Shilohsfoal
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"turnorburn"
How did you reach that conclusion?
studying
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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BABYLON IS BEING REBUILT, JUST AS PROPHESIED
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parousia70
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turnorburn said:
HI Vic what does the bible call anyone that claims this tittle?
"We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely NECESSARY FOR the SALVATION of every human creature to be SUBJECT TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF (POPE)."
--POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUN SANCTUM, 1302
Antichrist.
In place of Christ...
"[W]e hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."
--POPE LEO XIII
Vicar of Christ.
A substitute Christ...
"For the Roman pontiff (pope), by reason of his office as VICAR OF CHRIST, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal POWER over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise UNHINDERED."
--CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1994, P. 254 #882.
None of the above examples fit the BIBLICAL definition of Antichrist.
Now, it does appear that you prefer the man made tradition to the actual biblical teaching, but make no mistake, the Biblical antichrist is none of those things you suggest.
turnorburn
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parousia70 said:turnorburn said:
HI Vic what does the bible call anyone that claims this tittle?
"We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely NECESSARY FOR the SALVATION of every human creature to be SUBJECT TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF (POPE)."
--POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUN SANCTUM, 1302
Antichrist.
In place of Christ...
"[W]e hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."
--POPE LEO XIII
Vicar of Christ.
A substitute Christ...
"For the Roman pontiff (pope), by reason of his office as VICAR OF CHRIST, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal POWER over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise UNHINDERED."
--CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1994, P. 254 #882.
None of the above examples fit the BIBLICAL definition of Antichrist.
Now, it does appear that you prefer the man made tradition to the actual biblical teaching, but make no mistake, the Biblical antichrist is none of those things you suggest.
Take the bible away from the equation and what do you have, a man claiming to be God, I call it blaspheme..
"We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely NECESSARY FOR the SALVATION of every human creature to be SUBJECT TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF (POPE)."
-POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUN SANCTUM, 1302
Are you a member of his church, according to this statement your salvation
depends on it..
turnorburn
parousia70
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turnorburn said:
no thanks
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Friday, July 10, 2009
Babylon Is on the Rise
By Al Gist
According to the July 2 issue of "Stars and Stripes" military newspaper,
"...soldiers with the 172nd Infantry Brigade are exploring the ruins [of Babylon] as part of a U.S.-Iraqi effort to preserve the ancient city and plan for the return of Western tourists. Members of the brigade's 2nd Battalion, 28th Infantry Regiment escorted a group of U.S. heritage tourism experts to the ruins last week for the first of several visits to develop a preservation and tourism plan for the area." (emphasis mine)
So, plans are being made now in a joint US-Iraqi effort to restore some of the ruins of Babylon and implement a plan to draw tourists to the area.
Before the removal of the Saddam Hussein regime, millions of dollars had been spent by the dictator to restore many of the ruins of the ancient city. But since the invasion of the US-led coalition, the head of the British Museum's Near East department has criticized the soldiers for "damaging and contaminating artifacts" there. So now, with $700,000 allocated by the US State Dept. and the World Monuments Fund, a plan is being developed with the Iraqi government "to preserve the site and develop a local tourism industry". (emphasis mine) No doubt, with that "tourism industry" will come hotels, restaurants, souvenir stores, etc., the beginnings of a viable city.
The Bible teaches that Babylon, as the capital city of the Antichrist, will one day develop into a worldwide center of commercial trade and the center of the last days one-world religion (Rev. 17, 18). But near the end of The Tribulation, God will utterly and completely destroy it, reducing it to a place of uninhabitable rubble (Isa. 13:20-21, Jer. 50:13, 39-40). Isaiah 13:20 and Jer. 50:39 tell us that from the time of that destruction, it will NEVER be inhabited again. So complete will the destruction be, that it will be like Sodom and Gomorrah... no recognizable ruins... no artifacts... not one single piece of evidence that it ever existed... just like Sodom and Gomorrah today. Isaiah 13:19-20 says,
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
So even though the Bible says that it will become a great commercial and religious center of the world before God destroys it, it certainly is NOT that thriving metropolis YET. BUT, we may be witnessing the beginnings of its revival!
Opponents of this interpretation usually point to the United States, Rome, or some other city as the "new Babylon" spoken of in the Bible and not the actual city situated on the Euphrates River sixty miles south of Baghdad, Iraq. They interpret Rev. 17 to be speaking of Babylon symbolically to actually mean some other city. And, they would certainly say that these recent attempts to restore the ruins of Babylon are to only create a tourist attraction, at most... hardly the great metropolis described in the Bible.
It is true that Babylon is not presently a great city. But again, what we're seeing there now is only the beginning. But even as a tourist attraction with only a very small population, it is NOT the uninhabitable ruins that Isaiah and Jeremiah said it would become forever. So, any previous "destruction" of Babylon does NOT fit the Biblical description. In fact, history shows that even though Babylon was defeated, it was never utterly destroyed. It simply fell into centuries of decline and insignificance after the Medo-Persian Empire defeat of the Babylonians in 539 BC.
With the political changes in Iraq in the last six years and now the beginnings of the restoration of Babylon, the stage is being set for the fulfillment of Bible Prophecy! Babylon is on the rise again!
Babylon Is on the Rise
By Al Gist
According to the July 2 issue of "Stars and Stripes" military newspaper,
"...soldiers with the 172nd Infantry Brigade are exploring the ruins [of Babylon] as part of a U.S.-Iraqi effort to preserve the ancient city and plan for the return of Western tourists. Members of the brigade's 2nd Battalion, 28th Infantry Regiment escorted a group of U.S. heritage tourism experts to the ruins last week for the first of several visits to develop a preservation and tourism plan for the area." (emphasis mine)
So, plans are being made now in a joint US-Iraqi effort to restore some of the ruins of Babylon and implement a plan to draw tourists to the area.
Before the removal of the Saddam Hussein regime, millions of dollars had been spent by the dictator to restore many of the ruins of the ancient city. But since the invasion of the US-led coalition, the head of the British Museum's Near East department has criticized the soldiers for "damaging and contaminating artifacts" there. So now, with $700,000 allocated by the US State Dept. and the World Monuments Fund, a plan is being developed with the Iraqi government "to preserve the site and develop a local tourism industry". (emphasis mine) No doubt, with that "tourism industry" will come hotels, restaurants, souvenir stores, etc., the beginnings of a viable city.
The Bible teaches that Babylon, as the capital city of the Antichrist, will one day develop into a worldwide center of commercial trade and the center of the last days one-world religion (Rev. 17, 18). But near the end of The Tribulation, God will utterly and completely destroy it, reducing it to a place of uninhabitable rubble (Isa. 13:20-21, Jer. 50:13, 39-40). Isaiah 13:20 and Jer. 50:39 tell us that from the time of that destruction, it will NEVER be inhabited again. So complete will the destruction be, that it will be like Sodom and Gomorrah... no recognizable ruins... no artifacts... not one single piece of evidence that it ever existed... just like Sodom and Gomorrah today. Isaiah 13:19-20 says,
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
So even though the Bible says that it will become a great commercial and religious center of the world before God destroys it, it certainly is NOT that thriving metropolis YET. BUT, we may be witnessing the beginnings of its revival!
Opponents of this interpretation usually point to the United States, Rome, or some other city as the "new Babylon" spoken of in the Bible and not the actual city situated on the Euphrates River sixty miles south of Baghdad, Iraq. They interpret Rev. 17 to be speaking of Babylon symbolically to actually mean some other city. And, they would certainly say that these recent attempts to restore the ruins of Babylon are to only create a tourist attraction, at most... hardly the great metropolis described in the Bible.
It is true that Babylon is not presently a great city. But again, what we're seeing there now is only the beginning. But even as a tourist attraction with only a very small population, it is NOT the uninhabitable ruins that Isaiah and Jeremiah said it would become forever. So, any previous "destruction" of Babylon does NOT fit the Biblical description. In fact, history shows that even though Babylon was defeated, it was never utterly destroyed. It simply fell into centuries of decline and insignificance after the Medo-Persian Empire defeat of the Babylonians in 539 BC.
With the political changes in Iraq in the last six years and now the beginnings of the restoration of Babylon, the stage is being set for the fulfillment of Bible Prophecy! Babylon is on the rise again!