Assemblies Pentecostalism

[MickeyDD]

Okay, I know this will strike a polemic debate but bare with me. It's a long story but I got involved in an Assemblies of God Pentecostal church and know what doctrine they preach from the pulpit. To say they have an Arminian view of soteriology is an understatement.

Concerning the Assemblies of God Pentecostal church I have come to a conclusion.
"kosmos” one of the Greek words used for world in the N.T. is the world order system of arrangement. It is the present world system that Satan has organized of unbelieving mankind on principles of force, greed, ambition, selfishness and success of a worldly sort pertaining to wealth, material possessions and power. The world system is imposing and powerful, possessing armies and military forces. BUT - religious, cultured, scientific and elegant but full of national rivalries and ambitions as well as commercial and individual rivalries and ambitions: Full of pride. It is dominated by satanic principles and upheld by armed forces. (Scofield notes paraphrased and abridged by me)
It includes the education system, governments and entertainment system.

What I have discovered beyond the surface meaning of the text of Galatians 1 and having a basic understanding of what the kosmos truly is, it’s not like most Christians [babies] think it is. It’s also very subtle and deceiving, not an obvious blatant evil in your face but also consists of culture, elegance, and complex religious systems WITHIN CHRISTIANITY! And who controls the world system (rhetorical)? “ Another gospel”, in its many subtle seductive forms, is so close to the gospel itself that the masses flock to it in all deception! Paul also speaks of receiving “another spirit which we have not received.” So what spirit, or familiar spirits do these people receive in those churches? Can it be so, that there are churches within Christian denominations that consist of mainly tares?
The seriousness of this is far beyond what most think. A perversion of the gospel of the grace of God that denies the sufficiency of grace alone to save, keep and perfect the saints and mixes and adds some form of human merit and effort, whether adding more than faith alone for justification or effort to maintain the process through life, sanctification, is no gospel at all. This is nothing less than blasphemy, and who can be saved with a gospel like this? The conclusion is but one. The teachers are under the terrible “ananthema” of God. They destroy the faith of many and will not be held guiltless

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[jasonc]

You quote Scofield who was himself charismatic irc.

 

[MickeyDD]

Actually he was dispensational, a friend of Lewis S Chafer founder of Dallas Theological Seminary. I have read all of Scofield's notes and he was far from being charismatic. He believed in cessation of sign gifts

 

[jasonc]

Actually he was dispensational, a friend of Lewis S Chafer founder of Dallas Theological Seminary. I have read all of Scofield's notes and he was far from being charismatic. He believed in cessation of sign gifts

That's a first as outside of charismatics he is considered less respected .
His mentor Darby was as you say chttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby

 

[follower]

A perversion of the gospel of the grace of God that denies the sufficiency of grace alone to save, keep and perfect the saints and mixes and adds some form of human merit and effort, whether adding more than faith alone for justification or effort to maintain the process through life, sanctification, is no gospel at all.

This seems to be invalid type of perhaps 'circular' reasoning or logic and including assumptions either invalid or completely unproven here.

 

[Ezekiel]

Impressions ! One of the ways the Father speaks to our mind. This can be misunderstood. People can really go off on them. Some visions take a life time to unfold and understand, just as Joseph when his brothers got rid of him or it can happen tomorrow. But study the books will help and this way God can lead you thru His Word. Its all about interpretations of the vision, God's Words. I rather understand what I see instead of going off not knowing. Like some of mine seeing a new earth in daylight in my front yard, or seeing planets and star flashing as thousands of years in seconds, or Satan fallen from heaven, or when asking God about the two witnesses, and I stood in the middle of a tornado watching two clowns in the middle on a merry go round, and stand and think about and search til they are understood. Some may just go to it but I'm slow. Both ways God is speaking

 

[Vinny37]

Okay, I know this will strike a polemic debate but bare with me. It's a long story but I got involved in an Assemblies of God Pentecostal church and know what doctrine they prea

Okay, I know this will strike a polemic debate but bare with me. It's a long story but I got involved in an Assemblies of God Pentecostal church and know what doctrine they preach from the pulpit. To say they have an Arminian view of soteriology is an understatement.

Concerning the Assemblies of God Pentecostal church I have come to a conclusion.
"kosmos” one of the Greek words used for world in the N.T. is the world order system of arrangement. It is the present world system that Satan has organized of unbelieving mankind on principles of force, greed, ambition, selfishness and success of a worldly sort pertaining to wealth, material possessions and power. The world system is imposing and powerful, possessing armies and military forces. BUT - religious, cultured, scientific and elegant but full of national rivalries and ambitions as well as commercial and individual rivalries and ambitions: Full of pride. It is dominated by satanic principles and upheld by armed forces. (Scofield notes paraphrased and abridged by me)
It includes the education system, governments and entertainment system.

What I have discovered beyond the surface meaning of the text of Galatians 1 and having a basic understanding of what the kosmos truly is, it’s not like most Christians [babies] think it is. It’s also very subtle and deceiving, not an obvious blatant evil in your face but also consists of culture, elegance, and complex religious systems WITHIN CHRISTIANITY! And who controls the world system (rhetorical)? “ Another gospel”, in its many subtle seductive forms, is so close to the gospel itself that the masses flock to it in all deception! Paul also speaks of receiving “another spirit which we have not received.” So what spirit, or familiar spirits do these people receive in those churches? Can it be so, that there are churches within Christian denominations that consist of mainly tares?
The seriousness of this is far beyond what most think. A perversion of the gospel of the grace of God that denies the sufficiency of grace alone to save, keep and perfect the saints and mixes and adds some form of human merit and effort, whether adding more than faith alone for justification or effort to maintain the process through life, sanctification, is no gospel at all. This is nothing less than blasphemy, and who can be saved with a gospel like this? The conclusion is but one. The teachers are under the terrible “ananthema” of God. They destroy the faith of many and will not be held guiltless

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[an Arminian view of soteriology]. IMO it boils down to God sovereignly having provided salvation into his church, and salvation beyond death, and having given us a delegated sovereignty of election. I have no problem with that.

[the Assemblies of God Pentecostal church]. It is not of course a church: there is one global church with many local churches and differing denominations (Mt.16:18).

[kosmos]. This has a range of biblical meaning, from positive to mainly positively negative. Although it is not Satan’s kingdom, but man’s fallen kingdom, I don’t dispute that the former influences the latter, inciting to violence against God’s kingdom. God’s kingdom also influences the kosmos, and always has in all the world (in a neutral sense of κοσμος).

[most Christians [babies]]. Often Pew-level Christianity might be infantile, and platform-level Christianity likewise, but should we use such terms as potential put-downs, superiority claims, within this forum? We’re all learners.

[WITHIN CHRISTIANITY]. I agree it is naïve to assume that only God influences the church: there are wolves in dog collars, and even good shepherds might have wolves in the heart. C S Lewis warned Anglicanism decades ago; it has decayed even further IMO (https://archive.org/details/fernseedelephant00lewi/page/104/mode/2up). Yet if you imply that AoG/AG (hey, I was brought up in a Scofield touting AoG) touts a false gospel because it touts Arminianism, I’d suggest that that is side-tracking Gal.1:6, where arguably having rightly elected to accept God’s grace in messiah, they have subsequently wrongly backtracked soteriologically, binding themselves to Sinaism—eg weekly sabbath; kosher laws; physical circumcision. In short, it was ‘another’ (αλλον/ἑτερον) gospel—in fact not really good news—which linked messianic salvation with non-messianic systems, syncretism. Paul was not banging on about entrance salvation, but about ongoing salvation ideas which undermined the cross.

[grace alone/faith alone]? “I reject the five Solas/Solae (Onlys)—which the Reformers didn’t come up with—partly because they can sound as if they each stand alone, rather than only together as a package deal (as all being needed), and partly because some do disservice to trinitarianism. Eg, saying Christ alone, formally discounts the father and the spirit as saviour. I replace them with the five necessaria: Scripture is necessary: Scriptura necessaria est; grace is necessary: gratia necessaria est; faith is necessary: fides necessaria est; the cross is necessary: crux necessaria est; giving glory to the trinity is necessary: trinitatem glorificare necessarium est” (https://archive.org/details/prayers-gone-global-exploring-biblical-prayer/page/161/mode/1up).

As F F Bruce once put it, there was plenty of grace under the Law, and is plenty of law under grace. We don’t create the family, but we do have parts to play both as to adoption, and as to family life. It’s good to list, say from Galatians/Ephesians, all the vices which were to be put down, and all the virtues which were to be picked up, and then to ask, To whom was Paul writing? Besides the grace which brought us into Christ’s community and which helps us to become more like him, there’s heavy responsibility on us to do and to sort out certain things. Greek grammar has a passive imperative: we are commanded (our part) to let grace work (God’s part). Eg Rm.12:1-2; Eph.4:22-4—to put off; to put on; to allow.

God’s anathema was a cutting off of the teachers of a different teaching than that which I think you accuse the Assemblies (and presumably many ‘Arminian’ Christian denominations) of.

 

[oldprophet]

You quote Scofield who was himself charismatic irc.

Scofield was not a charismatic