at the psýchaitry need some help speak:)?

[GodsGrace]

A few practical tips on governing the body, which does reflect into the mind/brain.

Functionally, when we eat a diet that is high in animal proteins and dairy, our system generates a likewise high volume of hydrochloric acid. This not only can, but does present the body problems over time. The body is not equipped to deal with and dispose of the high volume of acid. Excess acid deteriorates the organs and hinders the function of the body. It also causes internal inflammations and restricts the flows of fluids in the body. The body has for example 4-5 times more lymphatic fluid than blood. And this is the "waste" system for our internals. When the lymph system slows, trying to eliminate excess acids, the body eventually plugs, and this ends up killing us over time.

The first suggestion I would have for anyone suffering from repeated depression, which is really a SIGNAL from the body that it's having problems, is to eliminate meat/dairy/fish/eggs/wheat/processed sugar-flour/processed oils and processed foods from the diet. Doing this will dramatically reduce the flows of acid into the system and the system will begin a restorative process back to normal functioning.

I'd suggest that within 60-120 days that a marked difference in mind will come about as the stresses from these acids becomes reduced.

There is a short period of adjustment because the body is addicted to the opiates that come from the above listed foods to avoid.

Take care of the body, THE MIND will follow because your body will be functioning apart from the many naturally occurring drugs and acid that are being pumped into the system. Yes, it does take "discipline" to control what we stuff into the pie hole. But that is exactly where 'self control' starts.

WHAT!
You want me to give up chocolate!
And cheese!
And I should exercise self-control to do this!
the chocolate makers and cheese makers would go out of business!!
LOL

Wondering

 

[daninthelionsden]

For me , it's all about a flood of memories, revelations, conclusions about my childhood. Each flood of memories brought about devastating conclusions with each more devastating than the last. At this point I pray I have released all and that there is no more. It was like peeling away the layers of an onion and being more and more horrified at what lie under the next layer. Neurologically, I may have suffered chemical exposure that resulted in some permanent damage that set the ball rolling downhill with pieces of me flying off as the rate of my descent increased. All family members were recruited one by one until there is only my wife and youngest son left. Some fell away instantly with the show of a badge. Others fell away with threats and harassment. Most fell away with envelopes stuffed with tax-free cash. My brother accepted $50k to start recording my phone conversations and began the process of recruitment. My oldest son was in the Navy. He didn't turn so easily so they harassed him and even severely injured him until he basically told me that if I don't get off disability then he is through with me and that the trouble just isn't worth it. My daughter became a psychopath....I fear her.....she split $50k with an FBI informant and "suicided" a young man. It's just devastating. Corporate control and fiat currency have destroyed this country and democracy is a façade about to collapsw under absolute corruption.

 

[smaller]

WHAT!
You want me to give up chocolate!
And cheese!
And I should exercise self-control to do this!
the chocolate makers and cheese makers would go out of business!!
LOL

Wondering

Just sharing stuff I've experienced in the healthy eating arena that I've found personally beneficial and had positive results with for myself. It does stand to a bit of reason that if our body is functioning better through presumably healthy eating our minds will likewise perhaps function better? No smart remarks for my case!

Certainly not claiming anything of an official sorts. It was all experimental for me when I started down vegan road. I'd also recommend dietary changes from guys like Dr. John McDougall, free for the taking on youtube. It was simple good advice.

I don't know how anyone could be healthy overloading their system with acids and compounding mental health issues by piling on medications, which are often also highly acidic based. Just don't think our bodies/minds are made for excess acidic states, long term. Stress adds to the problem and may be related to the problem of excess acids in the body to start with.

It's not like indwelling sin in the flesh and evil present with us don't cause enough problems the way it is. 2 Which is an entirely different arena of internal engagements. For these Jesus "in the midst" of us can assist greatly in sorting through the matters, dividing us, one from the other, by and through faith in Him. But I'm also pretty sure that Jesus never healed anyone instantaneously of being overweight for example. We are left to care for our own walking dust piles, generally speaking. IF I start seeing manna on the ground, I'll call y'all over.

 

[GodsGrace]

Just sharing stuff I've experienced in the healthy eating arena that I've found personally beneficial and had positive results with for myself. It does stand to a bit of reason that if our body is functioning better through presumably healthy eating our minds will likewise perhaps function better? No smart remarks for my case!

Certainly not claiming anything of an official sorts. It was all experimental for me when I started down vegan road. I'd also recommend dietary changes from guys like Dr. John McDougall, free for the taking on youtube. It was simple good advice.

I don't know how anyone could be healthy overloading their system with acids and compounding mental health issues by piling on medications, which are often also highly acidic based. Just don't think our bodies/minds are made for excess acidic states, long term. Stress adds to the problem and may be related to the problem of excess acids in the body to start with.

It's not like indwelling sin in the flesh and evil present with us don't cause enough problems the way it is. 2 Which is an entirely different arena of internal engagements. For these Jesus "in the midst" of us can assist greatly in sorting through the matters, dividing us, one from the other, by and through faith in Him. But I'm also pretty sure that Jesus never healed anyone instantaneously of being overweight for example. We are left to care for our own walking dust piles, generally speaking. IF I start seeing manna on the ground, I'll call y'all over.

You're right smaller. And sugar and salt are poison.
I was just kidding.
But I do love chocolate and cheese - once in a while.

 

[smaller]

For me , it's all about a flood of memories, revelations, conclusions about my childhood. Each flood of memories brought about devastating conclusions with each more devastating than the last. At this point I pray I have released all and that there is no more. It was like peeling away the layers of an onion and being more and more horrified at what lie under the next layer. Neurologically, I may have suffered chemical exposure that resulted in some permanent damage that set the ball rolling downhill with pieces of me flying off as the rate of my descent increased. All family members were recruited one by one until there is only my wife and youngest son left. Some fell away instantly with the show of a badge. Others fell away with threats and harassment. Most fell away with envelopes stuffed with tax-free cash. My brother accepted $50k to start recording my phone conversations and began the process of recruitment. My oldest son was in the Navy. He didn't turn so easily so they harassed him and even severely injured him until he basically told me that if I don't get off disability then he is through with me and that the trouble just isn't worth it. My daughter became a psychopath....I fear her.....she split $50k with an FBI informant and "suicided" a young man. It's just devastating. Corporate control and fiat currency have destroyed this country and democracy is a façade about to collapsw under absolute corruption.

I did a weekend retreat with a preacher by the name of Dave Roberson, man, about 3 decades ago already. I still laugh at one of the tedious tasks of his ministry where he described dealing with the flock with the generally defined starting point as "it all started when I was 12 and my dog got hit by a car."

Yeah, there are plenty of troubles in anyone's life and these problems can really hit home and hardest with family and friends. Sometimes it's just plain old bizarre. I might be able to explain, but explanations don't change things. I have found more life in forgive and FORGET, emp. on FORGET, obviously.

It doesn't pay to look in the rearview mirror. And, if we are led to see only the dire straits ahead, there too is not much hope.

It is best to set anchor by faith in Him that it will all work out, and leave it at that. We are not in the seat to be able to control all things or to be all things to all people. Not possible and most often quite futile to start with. As my wife and I have aged, we see more and more that we have our hands full trying not to be a burden to others.

We also like to turn down the self inflicted drama buttons, as low as they can possibly be dialed. And even then, we still get more drama than we are interested in.

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[smaller]

You're right smaller. And sugar and salt are poison.
I was just kidding.
But I do love chocolate and cheese - once in a while.

Chocolate, preferably organic, in moderation, made with organic sugar is NOT off my list a'tall. There are some fantastic organic-coconut milk chocolate sugar products. The moderation part comes from the 'cost.'

 

[daninthelionsden]

I did a weekend retreat with a preacher by the name of Dave Roberson, man, about 3 decades ago already. I still laugh at one of the tedious tasks of his ministry where he described dealing with the flock with the generally defined starting point as "it all started when I was 12 and my dog got hit by a car."

Yeah, there are plenty of troubles in anyone's life and these problems can really hit home and hardest with family and friends. Sometimes it's just plain old bizarre. I might be able to explain, but explanations don't change things. I have found more life in forgive and FORGET, emp. on FORGET, obviously.

It doesn't pay to look in the rearview mirror. And, if we are led to see only the dire straits ahead, there too is not much hope.

It is best to set anchor by faith in Him that it will all work out, and leave it at that. We are not in the seat to be able to control all things or to be all things to all people. Not possible and most often quite futile to start with. As my wife and I have aged, we see more and more that we have our hands full trying not to be a burden to others.

We also like to turn down the self inflicted drama buttons, as low as they can possibly be dialed. And even then, we still get more drama than we are interested in.

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I appreciate it but, it is much easier said than done and usually by those who have not experienced childhood trauma.

 

[GodsGrace]

Chocolate, preferably organic, in moderation, made with organic sugar is NOT off my list a'tall. There are some fantastic organic-coconut milk chocolate sugar products. The moderation part comes from the 'cost.'

Organic sugar?
Will be investigating.

 

[GodsGrace]

My psychologist started out genuine, but became more and more disingenuous as my employer/disability carrier plied her with more and more money. Same with the next two psychiatrists my employer made me see. If you don't have a corporate bounty on your head then you have a chance at getting real help...but if large corporations have a stake in the outcome, then you will find out something about this country you wish you never knew........how did those lyrics go?.....I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.....

I wish I knew then
What I know now.

 

[daninthelionsden]

I wish I knew then
What I know now.

He reverses the saying in the song "gimme something to believe in"....he reverses it for a reason. All who suffer PTSD know why.

 

[smaller]

I appreciate it but, it is much easier said than done and usually by those who have not experienced childhood trauma.

Who can really relate to your problems but you alone? One of my sons has experienced long term severe chronic pain, which of course can also result in mental torment. He tells me the same thing. Unless you've experienced it you have nothing to say about it. And I TOTALLY agree because I can't relate.

 

[GodsGrace]

He reverses the saying in the song "gimme something to believe in"....he reverses it for a reason. All who suffer PTSD know why.

I get it DitLD.
Better never to have known...
True for many things...

 

[daninthelionsden]

Who can really relate to your problems but you alone? One of my sons has experienced long term severe chronic pain, which of course can also result in mental torment. He tells me the same thing. Unless you've experienced it you have nothing to say about it. And I TOTALLY agree because I can't relate.

While I was able to work, I lived my life working and spending at 90 mph. I was a super conservative with the "suck it up soldier" mentality. I would minimize, trivialize and generalize anyone's problems. That is until I was at work one day and my pee came out as dark as tea....the next day it came out bright red as Kool-aid. Physical problems led to psychiatric/emotional problems that I found I had been running from for decades hoping beat them to my grave.........I didn't make.

 

[GodsGrace]

While I was able to work, I lived my life working and spending at 90 mph. I was a super conservative with the "suck it up soldier" mentality. I would minimize, trivialize and generalize anyone's problems. That is until I was at work one day and my pee came out as dark as tea....the next day it came out bright red as Kool-aid. Physical problems led to psychiatric/emotional problems that I found I had been running from for decades hoping beat them to my grave.........I didn't make.

We sure aren't in heaven yet DitLD.
I like this:
Be nice to everyone you meet
You never know what battle they might be fighting.

 

[daninthelionsden]

We sure aren't in heaven yet DitLD.
I like this:
Be nice to everyone you meet
You never know what battle they might be fighting.

Amen. I had a dream once that I was at a job I had when I was a young man. A new boss/foreman came out of the field office to meet us and give us assignments. There were about 1/2 a dozen of us standing around Him. We just couldn't help but smile as He spoke. As each worker received his assignment, he would be excited and run off to eagerly carry it out. One by one, each one left until it was just me standing there before Him. I looked at Him and said "I would like to have something to do too". He had been looking down at His clipboard and was about to turn away to go back to the office when I spoke up. He froze and looked up at me and said "What?" I stuttered and asked if he had an assignment for me. He looked straight at me and straight through me and said" I can't trust you to treat everyone the same". I couldn't look Him in the eye and lowered my head and nodded in reluctant agreement. I woke up. I mentioned in another post of a young girl who painted a portrait of Jesus. I had wondered who that foreman was until I saw her portrait. Her depiction of Christ was very very similar to the Foreman. I know now who He is. I know now that He indeed gave me an assignment. I strive everyday to show respect, honesty, integrity......love to all........a life long struggle....showing love....but I'll keep trying until my conveyor belt drops me off.....hopefully into the arms of my Lord.

 

[Milk-Drops]

A pill made your life better by reducing problems that psychiatrists call "symptoms." Calling problems "symptoms" doesn't make the problems medical issues. Voting problems and undesirable behaviors into the DSM and calling them "mental illnesses" doesn't make them brain diseases.

Mental illness just means that your mental state is off due to imbalances. Most med drugs just help balance hormones. Its similar to how most medicine doesn't necessarily fix a problem, but help address problems. A good example of this is diabetes where the body stops producing insultin so you need medication, diet, and exercise to address the issue.

Brain diseases are treated by neurologists, not psychiatrists. If an MRI scan shows a physical basis for your problems, you're referred to a specialist. If it doesn't...the shrinks take over.

Because its not a structural problem, but could be hormonal one. It can also be because of stress or a complex. A shrink can help with that.

I didn't have a "bad doctor." I got the kind of psychiatric "Treatment" that low status people, women, minorities, poor people, etc. have always gotten. Torture as treatment. Labeling as treatment. Punishment as treatment.

I work special needs people and with those that have mental illnesses. I can tell you that we don't torture anyone. Some people I work with think we are torturing them because of extreme paranoia and anxiety. They have every right to refuse medication, and we have to track side effects so if something isn't working we stop the treatment.

The psychiatrist you see has victims, too. My current psychiatrist has victims. I'm not one of them because now I have my "genteel" people behind me. I see Dr.Nice Guy. The poor, black woman with an appointment earlier in the day probably didn't see Dr.Nice Guy, nor will she ever see Dr.Nice Guy.

I don't know these doctors so I can't be sure about this.

Psychiatric drugs --and they are drugs, not "medicines" -- can suppress some problems, for some people, for a season. These are not brain diseases, the pills aren't "medicine," and the psychiatrists don't practice genuine medicine.

Sorry, your bad experience doesn't invalidate an entire field of science, or eliminate the people that the drugs do help. I work with a person with such extreme paranoia that they attacked a coworker that has been nothing but nice and kind to them because the patient convinced himself that the person was " the Enemy" and was trying to kill him first. I work with others that have server depression or anxiety. I work with people that if they don't take their adhd meds, can't function because they can't think straight.

Its a very big field man. Sorry for your experience, but not everyone is victimized.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Mental illness just means that your mental state is off due to imbalances. Most med drugs just help balance hormones. Its similar to how most medicine doesn't necessarily fix a problem, but help address problems. A good example of this is diabetes where the body stops producing insultin so you need medication, diet, and exercise to address the issue.

Because its not a structural problem, but could be hormonal one. It can also be because of stress or a complex. A shrink can help with that.

I work special needs people and with those that have mental illnesses. I can tell you that we don't torture anyone. Some people I work with think we are torturing them because of extreme paranoia and anxiety. They have every right to refuse medication, and we have to track side effects so if something isn't working we stop the treatment.

I don't know these doctors so I can't be sure about this.

Sorry, your bad experience doesn't invalidate an entire field of science, or eliminate the people that the drugs do help. I work with a person with such extreme paranoia that they attacked a coworker that has been nothing but nice and kind to them because the patient convinced himself that the person was " the Enemy" and was trying to kill him first. I work with others that have server depression or anxiety. I work with people that if they don't take their adhd meds, can't function because they can't think straight.

Its a very big field man. Sorry for your experience, but not everyone is victimized.

When the right doctor matches the right pill to the right patient to alleviate a symptom, that is all well and fine. But having a degree from any institution cannot serve as an indicator of one's character. Psychs are just like anyone else and subject to all the same biases, prejudices, incompetence, bad attitudes and corruption as anyone else. Studies show a higher than normal suicide rate among them as well.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Institutional abuse is a thing, and that is a fact worth mentioning. Abuse definitely does happen and at times it can be covered up for a long time. I just wouldn't blame the entire field of study for it.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno. If you'll notice, there's not an anti-oncology movement, an anti-pediatrics movement, nor is there an anti-internal medicine movement. There is, however, an anti-psychiatry movement. It comes and goes in waves, ebbs and flows, but...yeah. Its there, even today.

Makes you wonder...

 

[evenifigoalone]

Could have more to do with other movements being less established. Mental health and psychiatry is a newer idea than the medical practice. While I've never studied medical history, in what I learned in grade school I do recall mentions of the medical practice having it's skeptics as well.