Atheists answer!

[Classik]

One of us has been visited by God's divine touch. She was told she had a sterile womb. Today God made it a fertile one.

This question is for everyone to answer: theists and atheists.

A doctor proclaims a woman sterile: "I'm sorry, you can't have a baby. The lab result shows you don't even have a 0.1% chance of pregnancy. Your womb is dead - and bad."

Husband and wife cry unto God. They saw other doctors, probably the best in the world.

They were also told. You can't have a baby.

After three months the woman becomes pregnant. The doctors confirmed it.

"How is that even possible? That woman was sterile. Her womb was even completely baaaaaaad, we confirmed that. Is that the same woman? Of course."

Atheists and theists answer this.

* As an atheist what would you call this situation?
* Are these doctors quacks?
* As a theist would you think the doctors probably made a mistake too?

 

[Classik]

Our family friend had her womb removed after the doctors said she was never going to have a baby. It was signed and the womb was removed - that was to save her life. Yet the same woman today has over 4 wonderful children males and females. (It happened in my church. Some will not believe this).

 

[Tina]

My Buddhist friend tried unsuccessfully to conceive for many years and one day, she heard a certain holy man, TB Joshua was coming to town. Desperate, she and her husband made their way down to my church, amidst the overwhelming crowds that packed the church auditorium and outside, they were determined to be prayed for by this Nigerian pastor. Within 2 weeks, she conceived and is now the mother to 2 beautiful girls....

 

[Milk-Drops]

* As an atheist what would you call this situation?

An unverifiable anecdote where I don't know the full story. Meaning there could be parts omitted that I don't know about or have been exaggerated. Considering that there was also a percentage given, this was not an impossible task to begin with.

* Are these doctors quacks*

I have seen what these doctors have actually said. All I have to go on is what you stated and probably what the women told you second hand. Meaning exaggerations and possible omissions. I can't judge based on an anecdote.

 

[Classik]

Thanks for your answer.
How about this case: One of us, a woman, had her first baby very late. She was about 60 yet she had a baby. I was so young that time. I didn't understand what it means to have a child at a particular age range. (Meonopause thing).

Yet this woman got pregnant.
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My post #2, if you need the details I send it to you. Both the doctor and the couple and children are alive today.

 

[Aardverk]

Consider Lourdes. There are 67 claimed miraculous cures which defy the medical world. Amazing? No!

Since 1858 there have been an estimated 200,000,000 pilgrims to Lourdes hoping for a miraculous cure (67/200,000,000 = 0.0000335%). So, are we to assume that the error rate of doctors is less than 0.0000335%? Of course not; my insurance friends tell me that some 200,000 die each year from medical errors. We all know that doctors are making mistakes all the time, not to mention simple clerical errors with medical records. The simple fact is that some people are declared incurable when they really have little or nothing wrong with them.

As well as errors, some people are extremely unusual and have a metabolism or structure which is way out of the average (freaks of nature) so their bodily functions may well seem to be extreme or even 'miraculous'. It is also quite possible to grow a baby in a body cavity outside the womb - even, theoretically, in a male!

As Meatballsub indicates, we need to examine the anecdotes before getting too excited. Remember too that illusionists have been performing 'miracles' for thousands of years.

 

[AtheistAlan]

Thanks for your answer.
How about this case: One of us, a woman, had her first baby very late. She was about 60 yet she had a baby. I was so young that time. I didn't understand what it means to have a child at a particular age range. (Meonopause thing).

Yet this woman got pregnant.

Just because she had a baby late in life, doesn't mean she still wasn't able to have children. If she had a baby, then by definition there were egg cells that were fertilized with sperm cells. The odds were very much against her I can guess, but then again, people do win the lottery.

Additionally there are ways that a woman can get donated egg cells and have them implanted. This is very costly, as well as it tends to be embarrassing, so all the details may not be included or divulged.

-Atheist Alan

 

[Classik]

Thanks people.

My own sister once had a similar problem. She's a living testimony today.

One of our pastos told us: God told me I'm not gonna have a baby. It happened that way. Trust man. He tried many things and yet nothing happened.

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The question now is (if you can attempt to answer this), why is it that most of the people I know, who were once sterile, after they had poured out their hearts to their God (the menopause thing stopped already in some) finally became fertile and had babies? My own sister, same father and mother with me, is one.

 

[221B]

Consider Lourdes. There are 67 claimed miraculous cures which defy the medical world. Amazing? No!

Since 1858 there have been an estimated 200,000,000 pilgrims to Lourdes hoping for a miraculous cure (67/200,000,000 = 0.0000335%). So, are we to assume that the error rate of doctors is less than 0.0000335%? Of course not; my insurance friends tell me that some 200,000 die each year from medical errors. We all know that doctors are making mistakes all the time, not to mention simple clerical errors with medical records. The simple fact is that some people are declared incurable when they really have little or nothing wrong with them.

As well as errors, some people are extremely unusual and have a metabolism or structure which is way out of the average (freaks of nature) so their bodily functions may well seem to be extreme or even 'miraculous'. It is also quite possible to grow a baby in a body cavity outside the womb - even, theoretically, in a male!

As Meatballsub indicates, we need to examine the anecdotes before getting too excited. Remember too that illusionists have been performing 'miracles' for thousands of years.

I agree with all the above. Also thought I'd add, in an interesting show of irony, my great-uncle died at Lourdes. Had no severe medical complications before going, no disease, nothing. Wasn't even that old.
I stopped believing in miracles a long time ago, probably even before I stopped believing in god. It seems there is always another explanation.