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Atheists Grow in Numbers and Goals

The "de-baptism" ritual is a little over the top. One wonders what is driving that.

Otherwise, I think the article is an interesting example of how much we humans need affirmation of what we are doing. It seems proof to me that people need to look outside themselves for moral clarity. We might differ on what the basis for moral clarity is, but we look outside of ourselves to find it.
 
handy said:
The "de-baptism" ritual is a little over the top. One wonders what is driving that.

Otherwise, I think the article is an interesting example of how much we humans need affirmation of what we are doing. It seems proof to me that people need to look outside themselves for moral clarity. We might differ on what the basis for moral clarity is, but we look outside of ourselves to find it.
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amen, our wicked hearts will justify all manner of sin praise the lord for the redeeming nature of christ, as we through his power can overcome the flesh, pray for me on that

jason
 
even in the tribulation there some that will repent and be saved

jason
 
I could accept that they were just sincere in their lack of belief if they weren't organized.

I think people like these really do believe in God but reject HIM and want others to do the same.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
walter said:
I could accept that they were just sincere in their lack of belief if they weren't organized.

I think people like these really do believe in God but reject HIM and want others to do the same.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is
longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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I couldn't have said it better Walter, a god unto themselves. :yes


turnorburn


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First off, I took one look at the t-shirt in the picture on the first page of the article and thought, It'd sound a lot better if it said 'There is a God, so stop worrying and have fun'- indicating that we should give all our worries over to God and live a good life in His name. But that's just my two cents!

I honestly can't believe that people would go so far as to de-baptize themselves. Do they really hate God that much, that they're throwing His blessings back in his face? I can't understand it. Even though I went through a period of time where I was not as spiritual as I should have been, I never even considered that there was no God, and never thought of 'de-baptism'.

The things some people do to get attention, I swear... :shame
 
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but morality doesn't come from religion. It comes from the environment you grew up in. I have friends who are Atheist, and they aren't any less moral than Christians. Some are even more moral than what some Christians are (how many Atheists do you see join the KKK or other hate groups). If you actually read the Bible (and some Atheists do as well to learn more about the theology) there are many contradictions. And some Atheists feel that there really isn't any evidence for any deity, other than religious texts that technically could have been written by anybody, even if it means it was not divinely inspired. But people believe or don't believe what they want. The thing is though, the U.S is a nation with mostly Christians, but it is NOT a Christian nation. But the media (and many other "average" people) are biased towards Christianity. You don't often hear about the Atheist volunteer groups and the Atheist Blood Drives out there because of the bias. I'm not saying that I am Atheist, I have friends who are and they accept me for who I am and I accept them for who they are.
We are all born atheist, no child at birth knows anything of any deity, it's the social environment that forms their religious views.
 
while they are good or bad people, the ability to do good in the Lord's eyes is impossible without the belief in and acceptance of Jesus Christ.
The bible states that the righteous of man is as filthy rags, that's where we christian come from.

jason
 
Rubiks said:
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but morality doesn't come from religion. It comes from the environment you grew up in. I have friends who are Atheist, and they aren't any less moral than Christians. Some are even more moral than what some Christians are (how many Atheists do you see join the KKK or other hate groups). If you actually read the Bible (and some Atheists do as well to learn more about the theology) there are many contradictions. And some Atheists feel that there really isn't any evidence for any deity, other than religious texts that technically could have been written by anybody, even if it means it was not divinely inspired. But people believe or don't believe what they want. The thing is though, the U.S is a nation with mostly Christians, but it is NOT a Christian nation. But the media (and many other "average" people) are biased towards Christianity. You don't often hear about the Atheist volunteer groups and the Atheist Blood Drives out there because of the bias. I'm not saying that I am Atheist, I have friends who are and they accept me for who I am and I accept them for who they are.
We are all born atheist, no child at birth knows anything of any deity, it's the social environment that forms their religious views.
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I don't entirely disagree with you but I have to say this.

My faith has nothing to do with my upbringing, society or anything else. Sure, my mother sent me to catholic school where I learned about God, the Bible and Christ and I may have accepted it then because it was the thing to do. Later, however, when I took a serious intelligent look at my "beliefs" I accepted God and decided to make Him the central partof my life.
My morality comes from this:
I don't want people to steal from me, so I don't steal from them
I don't want my GF to cheat on me so I don't cheat on her
I don't want someone to kill me so I don't kill anyone.
It's not hard to figure out what is moral in these cases. If you wouldn't like it why would you think anyone else would?

Other cases are more difficult but basically I need to have standards and guidelines if I am going to be happy.

God said to not commit adultery. Why? Because it's wrong? Well, of course but why is it wrong?
Because it destroys families. Children are damaged. Trust is destroyed among other things. God wasn't thinking of denying you sexual pleasure when He said it's wrong. He was trying to keep us from committing an act that has such far reaching repercussions against not just you but everyone in your life.
I can't explain this properly in this little space, it would take me hours but I hope you catch my drift.
 
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