Awake To The Spirit....Put On Christ...and Cease From Sin!

[Adullam]

God loves us too much not to leave us a provision for a walk in victory that is without sin!

 

[Adullam]

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

 

[Benoni]

So are you saying YOU NEVER SIN? Great verse but the only one I know who never sin was Jesus. I know of no one who does not sin? Good debate point.

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

 

[Adullam]

So are you saying YOU NEVER SIN? Great verse but the only one I know who never sin was Jesus. I know of no one who does not sin? Good debate point.

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Is the Apostle John a liar?

When we abide in Christ, we cannot sin. What is your experience?

 

[Benoni]

Do you sin?

I cannot ask John, I can ask you?

So are you saying YOU NEVER SIN? Great verse but the only one I know who never sin was Jesus. I know of no one who does not sin? Good debate point.

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Is the Apostle John a liar?

When we abide in Christ, we cannot sin. What is your experience?

 

[whirlwind]

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Isn't there habitual sin, purposeful sin, as opposed to (for want of a better word) involuntary sin? You know...a flash of anger, an unpleasant thought, etc.

 

[Benoni]

Sin is sin. Is there really any place for sin in God's kingdom? NO.... How big of sin was it for Eve to eat a forbidden fruit? Pretty big sin.

That is why we need the blood of Jesus.

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Isn't there habitual sin, purposeful sin, as opposed to (for want of a better word) involuntary sin? You know...a flash of anger, an unpleasant thought, etc.

 

[whirlwind]

Sin is sin. Is there really any place for sin in God's kingdom? NO.... How big of sin was it for Eve to eat a forbidden fruit? Pretty big sin.

That is why we need the blood of Jesus.

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Isn't there habitual sin, purposeful sin, as opposed to (for want of a better word) involuntary sin? You know...a flash of anger, an unpleasant thought, etc.

I would agree that no sins are good and yes..."that is why we need the blood of Jesus." But, some are purposeful and others seem to happen...even as we try to never allow them to happen in our walk with Him.

1 John 1:7-8 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and He shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

From those verses it appears that there is a difference in sin. A wilful sin, a sin unto death (the unforgiveable sin), and those sins that His blood cleanses from us.....even after "we have received the knowledge of truth," as we are beside Him in our walk.

 

[Drew]

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Isn't there habitual sin, purposeful sin, as opposed to (for want of a better word) involuntary sin? You know...a flash of anger, an unpleasant thought, etc.

Greetings ww: On this post, we will agree!

You draw an important distinction that was deeply relevant in the Jewish tradition. In the Old Testament, a distinction is indeed made between "involuntary" sins and sinning with a "high hand" - intentional, calculated sin. The sin offering of the Torah was intended to cover sins of the former category, not the latter. So I think you have noted an important distinction.

 

[whirlwind]

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Isn't there habitual sin, purposeful sin, as opposed to (for want of a better word) involuntary sin? You know...a flash of anger, an unpleasant thought, etc.

Greetings ww: On this post, we will agree!

You draw an important distinction that was deeply relevant in the Jewish tradition. In the Old Testament, a distinction is indeed made between "involuntary" sins and sinning with a "high hand" - intentional, calculated sin. The sin offering of the Torah was intended to cover sins of the former category, not the latter. So I think you have noted an important distinction.

:shocked! It is good to agree with you Drew....I hope we're not both wrong. :toofunny

 

[Adullam]

What the authors of the bible are speaking about is a walk according to the grace and power of the risen Christ. I have experienced this for prolonged periods of time. What is so difficult is the eventual loneliness one experiences through the incredulity of fellow believers...they don't seem to comprehend the ramifications of Christ indwelling a person. :verysad

 

[whirlwind]

What the authors of the bible are speaking about is a walk according to the grace and power of the risen Christ. I have experienced this for prolonged periods of time. What is so difficult is the eventual loneliness one experiences through the incredulity of fellow believers...they don't seem to comprehend the ramifications of Christ indwelling a person. :verysad

Hi John, it is not that I am incredulous it's just that until we have shed our flesh bodies can we not think an unkind thought, say an angry word, dislike someone, etc. without purposely doing so?

Christ does indwell us and He is perfect but...are we?

 

[Joe67]

There was a sacrifice for both of David's sin events. The first was Bathsheba and Uriah. The second was the numbering of Israel.

Since there was a sacrifice for David's transgressions, then these do not qualify as sinning willfully after he had received the truth.

The sin of numbering Israel seems a little removed from much of our everyday life's necessities.

The sin of adultery with Bathsheba and the authorization of the murder of Uriah seem much closer home to our everyday passions. Both of these sins occur in the heart and mind, though they are never outwardly exercised. These seem to be more of the willful character than the numbering event.

The mark of the beast is more tied to the numbering event than the adultery/murder event. In David our Lord has revealed His heart to forgive. David learned through this heart rending event that the Lord forgives freely without bringing a material sacrifice; though David freely brought a sacrificial offering after he was forgiven. Joshua in his last counsel to the tribal leaders could not present the Lord to them in this light. He told them that God would not forgive them if they transgressed against him. Through Moses' sin and Joshua's testimony and in David's two sin events the Lord has laid a strong foundation to illustrate the fulfillment of the New Testament's declarative testimonies concerning sin and forgiveness. It is the Spirit that quickens.

All of us are brought through these same type of experiences through the workings of God's grace. Where sin abounds, grace much more abounds. Then we will praise him after we have wept. Then we will sin no more as our sojourn is maturely given over to suffering afflictions for the unjust for Jesus' Body's sake; to the praise of his glory in his grace. Jesus came only for the sinners, to give them repentance unto life.

Joe

 

[samuel]

it's just that until we have shed our flesh bodies can we not think an unkind thought, say an angry word, dislike someone, etc. without purposely doing so?

I am not saying, I have never done any of these things. But to say I have purposely done so; I think not!.

 

[Sparkey]

Have any here struggled with sin?
To what extent?

Have any succeeded and found victory as an overcomer and have quit off of sins like fornication, murders (and violent things like physical abuse), and drunkenness and bearing false witness, and lying, and --- okay, I'll quote one scripture and know there are more and perhaps better definitions and welcome -but the idea is: HAVE Any Succeeded?

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

In other words, have any been circumcised in the heart? Those who haven't and are in need of personal counseling might be better served by seeking with the aid of your church members but not on the internet. Not trying to be elitist but just saying this isn't the place and although I'm blunt to say it that way -it doesn't really reflect my heart and I'm very willing to discuss further with anybody who would care to PM me. It's a private thing; I read too clearly between the lines and don't want to see it, please?

Those who have put off the works of the flesh have also gained and know the fruits of the Spirit - for no man can cease from sin without the work of the Spirit within him. All he does is inflate the sin called "Pride of Life". Are these fruits evident?

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Of those who have struggled against sin and have found certain victory - have any struggled unto the shedding of blood? Some may have, Paul did.

Yes we know from James that sin includes any offense (like the one I committed above) of the tongue.
Whirwind has brought the Scripture about what do we do when we see our brother sinning? We ask and God gives life! Read the context and understand this is one of Peter's Keys! Pardon my way of saying this, it may have come from sometime way, way, back when I used to go to sleep in the catholic church - because I never paid attention; it is key. What he was speaking about is knowing that all his prayers were answered. He prayed according to the Will of the Father in all things.

As we begin to all pray for Sparrowhawke and the slips of his tongue and sins (offenses?) that do not lead to death -- we also Join ourselves into the Will of God. And we have the assurance that all of our prayers are answered --AND-- that Sparrow gets life from God which I must say is only a blessing!

So stopping sin and praying and awakening and Joining Together and Putting on Christ and Ceasing from Sin! <---- are all acts of creation.

The small voice in the back asks, "Really Sparrow?"
Sparrow replies, "You already know, little one whom I love - God has told you."

 

[whirlwind]

it's just that until we have shed our flesh bodies can we not think an unkind thought, say an angry word, dislike someone, etc. without purposely doing so?

I am not saying, I have never done any of these things. But to say I have purposely done so; I think not!.

That is what I am saying Samuel (and it wasn't very well written). We don't purposely do those things but, at least to me, they still occasionally happen. I can be very peaceful, thinking wonderful thoughts in traffic and some #%##* almost hits me, or someone is rude to me, or I get a phonecall from some telemarketer that awakens me from a nap, or the clotheshangers get all tangled, etc., etc., etc.. Oops...old man/old lady reappears. I didn't ask him to, I didn't want him to but sadly...there he is.

 

[Sparkey]

I pray this - God give you life! It is also for me and I know that I have the Will of Him in it. This prayer is one of my "always answered" and I pray this in faith - Watch as our heavenly Father helps you in traffic and grants you peace in these things. Watch as by His Spirit you learn to be established in Peace. Watch as your eye is drawn to all various things to show you the mystery. Touch with me in this prayer whirlwind. Our amen draws the Way-Maker, the "I-Will-Cause-It-To-Happen" to you (and me). Shhhh... we will not admonish you to obey all of man's traffic rules we will also ask for this to be covered and that the conviction of the Holy be on your driving.

I am under command of King to do this for those whom I see sinning -but even though I don't "see" it, I can understand by my "ear" that these are troubles to you and I am commanding the seas to calm before your eyes even now! In the Name do we join and ask and thank Him for it is truly asked according to the will of our All Sufficiency.

~sparrow

 

[Ret]

God loves us too much not to leave us a provision for a walk in victory that is without sin!

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Paul has the 'sin' struggles mentioned in Romans 7. Two different/opposite laws, each waring for control.

The conclusion....

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. ASV

Romans 3:3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment. ASV

This doesn't mean that I go around lieing...it means, my very nature is a 'lie' compared to that of the SON of God! As I live 'in Christ' this nature is 'dead' though it remains it does not reign. It remains till God totally takes away the stoney heart when mortality is replaced with immortality!

Yess...we have victory, by faith and hope that works through Believing in Jesus Christ.

 

[turnorburn]

God loves us too much not to leave us a provision for a walk in victory that is without sin!

Amen!

 

[Adullam]

God is not the author of a mock victory over sin. He doesn't do anything by half measure. Rather it is the faith that is our inheritance which has been subverted so that we continue to live as if Jesus had not come in the flesh. The false gospel has no power over the sin nature. Putting on Christ in Reality overcomes our old nature by displacing it with the divine nature that Jesus died to bring us. We can then walk as Jesus walked on this earth. Holy and blameless. We can then be truly His bride without spot or wrinkle. :P

How shall we sin when Christ becomes our new operating system. It is impossible to both sin and walk in the Spirit. :naughty