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Gen 4:14
Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."


And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.



Who else was out there? Adam, Eve, Cain.... who was going to kill Cain?



also He goes out to the land of Nod and finds a wife? :crazy

where are all these extra people coming from!
 
ChevyRodeo said:
Gen 4:14
Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."


And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.ou



Who else was out there? Adam, Eve, Cain.... who was going to kill Cain?



also He goes out to the land of Nod and finds a wife? :crazy



where are all these extra people coming from!

Many will tell you he married his sister (yeah right :nono )and many will tell you he was afraid of the other brothers and sisters Adam and Eve had,,,(what a joke)

The truth is in Genesis chapter 1 God created mankind,,,,,God created females and males,,,,and then later God formed Adam(notice I said formed Adam not created him) The Hebrew makes this very very very clear....

There was already people around when God formed Adam ,,,,But remember the Old testament was basically written to Adamic people by Adamic people,, its all about Christ,,,,and Christ is in the bloodline of Adam not the other people that were around.....
 
ChevyRodeo said:
also He goes out to the land of Nod and finds a wife? :crazy

where are all these extra people coming from!
Posted by permission of the author

Cain's Wife
By Allen Young

One of the most often repeated questions about the origin of things is "where did Cain get his wife". The answer is quite simple, she was his sister, but quite removed.

We need to remember that Adam lived nine centuries; 930 years to be exact. To put that into perspective, a man who died this year at the age of 930 would have been born in 1077 A.D. And one might presume that long life means healthy life.

We're not sure how long Eve was healthy enough to bear children, but Scripture states she had a son to replace Abel who was killed by Cain and named him Seth when Adam was 130, and afterwards had other sons and daughters. Scripture then states when Seth was 105 he became the father of Enosh. We cannot say with certainty Enosh was Seth's first child, but it is likely he was Seth's first son. However, if he was Seth's first child then Adam at the age of 235 had a daughter old enough to marry Seth and bear children. And if a daughter was available for Seth, she was certainly available first for Cain.

Though punished for his sin, Cain was assured by God he would not be slain by another. By this only two possibilities can be implied. Either there were at this point other unmentioned created humans on earth, or during the course of his life Cain would not be avenged by siblings for the slaying of Abel. It is unlikely the former is true given there is no hint of corroboration in scripture. Thus, the latter must be the case. And if Cain is forbidden to be slain by another then he must have died naturally, and probably very old, as Adam lived 930 years, and Cain's younger brother Seth lived 912 years, and Seth's son Enosh lived 905.

If Cain was born one year after Adam was created, then he was 129 when Seth was born, as the scriptures state Adam was 130 when Seth was born. If Eve bore a daughter the year after Seth and she is the future wife of Cain at 15-20 years of age, then Cain is still very young at age 149 compared to a potential lifespan of 900 years, when he marries.

But if Cain waits to marry a daughter of Seth, which is possible but unlikely, and Seth's daughter is born the year after his first son, and marries Cain when she is 20 years old, then Cain is still only 255 years old.

If he waits like Noah until he's 500 years old to have kids, and marries at that time, then he has the pick of Adam's, Seth's, Enosh's, Kenan's, Mahalalel's, or Jared's daughters, or any of their descendents' daughters to marry.

To put it all into perspective, consider the following. If there are no skips in the Biblical record of generations between Adam and Noah, then the flood occurred 1706 years after Adam was created, and Adam saw Noah's dad Lamech live to be 6 years old! Lamech was Adam's great, great, great, great, great, great grandson.

Allen Young

(posted by permission)


This next post is added by myself, William Tipton to give a couple relevant details as I see them.
(Pastor Allen Young above is one of my mentors whom I trust for matters of doctrine and scriptural understanding as he has proven himself worthy of that respect over a number of years.)

My addition;

A bigger question for those who worry about marrying sisters (something that was not yet outlawed, btw) is who was Seths wife?
Seth wasnt cast out, so who did he marry and have kids with ?

(Gen 4:25MKJV) And Adam knew his wife again. And she bore a son, and called his name Seth. For she said, God has appointed me another seed instead of Abel, because Cain killed him.
Gen 4:26 And there was also a son born to Seth, and he called his name Enos. Then men began to call upon the name of Jehovah.

Something I think we overlook is little tidbits like this one...
And the days of Adam after he had fathered Seth were eight hundred years. And he fathered sons and daughters. And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years. And he died. And Seth lived one hundred and five years and fathered Enos. And after he fathered Enos, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years. And he fathered sons and daughters.
(Gen 5:4-7 MKJV)
There DO seem to be UNnamed sons and daughters, so its not impossible that Cain did marry his sister.
I mean, its not the first time in the OT before the law was given that a man married in a way we call 'incestuous'.

Gen 20:11MKJV And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place, and they will kill me for my wife's sake.
Gen 20:12 And yet truly she is my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother. And she became my wife.
Only outlawed later with Mosaic law...
(Lev 18:9 MKJV ) You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, the daughter of your father or the daughter of your mother, born at home or born away. Their nakedness you shall not uncover.
 
NIGHTMARE said:
Many will tell you he married his sister (yeah right :nono )and many will tell you he was afraid of the other brothers and sisters Adam and Eve had,,,(what a joke)
While it may seem to be a joke to some, it is very much a possibility.
Since neither you nor I were THERE, its hardly logical for you to call it a joke, seeing that you have no clue what really happened...agreed ? :)

In discussing the possibilities, tho, it is VERY possible that Cain DID marry a sister, and that Seth did as well, as no prohibition yet existed.

The truth is in Genesis chapter 1 God created mankind,,,,,God created females and males,,,,and then later God formed Adam(notice I said formed Adam not created him) The Hebrew makes this very very very clear....
That isnt the case at all.
Genesis 1 gives us an overview of the creation week.
Genesis 2 gives us more specific information about mans creation and Gods interaction with him.
These arent separate accounts at all.
There was already people around when God formed Adam ,,,,But remember the Old testament was basically written to Adamic people by Adamic people,, its all about Christ,,,,and Christ is in the bloodline of Adam not the other people that were around.....
Impossible.
Scripture says that death BEGAN with Adam. If a preadamite race existed then they were either very long lived (millions of years ?) or they were dying, which makes Gods word a lie in the matter.
 
follower of Christ said:
NIGHTMARE said:
Many will tell you he married his sister (yeah right :nono )and many will tell you he was afraid of the other brothers and sisters Adam and Eve had,,,(what a joke)
While it may seem to be a joke to some, it is very much a possibility.
Since neither you nor I were THERE, its hardly logical for you to call it a joke, seeing that you have no clue what really happened...agreed ? :)

In discussing the possibilities, tho, it is VERY possible that Cain DID marry a sister, and that Seth did as well, as no prohibition yet existed.

The truth is in Genesis chapter 1 God created mankind,,,,,God created females and males,,,,and then later God formed Adam(notice I said formed Adam not created him) The Hebrew makes this very very very clear....
That isnt the case at all.
Genesis 1 gives us an overview of the creation week.
Genesis 2 gives us more specific information about mans creation and Gods interaction with him.
These arent separate accounts at all.
[quote:1stjuc72]
There was already people around when God formed Adam ,,,,But remember the Old testament was basically written to Adamic people by Adamic people,, its all about Christ,,,,and Christ is in the bloodline of Adam not the other people that were around.....
Impossible.
Scripture says that death BEGAN with Adam. If a preadamite race existed then they were either very long lived (millions of years ?) or they were dying, which makes Gods word a lie in the matter.[/quote:1stjuc72]

Cain was kicked out of his land,,,,,he ended up in the land of Nod (wondering) If there were sisters around (which I dont believe) they were not in Nod.........Also Cain was leaving his home and already knew it was others around no matter where he went.........

Your logic is flawed in the matter,,,, we dont have touessing game play games.....

Gen 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man (men mankind males and females) in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So why would I need to be there?????It is already written there were other people around,,,,,just become most christians are ignorant doesnt mean we all have to be........

No matter what people say no-one can get a black child from two white adamics it just not possible,,,,when was the last time you saw 2 parents of 1 race give birth to a different race ??????????
 
NIGHTMARE said:
when was the last time you saw 2 parents of 1 race give birth to a different race ??????????

Haven't seen it yet. Maybe they had magic babies... :o :lol ;) :D
 
NIGHTMARE said:
No matter what people say no-one can get a black child from two white adamics it just not possible,,,,when was the last time you saw 2 parents of 1 race give birth to a different race ??????????
How about a white child from two black adamics?
 
Sinthesis said:
NIGHTMARE said:
No matter what people say no-one can get a black child from two white adamics it just not possible,,,,when was the last time you saw 2 parents of 1 race give birth to a different race ??????????
How about a white child from two black adamics?

Guess I better nip this one in the bud,,,,,,

Do you know what the very word Adam means??????

119 'adam aw-dam' to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:--be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).
So Adams color was ruddy......What is ruddy?????

Well do me a favor,,,go to google and type in "ruddy complection" or "ruddy face" and see what you get......I can say 100% that blacks didnt come from Ruddy/white adamics.....
 
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