David is a story as well? And what about Isaiah, Jeremiah and Daniel are those just stories as well? If this is the case then you don't have any claim to Eretz Yisrael and just as well you don't live there.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the greatest man ever to have been born by a Jewish mother Miriam.
Just how do you know that the Jews have been around for millions of years?
Most of the examples in there are not bad. No, a Rabbi cannot go to Hell, maybe if he's really corrupt, but no he cannot. Jews don't even believe in a hell, so why would we go there? And a Rabbi debates G-d? Why do you have that in there? He won, that's a good thing.
Yes a Rabbi can go to hell do you think that being a Rabbi place him above the law?
How about when scientists can convice everyone that evolution, or some other theory other than G-d did it, will you call the bible a liar? Would you order it burned?
As folktales and morals. They are just stories, thats's waht the Torah is. Jews take it literally enough to get the piont these stories are getting.
You called the Bible a story book your self why? If the Torah is just a book filed with stories why don't just read Hans Christian Andersen it would be more rewarding wouldn't it? I really don't understand Jews they have the Torah the Eretz Yisrael and guess what their are willing to give it to their enemies lock, stock and barrel, they gave birth to Jesus the greatest man ever to be born and HE brought salvation to this dying world, and now look what is going on in the land of your ancestor
You have heard about the birthright trip to Yisrael? Its called b'nai something I really can't remember other than it was something about birthright that gave you a free trip to Yisrael hoping that you would make aliyah.
What would it take for you to make aliyah? I hope that you don't live in N.Y.C because next year the possibility of an attack is every real.
And I will ask you to tell me something if you would of course.
Do you believe that the book of David is a story as well? And what about Isaiah, Jeremiah and Daniel are those just stories as well? If this is the case then you don't have any claim to Eretz Yisrael and just as well you don't live there.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the greatest man ever to have been born by a Jewish mother Miriam.