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enjoimx

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Wow, I am amazed at how naive some of you Christians are when it comes to Avatar. You are claiming things like child abuse, nudity, and cursing. These are the LEAST of the things you should be concerned about when it comes to Avatar.

I am on the fence with Christianity, and have been involved in a somewhat underground lifestyle, alternative community lifestyle if you will, for the last few years, and Avatar is EXTREMELY subversive.

Here I offer proof. Read this article from Reality Sandwich, if you dare, on the pyschedelic worldview overtly and subvertly put forth in Avatar. http://www.realitysandwich.com/avatar_p ... rldview_3d

Seeing this movie gave me chills. And i can guarantee you it had nothing to do with the "cursing" or "nudity." Whoever mentioned "nature worship" is on the right track, but you dont understand the extent of your statement. I will gladly explain more and back up these claims later tonight when I get home.

Thank you.
Rob
 
Ok granted, most of the kids are still naive and do not understand yet what this is about. Actually I can relate to your 'pyschedelic worldview' reference, because I understood that kind of things already when I was half my age. At that time everything in society was already 'spiritual', although it was the beginning of the dark version of spirtuality, that is now known as pyschedelic entertainment.

So I'm surpised at your understanding, at least you get the basics already of what is wrong with that movie.

here is the view of a pastor that is operating in deliverance ministry:

Avatar Manifestation of Hindu gods - by Pat Holliday
http://www.remnantradio.org/Archives/ar ... -18-10.pdf

Once you understand the essence of what christian deliverance ministry is based on, you will realize there is difference in the kind and essence of spirituality. And that is not based on preference or taste, it's simply about one is of God and other is a counterfeit. This movie is about to accept the counterfeit on a subconscious level.
 
Interesting.

My wife and I saw this movie last week. I agree the film has a subversive feel to it on many levels, and while I would not allow my kids to see it, I hardly think it will be successful in planting seeds in the minds of most who view it. I never thought about it in terms of Hinduism, but I can clearly see that as well.

I guess the question is, what was the goal of the film maker? is it to make an entertaining film and a return on investment? is it to plant an idea, or both? In the end the only success of this film, like most, will be counted in dollars.

It's clearly fantasy and for those easily confused about truth vs reality, what's the difference?
 
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jasoncran

There you go! Nor even Star Trek or Babylon 5 or any of the other S-F stuff out there. Do you think we have some prejudice going on here?

JamesG
 
JamesG said:
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jasoncran

There you go! Nor even Star Trek or Babylon 5 or any of the other S-F stuff out there. Do you think we have some prejudice going on here?

JamesG
I have never seen anyone defend a movie as fervently as you defend Avatar. It would be a good thing if Christians would stand up for purity the way you stand from this movie.
 
then i suggest we all stop going to any non christian entertainment. dont listen to any secular music or go to sport events or anywhere there's might be sin. or worse those heathens.

i dont watch tv nor listen to secular music. but i dont lay burdens on others to do the same. i find that if one wants to sin you will do that anyway.
 
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Watchman F & jasoncran

Well, as I said before, I am just the positive counterbalance on the subject. So your negative view is just as “fanatical†as my positive view. But I don’t think fervently defending anything through that which is a lie is really defending anything. But then like I have already said, whether or not either of us right is up to no one except James Cameron who wrote and directed the movie. And Like the smart man that he is, he is saying nothing at all about the controversy. The more controversy, the more money.

But he did say this in an interview:

““For me, technology in and of itself is not evil, but there is a great potential for evil in the human misapplication of technology… So its really about people and the moral and ethical choices associated with the technology. So in avatar, they’re mining for unobtatnium. Why? Because they’re using unobtanium to solve an energy crisis on earth. Even though that’s not specifically spelled out in the movie. But they need it for some technological thing. But they are getting it; they are making choices, which are unethical and amoral essentially, about how they are going to interact with the natural world and the indigenous culture on Pandora. So its really just asking people to be accountable. Accountable in their use of technology… Maybe people want to go see a film for pure entertainment, and not want to think about it and not have to feel guilty – I’m not trying to make people feel guilty. I just want them to internalize a sense of respect and a sense of taking responsibility for the stewardship of the earth. and I think this film can do that by creating an emotional reaction.â€â€

Does that sound like the epitome of evil to you? I fully agree with what he said here. If that makes me a non-Christian in your eyes, then in your eyes I am a non-Christian. He did not mention Hinduism or Pantheism or any of that. He is writing a book based on the movie where he wants to give a little more background. We’ll see what he says in the book.

Unfortunately, I have not been here long enough to fervently defend “the faithâ€. So you don’t know what I am liable to say. There are certain things that I believe. But I won’t force any of them on anyone. I firmly believe in what Peter said, “be ready to give an answer for the hope that is in you to anyone who asks youâ€. I generally wait to be asked before I say anything about the Reality that is in Christ as I see and experience it. Most will NOT do that. They just get all JW on you and force it down your throat. And sometimes like the fool that I am, I do respond to that. Rather than being wise and keeping silent towards those who have already made up their minds. But that is only true about the Reality that is in Christ.

In this case, we have a simple movie. A movie that is rather Christian at its core. Good vs evil in as stark black and white as the Bible says it is. And certain people who appear to be on the side of evil who are actually not at all. Take care of the planet like God wanted in the first place. Help protect the less fortunate or weaker than yourselves. Though I’m not sure if the Na’vi fit that bill completely. They did in Jake Scully’s eyes. Stand against evil in whatever form it takes, even when that form is a human corporation with a mercenary security force. Of course, this movie is considered evil in itself, supposedly negating any Christian ideas that it may contain. And maybe negating Christianity with it?

The first version of this story that I know of was written by Edgar Rice Burroughs in 1912. The human looking humanoids in that story are red. The animals and another humanoid race have two rear legs and four front arms or legs. The other humanoid race is green and have been at war with the red race for eons. And they are ugly. And they are the obvious antagonists. I know where Cameron got his idea for this movie. He admits to being a Science fiction fan. And he is about my age, so I know he knows about the books by Edgar Rice Burroughs. And like many have said, it has been told elsewhere. But this version is very well told. And until Cameron himself says that Avatar is intentionally related to a particular religion other than Christianity, I will continue to defend it against those things that I see that are at this point simply not true. And I have no sense of sin in what I am saying on this forum. And if I discover that I have been wrong, then that is all it will be, not sin on my part. And I will apologize accordingly and change sides if and when I find that out.

JamesG
 
i wasnt serious as i suggested that all do what i do. i do pick movies not to watch. i see where you are coming from. i choose not to watch tv as it has become too hedonistic on many shows, but that doesn't mean all thats on is bad. i dont care for the olympics and so on. so i choose not to watch it.

i know what i wont watch and that others will and that's them not me. i choose to be that way. some arent called to that.
 
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jasoncran

On TV, I think we see eye to eye.

The anti-Christian Sci-fi, what was it?

JamesG
a book. it was about 200 yrs in the future and men had the ability to clone themselves and transfer consciousness into the new body. it also had stargates and the universe was being explored.

there was two men and a woman in marriage, gay marriages,and the book also called the delay by the united states to delevop cloning the religious rights fault and that abortion was ok.

to name a few.
 
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jasoncran

I was hoping for titles and authors. Since you and I seem to be on the same page, I thought it would be a help to me in avoiding some of the garbage. If you don't remember them, it's ok and I can't really blame you for putting them out of your mind from the descriptions you gave.

JamesG
 
JamesG said:
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jasoncran

I was hoping for titles and authors. Since you and I seem to be on the same page, I thought it would be a help to me in avoiding some of the garbage. If you don't remember them, it's ok and I can't really blame you for putting them out of your mind from the descriptions you gave.

JamesG
no, if i could recall i would, i read that in afghanistan while on guard duty and off duty. :crazy
 
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