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Bible Study BABYLON
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What does it mean today?
There is a Babylon described in Revelation 18 that sounds very much like the US. However, at the very end of the chapter there is a description that does not seem to fit.
Revelation 18:23-24
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
When one considers that the word soceries is really pharmacia and one considers that the US invention of and global distribution of oral contraceptives results in the abortion of up to 25-35% of every ovulation, the blood of innocents may be very much on our hands.
Considering that the war in Ezekiel 38-39 has not yet happened and that a Russian Iranian allied attack on Israel would probably not happen without knocking us out of the picture first, a nuclear attack on the US (destruction in an hour) seems possible.
The Bible does speak about nations that are drenched in blood receiving judgment. Oh that Christians would repent of their friendship with the world and humbly seek the Lord to give them understanding.
Revelation 18:23-24
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
When one considers that the word soceries is really pharmacia and one considers that the US invention of and global distribution of oral contraceptives results in the abortion of up to 25-35% of every ovulation, the blood of innocents may be very much on our hands.
Considering that the war in Ezekiel 38-39 has not yet happened and that a Russian Iranian allied attack on Israel would probably not happen without knocking us out of the picture first, a nuclear attack on the US (destruction in an hour) seems possible.
The Bible does speak about nations that are drenched in blood receiving judgment. Oh that Christians would repent of their friendship with the world and humbly seek the Lord to give them understanding.
turnorburn
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I'm amazed the number of people that say the United States, nice guess but wrong :smt014
then a debate ensues
sheshisown
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Hello fellow studiers,
The word Babylon apears 260 times in the KJV, the first occurance in 2 Kings 17:24 as follows;
And the king of Assyria brought [men] from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed [them] in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.
Because the Lord first uses the word Babylon here I infer a warning to us who would follow after our Lord whole-heartedly. Why? Because much of this chapter is spent in vindicating God's Divine providence and justice; showing the reason why God permitted such a desolation to fall on His people who had so long been His peculiar children. Outling the details of their fall, and giving the cleansing truth as a way of escape for us.
Here is a list of the reasons the Lord gives for His judgement, maybe incomplete, if so feel free to correct it.
*They disregarded the God of their redemption, by fearing other gods.
*They conformed their lives to the nations who were godless around them.
*They secretly and openly practiced idolitry.
*They rejected the repeated warnings of God.
*They forgot God and served idols; until His judgement finally came upon them.
It seems to me that the US is acting in many ways very similiar toward God. Israel's King had become a vassal paid by tribute money, he had sought the help of the Egyptians, but all his political intrigues were unveiled. God used human instruments to judge the rebellion of His people. So the people were carried away into Assyria, and the Assyrian King placed Babylonians and other peoples who did not fear God in their lands. Then lions were sent to terriorize these usurpers.
I really like the commentary of Spurgeon for this text.
“He did send lions among them, and it was these lions that converted them. Their teeth and fangs and fiery eyes and the thunders of their roars converted them. They must have a god to deliver them: they could not bear the lions, therefore they must fear the Lord who could send lions, and who perhaps would cease to send them. Now, dear friends, always be somewhat diffident of your own conversion if you can trace it only and solely to motives of terror.†(Charles Haddon Spurgeon)
Is it the fires of hell we fear alone, or do we fear the slow absence of the Blessed Holy One from our awareness? :crazyeyes:
And eventually out of all this rebellion and judgement and infusion of godless people came the mixed religion of Samaria, in which idols and Jehovah were worshipped along-side one another. Certainly their worship had elements of the true faith in it; but at the same time it was corrupted by the centuries of state-sponsored idolatry that ruled in Israel.
Again Spurgeon puts a deft finger on the trouble, speaking of his day and his England, his words now echo to Americans.
“Is not worldly piety, or pious worldliness, the current religion of England? They live among godly people, and God chastens them, and they therefore fear him, but not enough to give their hearts to him. They seek out a trimming teacher who is not too precise and plain-spoken, and they settle down comfortably to a mongrel faith, half truth, half error, and a mongrel worship half dead form, and half orthodoxy. Let me be right, and let there be no mistake about it; but do not let me try to be both right and wrong, washed and filthy, white and black, a child of God and a child of Satan.†(Charles Haddon Spurgeon)
The Holy Word ends this chapter with a gift, the corrective and healing balm of our loving Father.
"But the Lord your God you shall fear; and He will deliver you from the hand of all your enemies." :-D
Father in Heaven teach us to daily give our hearts to You, let us never grow weary and seek comfort and only half of Your person nor half of Your truth as our guide. Lord make us more wholy/Holy Yours today. In the lovely name of Jesus. amen. bonnie
The word Babylon apears 260 times in the KJV, the first occurance in 2 Kings 17:24 as follows;
And the king of Assyria brought [men] from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed [them] in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.
Because the Lord first uses the word Babylon here I infer a warning to us who would follow after our Lord whole-heartedly. Why? Because much of this chapter is spent in vindicating God's Divine providence and justice; showing the reason why God permitted such a desolation to fall on His people who had so long been His peculiar children. Outling the details of their fall, and giving the cleansing truth as a way of escape for us.
Here is a list of the reasons the Lord gives for His judgement, maybe incomplete, if so feel free to correct it.
*They disregarded the God of their redemption, by fearing other gods.
*They conformed their lives to the nations who were godless around them.
*They secretly and openly practiced idolitry.
*They rejected the repeated warnings of God.
*They forgot God and served idols; until His judgement finally came upon them.
It seems to me that the US is acting in many ways very similiar toward God. Israel's King had become a vassal paid by tribute money, he had sought the help of the Egyptians, but all his political intrigues were unveiled. God used human instruments to judge the rebellion of His people. So the people were carried away into Assyria, and the Assyrian King placed Babylonians and other peoples who did not fear God in their lands. Then lions were sent to terriorize these usurpers.
I really like the commentary of Spurgeon for this text.
“He did send lions among them, and it was these lions that converted them. Their teeth and fangs and fiery eyes and the thunders of their roars converted them. They must have a god to deliver them: they could not bear the lions, therefore they must fear the Lord who could send lions, and who perhaps would cease to send them. Now, dear friends, always be somewhat diffident of your own conversion if you can trace it only and solely to motives of terror.†(Charles Haddon Spurgeon)
Is it the fires of hell we fear alone, or do we fear the slow absence of the Blessed Holy One from our awareness? :crazyeyes:
And eventually out of all this rebellion and judgement and infusion of godless people came the mixed religion of Samaria, in which idols and Jehovah were worshipped along-side one another. Certainly their worship had elements of the true faith in it; but at the same time it was corrupted by the centuries of state-sponsored idolatry that ruled in Israel.
Again Spurgeon puts a deft finger on the trouble, speaking of his day and his England, his words now echo to Americans.
“Is not worldly piety, or pious worldliness, the current religion of England? They live among godly people, and God chastens them, and they therefore fear him, but not enough to give their hearts to him. They seek out a trimming teacher who is not too precise and plain-spoken, and they settle down comfortably to a mongrel faith, half truth, half error, and a mongrel worship half dead form, and half orthodoxy. Let me be right, and let there be no mistake about it; but do not let me try to be both right and wrong, washed and filthy, white and black, a child of God and a child of Satan.†(Charles Haddon Spurgeon)
The Holy Word ends this chapter with a gift, the corrective and healing balm of our loving Father.
"But the Lord your God you shall fear; and He will deliver you from the hand of all your enemies." :-D
Father in Heaven teach us to daily give our hearts to You, let us never grow weary and seek comfort and only half of Your person nor half of Your truth as our guide. Lord make us more wholy/Holy Yours today. In the lovely name of Jesus. amen. bonnie
turnorburn
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I like Spurgeon as well, what a gift from God this man was, the lightning followed the thunder when he spoke...
I should not choose to plow with two old horses, spavined and broken-winded and altogether past work: pity the poor horses, and pity the poor plowman, and no pity at all for the farmer who keeps such wretched cattle. When I see a man whipping and slashing a poor brute of a horse, I want to kick him; but at the same time, I feel glad that Violet and Dapper go well enough with the sound of the whip without needing to be paid like lawyers for all they do. A man who Mocks a horse about ought to be put in harness himself and be driven about by a butcher. There's a good deal to be done with animals with kindness, and nothing with cruelty. He who is unmerciful to his beast is worse than a beast himself.
I should not choose to be a bob-tailed cowl in summertime, nor a servant with a score of masters, nor a minister with half-a-dozen ignorant tyrants for deacons, nor a man who lives with his mother-in-law. Nor should I like to try the truth of the old saying:
"Two cats and one mouse,
Two women in one house,
Two dogs to one bone,
Will not agree long."
Especially when it comes to Babylon that Great City :smt018
Thanks,
turnorburn
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Imagican
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Allow us to use the FULL description of the 'Babylon' offered up in Revelation and we can THEN see that it is NOT in reference to the ANCIENT Babylon, but a 'different Babylon'. Related in ACTS but NOT in the historical sense of location or peoples. The name used is MYTERY Babylon.
And what other nation has become SO RICH on the reliance of 'their merchants'? what OTHER countries would the REST of the world MORN like that of America should her WEALTH cease to FLOW?
of WHAT consequence is ROME on the world market?
And what an astute vision offered in that IF Russia, China, and the Arab nations DO combine forces in order to attack Israel, HOW IS IT NOT mentioned that WE were THERE to intervene? UNLESS of course, we NO LONGER exist as a NATION at the time of these events unfolding. That IF we are INDEED 'Mytery Babylon', the Bible DESCRIBES the destruction of such in amazing DETAIL. A 'comet' or asteroid falling off the east coast of North America would create the EXACT scenario offered up in Revelation concerning 'Wormwood'. and nuclear detonations would VERY accruately describe a NUCLEAR attack against the same. Suppose that these two events were to FOLLOW each other. What THEN would all the military MIGHT do to PREVENT such events. IF after SUCH a natural disaster as 'Wormwood', the powers of the world decided that NOW the 'time is RIPE' for an attack against America, what COULD we DO to prevent it?
The World in general FEARS and HATES us in these present days. The corrupt leaders of the world have SEEN the example of our possible INTERVENTION in 'their plans' if allowed to continue in the same path as the past. What WOULDN'T these DO to intervene in the destruction of one DEEMED to BE so 'against their wishes'?
China has vowed to LIBERATE the world with their governmental concept of communism. Russia is 'not over yet' folks. The Arabs have VOWED to destroy Israel at ALL costs. Is it THAT hard to SEE the events unfolding RIGHT BEFORE our VERY EYES. That the scenario offered up in Revelation is on the EDGE of reality. That ALL those mentioned in Revelation are IN PLACE. That it's ONLY a matter of the LEADER stepping forward and TAKING his PLACE.
America is a 'has been' in todays global economy and military might. We are STILL in control of 'what's left' of our economy for a MOMENT longer. But as SOON as the EURO takes it's RIGHTFUL place as the basis for the value of commodoties, then OUR dollar WILL surely DIE. And IF one takes into consideration that a MAJOR porition of the wealth that WE possess IN our country is NOT EVEN OURS, what happens when this wealth DISAPPEARS over night? When the dollars that are collected by foreign intersts 'goes back HOME overnight', where does that LEAVE our economy? And take into consideration that it is NOT ONLY the people of this country that have LEARNED to LIVE on credit, our GOVERNMENT began DOING the SAME long before the PEOPLE. What HAPPENS when the Federal Reserve or the nations that have bought OUR debt FROM the Federal Reserve DEMAND that it be PAID? What happens when the PRINTERS and distributors of OUR paper decide to QUIT prinitng it or simple devalue it to the point that it's WORTHLESS in a 'global market economy'?
We have GLORIED in OURSELVES as a nation for well over a hundred years. BELIEVING that it's US able to secure our OWN blessings. HOW do you reacon that 'stacks up' in God's EYES? When we print along side word that state, "in God We Trust'', at the SAME time offering others that state, "Making Way for a NEW World Order''. Does this NOT SHOW that those in power have BELIEVED that it was THROUGH THEIR OWN POWER that they were ABLE to MAKE this country GREAT.
Such pride can ONLY lead to 'a fall'. For God WILL not be mocked WITHOUT reprecussion. He USED Egypt, the GREATEST power of it's day, to SHOW the world that EVEN IT, in ALL IT'S Glory was UNABLE to stand other than it BE the will of God. We SEE the evidence of the REPRECUSSION of God's will TODAY. That those of this 'ONCE GREAT COUNTRY' are unable to even UNDERSTAND the languages of their ancestors. Unable to even PIECE together their OWN history. Their 'ONCE GREAT CITIES' now laying under MULTI-LAYERS of sand that have all but UTTERLY ERASED their previous Glory. Is there ANYONE that does NOT believe that God is ABLE to DO SO to ANY such civilization that HE CHOOSES? Or that He is ABLE to ALLOW what it would TAKE for US to BE destroyed by others? Or that such a NATURAL disaster as 'Wormwood' is UNABLE to HAPPEN to US? If so, then I would CONTEND that it is ONLY through this SAME 'false pride' that once existed in the hearts of those of ANCIENT Babylon or Egypt that would make it POSSIBLE to DENY the WILL of God.
Blessings,
MEC
And what other nation has become SO RICH on the reliance of 'their merchants'? what OTHER countries would the REST of the world MORN like that of America should her WEALTH cease to FLOW?
of WHAT consequence is ROME on the world market?
And what an astute vision offered in that IF Russia, China, and the Arab nations DO combine forces in order to attack Israel, HOW IS IT NOT mentioned that WE were THERE to intervene? UNLESS of course, we NO LONGER exist as a NATION at the time of these events unfolding. That IF we are INDEED 'Mytery Babylon', the Bible DESCRIBES the destruction of such in amazing DETAIL. A 'comet' or asteroid falling off the east coast of North America would create the EXACT scenario offered up in Revelation concerning 'Wormwood'. and nuclear detonations would VERY accruately describe a NUCLEAR attack against the same. Suppose that these two events were to FOLLOW each other. What THEN would all the military MIGHT do to PREVENT such events. IF after SUCH a natural disaster as 'Wormwood', the powers of the world decided that NOW the 'time is RIPE' for an attack against America, what COULD we DO to prevent it?
The World in general FEARS and HATES us in these present days. The corrupt leaders of the world have SEEN the example of our possible INTERVENTION in 'their plans' if allowed to continue in the same path as the past. What WOULDN'T these DO to intervene in the destruction of one DEEMED to BE so 'against their wishes'?
China has vowed to LIBERATE the world with their governmental concept of communism. Russia is 'not over yet' folks. The Arabs have VOWED to destroy Israel at ALL costs. Is it THAT hard to SEE the events unfolding RIGHT BEFORE our VERY EYES. That the scenario offered up in Revelation is on the EDGE of reality. That ALL those mentioned in Revelation are IN PLACE. That it's ONLY a matter of the LEADER stepping forward and TAKING his PLACE.
America is a 'has been' in todays global economy and military might. We are STILL in control of 'what's left' of our economy for a MOMENT longer. But as SOON as the EURO takes it's RIGHTFUL place as the basis for the value of commodoties, then OUR dollar WILL surely DIE. And IF one takes into consideration that a MAJOR porition of the wealth that WE possess IN our country is NOT EVEN OURS, what happens when this wealth DISAPPEARS over night? When the dollars that are collected by foreign intersts 'goes back HOME overnight', where does that LEAVE our economy? And take into consideration that it is NOT ONLY the people of this country that have LEARNED to LIVE on credit, our GOVERNMENT began DOING the SAME long before the PEOPLE. What HAPPENS when the Federal Reserve or the nations that have bought OUR debt FROM the Federal Reserve DEMAND that it be PAID? What happens when the PRINTERS and distributors of OUR paper decide to QUIT prinitng it or simple devalue it to the point that it's WORTHLESS in a 'global market economy'?
We have GLORIED in OURSELVES as a nation for well over a hundred years. BELIEVING that it's US able to secure our OWN blessings. HOW do you reacon that 'stacks up' in God's EYES? When we print along side word that state, "in God We Trust'', at the SAME time offering others that state, "Making Way for a NEW World Order''. Does this NOT SHOW that those in power have BELIEVED that it was THROUGH THEIR OWN POWER that they were ABLE to MAKE this country GREAT.
Such pride can ONLY lead to 'a fall'. For God WILL not be mocked WITHOUT reprecussion. He USED Egypt, the GREATEST power of it's day, to SHOW the world that EVEN IT, in ALL IT'S Glory was UNABLE to stand other than it BE the will of God. We SEE the evidence of the REPRECUSSION of God's will TODAY. That those of this 'ONCE GREAT COUNTRY' are unable to even UNDERSTAND the languages of their ancestors. Unable to even PIECE together their OWN history. Their 'ONCE GREAT CITIES' now laying under MULTI-LAYERS of sand that have all but UTTERLY ERASED their previous Glory. Is there ANYONE that does NOT believe that God is ABLE to DO SO to ANY such civilization that HE CHOOSES? Or that He is ABLE to ALLOW what it would TAKE for US to BE destroyed by others? Or that such a NATURAL disaster as 'Wormwood' is UNABLE to HAPPEN to US? If so, then I would CONTEND that it is ONLY through this SAME 'false pride' that once existed in the hearts of those of ANCIENT Babylon or Egypt that would make it POSSIBLE to DENY the WILL of God.
Blessings,
MEC
turnorburn
Member
A clue perhaps? the head of this nation makes an agreement with Israel in exchange for peace
and protection. This will be necessary because all of the other nations will be planning to come
against the Hebrews, this also will happen I believe in our generation. :smt045
sheshisown
Member
Hi Turnorburn,
You said;
I like Spurgeon as well, what a gift from God this man was, the lightning followed the thunder when he spoke..
Yes, there are those who are fathers to us in the faith, some thru sharing the gospel, and some have shared the power of God's grace to live for Christ. Spurgeon did both and more. . . 8-)
Turnorburn You also gave us a clue ... A clue perhaps? the head of this nation makes an agreement with Israel in exchange for peace and protection. This will be necessary because all of the other nations will be planning to come against the Hebrews, this also will happen I believe in our generation.
I was wondering if you might be willing to offer some of your biblical research as clues . . . you know like we could follow the treasured word to enlightenment regarding this mystery (?) Say, can you hear our little foot steps following behind what God showed you? Ya think? Perhaps you show us where to start, there is much written and inferred regarding this Babylon I think.
Anywho~ I will be hoping for insights to drop from the imprints in your posts. :infinity: YES? bonnie
You said;
I like Spurgeon as well, what a gift from God this man was, the lightning followed the thunder when he spoke..
Yes, there are those who are fathers to us in the faith, some thru sharing the gospel, and some have shared the power of God's grace to live for Christ. Spurgeon did both and more. . . 8-)
Turnorburn You also gave us a clue ... A clue perhaps? the head of this nation makes an agreement with Israel in exchange for peace and protection. This will be necessary because all of the other nations will be planning to come against the Hebrews, this also will happen I believe in our generation.
I was wondering if you might be willing to offer some of your biblical research as clues . . . you know like we could follow the treasured word to enlightenment regarding this mystery (?) Say, can you hear our little foot steps following behind what God showed you? Ya think? Perhaps you show us where to start, there is much written and inferred regarding this Babylon I think.
Anywho~ I will be hoping for insights to drop from the imprints in your posts. :infinity: YES? bonnie
turnorburn
Member
Yes I will sheshisown at the risk of being banned from these forums, but first I would ask of you one favor, a lot to ask granted, seeing we hardly know one another. Watch this video and listen,
when your finished post back and the fun begins, "at my expense of course"
Thanks,
turnorburn
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.sw ... ode=simple
when your finished post back and the fun begins, "at my expense of course"
Thanks,
turnorburn
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.sw ... ode=simple
sheshisown said:
sheshisown
Member
turnorburn said:
Hello brother,
Well, I listened to Pastor Washer's sermon on Matthew 7:13-29 and I believe it was right on. I go to one of many Calvary Chapels, and although we have seen the true doctrine of repentence to salvation shelved to some extent for a deceitful one time confession only faith even among our fellowships, many hold to the narrow gate, AND the narrow path.
We specifically teach and preach that repentance is required prior to salvation and that God always changes ones life, increasingly. My fellowship teaches that we are saved daily. This means we have to examine ourselves and that we ought to be increasing in a lifestyle of repentence and walking in the will of God. Being fully pleasing to Him, and fruitful in every good work~ and in joyful patience by His power and thru His grace, for He alone is worthy.
Personally, I loved and was quickened by some of the pastors words.
*The most important thing is not knowing Jesus, rather that Jesus knows YOU!
*Those who love you most, tell you the truth most.
* A genuine Christian will not live in continual carnality.
*Radical Christians dress talk and walk in holiness toward God, not toward man.
*Not to seek for self or my children security insurance and nice homes, but a banner for Jesus and a willingness to bear it to the death the life of Christ within!
Very convicting! Praise the Lord for a little self!
It is difficult for me to understand why this particular truth from God's word, or recognising His Holiness would be offensive here. Even if you hold to an interpretation of the city of Babylon in Rev. 17 as a divided and heavily decieved U.S. how could that be bannable? I am asking our Father in heaven to keep His hand and watchful ways on all the board, especially on this discussion. End times issues are frought with battles so often, however, the Lord is ABLE!
Also, just wanted you to be aware that I am studying thru the scriptures you gave . . . the crumbs to follow, and am finding much work in it. So it will be a bit before I answer.
Also, please pray for the 3rd and 4th graders I am granted to teach for this coming Sundays class, open hearts and minds to the word of God, and especially for me to be conformed and renewed in my mind, soul, and heart, and full of the Holy Spirit to teach.
Praise our Lord and blessed Savior, Jesus Christ, forevermore! bonnie :D
Ancient Babylon, was a place of rebellion against God, and self aggrandizement of man. Their tower was their own version of heaven, and Nimrod was planning to sit upon it as God.
Today we have just such a world, one that has been trying to build its own version of utopia. The Babylon of Revelation 18 is the end of just such a place, and represents the world at the end of the age. When man, has placed himself on such a high panicle, he perceives himself as god. Look at the world today, science in their own mind has proven there is no God, medicine plays God with human life everyday, plans are being made to carry human corruption to even Gods universe, hence another tower of Babel. And one is coming, who will pronounce himself as God.
The destruction in Revelation comes when the Stone cut without hands, crushes the feet of that great statue, and it all falls down. And the kingdoms of the world, becomes once again the kingdom of God.
Those who are looking for a physical appearance of Ancient Babylon, will be searching when the dust has all settled, and will find themselves without looking in. Modern scholarly Bible interpretation, has complicated the meaning of scripture, and clouded the simplicity of Christ. Knock and it shall be opened, seek and you will find, these are all instruction on our dependence in God to reveal such things through his spirit, not books of Greek Gammer.
Today we have just such a world, one that has been trying to build its own version of utopia. The Babylon of Revelation 18 is the end of just such a place, and represents the world at the end of the age. When man, has placed himself on such a high panicle, he perceives himself as god. Look at the world today, science in their own mind has proven there is no God, medicine plays God with human life everyday, plans are being made to carry human corruption to even Gods universe, hence another tower of Babel. And one is coming, who will pronounce himself as God.
The destruction in Revelation comes when the Stone cut without hands, crushes the feet of that great statue, and it all falls down. And the kingdoms of the world, becomes once again the kingdom of God.
Those who are looking for a physical appearance of Ancient Babylon, will be searching when the dust has all settled, and will find themselves without looking in. Modern scholarly Bible interpretation, has complicated the meaning of scripture, and clouded the simplicity of Christ. Knock and it shall be opened, seek and you will find, these are all instruction on our dependence in God to reveal such things through his spirit, not books of Greek Gammer.
turnorburn
Member
Sometimes the world around us gets cluttered up with all sorts modern ideas and inventions, man was created in Gods image so it stands to reason that man is creative, he will create, but with the mind of Christ? or by the will of the flesh? The answer is as plain as the nose on your face, heres the rub, man has out smarted himself, in his vain attempt to be wise he became the fool. Who sits on a throne today and proclaims that he "Is God"
: [sheshisown, I preached in a grade school in 1974 to 5th. & 6th. graders, 75 hit the ball field after the invitation I'd say 30 were saved. Not an easy task you say? "With God All Things Are Possible"] :-D In His Service,
turnorburn
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theleast
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To understand Babylon, one must also understand the great whore that sitteth upon many waters, and one must also understand what is the waters. Fortunatly scripture tells us.
It is all in Revelation 17.
The waters are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. It is humanity.
The whore is the mother of all harlots. The whore is false religion. She is drunk with the blood of prophets and saints. And who has put all the prophets and saints to death? False religions have, for if they had known the true God that would have heeded the words of the saints.
And Babylon?
Babylon is the whore (for it is written on her forehead), and the whore is that great city which reigneth over ALL the kings of the earth.
Which city reigns over all the kings of the earth? Discover that and you will know the mystery. Pray God reveals it unto you.
It is all in Revelation 17.
The waters are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. It is humanity.
The whore is the mother of all harlots. The whore is false religion. She is drunk with the blood of prophets and saints. And who has put all the prophets and saints to death? False religions have, for if they had known the true God that would have heeded the words of the saints.
And Babylon?
Babylon is the whore (for it is written on her forehead), and the whore is that great city which reigneth over ALL the kings of the earth.
Which city reigns over all the kings of the earth? Discover that and you will know the mystery. Pray God reveals it unto you.
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wHiTe B o Y 161
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babylon is america.
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theleast
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wHiTe B o Y 161 said:
Can you back that up with scripture?
Babylon is carried by the beast with seven heads and ten horns. The seven heads are seven mountains, and the ten horns are ten kings. Scripture tells us so.
Babylon is also the whore, for that name is written on her forehead. And yet later on in scripture the ten kings hate the whore and burn her with fire.
So if Babylon is only America as you suppose, then why would the ten kings that help to carry her hate her and burn her with fire?
turnorburn
Member
The United States? :crazyeyes:
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Catholic Crusader
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Babylon in Revelation and in Peter's epistle refers to ancient pagan Rometurnorburn said:
What does it mean today?
turnorburn
Member
sheshisown
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Hello all~
CC wrote; "Babylon in Revelation and in Peter's epistle refers to ancient pagan Rome"
~The response seems to be positive~
If, Babylon in Revelation is "ancient pagan" Rome, then how can it represent an end times world religion and economy? Wouldn't it have to be a future city~ (if not also a currently existing city)?
Just a few pennies for the pot . . . my contribution. :smt045 . . . bonnie
CC wrote; "Babylon in Revelation and in Peter's epistle refers to ancient pagan Rome"
~The response seems to be positive~
turnorburn said:
If, Babylon in Revelation is "ancient pagan" Rome, then how can it represent an end times world religion and economy? Wouldn't it have to be a future city~ (if not also a currently existing city)?
Just a few pennies for the pot . . . my contribution. :smt045 . . . bonnie