Banned From The Bible

[Lewis]

If you have the History Channel, tonight Friday 6/16/06, at 8:00 PM on the east coast, books that were banned from the Bible and why will be on TV. I guess for mid and western USA it will be on at 8:00 PM also in the proper time slots.
It is called, Banned From The Bible. Don't forget to post what you think.

 

[Sothenes]

Is this a pro-Catholic segment about the apocrapha or deuterocannonical books? I don't have the history channel.

 

[Lewis]

Is this a pro-Catholic segment about the apocrapha or deuterocannonical books? I don't have the history channel.

I don't know I never saw this one before. You can go to the History Channel online I guess, and find out.

 

[reznwerks]

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Is this a pro-Catholic segment about the apocrapha or deuterocannonical books? I don't have the history channel.

NEW YORK, Dec. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- When Jesus was a boy, did he kill
another child? Was Mary Magdalene a prostitute -- or an apostle? Did Cain
commit incest? Will there be an apocalypse or is this God's trick to scare us?
The answers to these questions aren't found in the Bible as we know it, but
they exist in scriptures banned when powerful leaders deemed them unacceptable
for reasons both political and religious. BANNED FROM THE BIBLE reveals some
of these alternative tales and examines why they were "too hot for
Christianity."
The Life of Adam and Eve: A more detailed story of creation than what
is found in Genesis, this book includes jealous angels, a more devious
serpent, and more information about Eve's fall from grace from her
point of view.

* The Book of Jubilees: This obscure Hebrew text offers an answer to a
question that has vexed Christians for centuries -- if Adam and Eve
only had sons, and if no other humans existed, who gave birth to
humanity? This text reveals that Adam and Eve had nine children and
that Cain's younger sister Awan became his wife. The idea that humanity
was born of incest would have been radical -- and heretical.

* The Book of Enoch: This scripture reads like a modern day action film,
telling of fallen angels, bloodthirsty giants, an earth that had become
home to an increasingly flawed humanity and a divine judgment to be
rendered though denied a place in most Western Bibles; it has been used
for centuries by Ethiopian Christians. Large portions of this book were
found as part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

* The Infancy Gospel of Thomas: The only book that deals with young
Jesus, it indicates that Jesus was a strong-willed child who one
historian describes as "Dennis the Menace as God." The book reveals
that at age five, Jesus may have killed a boy by pushing push him off a
roof and then resurrected him. Perhaps too disturbing for inclusion in
the Bible, this book seems to contain traditions, also known to the
Koran.

* The Protovangelion of James: This book offers details of the life of
the Virgin Mary, her parents, her birth and her youth, stories not
found in the New Testament Gospels but was beloved by many early
Christians.

* The Gospel of Mary: This Gnostic Text reveals that Mary Magdalene may
have been an apostle, perhaps even a leading apostle, not a prostitute.
While some texts in the Bible seem to deny women a voice in the
Christian community, this texts helps spark the debate about the role
of women in the church.

* The Gospel of Nicodemus: This is the story of Jesus's trial and
execution and his descent into hell. According to this gospel the
Savior asserts his power over Satan by freeing patriarchs such as Adam,
Isaiah and Abraham from Hell.

* The Apocalypse of Peter: Peter's apocalypse suggests that there is a
way out of punishment for evildoers and implies that the threat of the
apocalypse is a way for God to scare people into living a moral life,
and committing fewer sins.


http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stori ... 002&EDATE=
This documentary originally aired in 2003 I believe.

 

[Lewis]

I already own a book called The Lost Books Of The Bible. And those books are ridiculous. I just keep it for my collection.

 

[ChristineES]

Sounds interesting. I just finished a book about the The Gospel of Judas, and am suddenly very interested in Gnostic and apocrypha texts. I read one or two of the infancy gospels, and there was one where Jesus was making clay birds and bringing them to life.
I just may watch it.

 

[Lewis]

Sounds interesting. I just finished a book about the The Gospel of Judas, and am suddenly very interested in Gnostic and apocrypha texts. I read one or two of the infancy gospels, and there was one where Jesus was making clay birds and bringing them to life.
I just may watch it.

And yes that clay bird thing of Jesus making them come to life, is in the Quran.
Further proving that book to be false.

 

[PDoug]

And yes that clay bird thing of Jesus making them come to life, is in the Quran.
Further proving that book to be false.

The Quran also mentions God and Christ. Does the fact God and Christ are mentioned in the Quran, mean also that the Bible is false, and that God and Christ don't exist?

 

[Lewis]

And yes that clay bird thing of Jesus making them come to life, is in the Quran.
Further proving that book to be false.

The Quran also mentions God and Christ. Does the fact God and Christ are mentioned in the Quran, mean also that the Bible is false, and that God and Christ don't exist?

The Quran is not the inspired Word of God. Muhammed use to always say if you don't believe me go to the Bible. The Bible was written and completed befor Muhammed was born. The Bible is the standard, by which the Quran has to measure up and agree with. But it does not. In the Quran in Sura 2:136, i am trying to remember this stuff from a study I did years ago . But anyway it says that we believe the Bible, and then it turns around and has Moses, Haman and Abraham building the Kabah, with it's 360 idols. God holding Mount Sinai over the heads of the Jews threatening to squash them. The Quran also says that Jesus is not the son of God, Sura 4:157, 5:19,75 and 9:30. He also said that a scale of balance, will be used on the day of judgement Suras 42:17, 101:6-9. And Moses was resurrected Sura 2:259. And how about Nimrod being delivered from Abraham's fire. Suras 21:51-71 29:6,17 . And how about the golden calf jumping out of the fire, fully formed and actually mooed. Suras 7 148, 20:88. I did a complete study on them, so please don't hit me with that again. And again Sura 2: 136 says that this book agrees with the Bible, does it ? No because for it to do so it would have to match up with the Bible and it does not, it fails badly.

 

[PDoug]

Lewis W

I never said or suggested that the Quran is inspired work. I have not looked at it, and I have no inclination to do so. My point is, just because something is mentioned in a false work (assuming the Quran is false), does not mean in and of itself, that that thing is false.

 

[DivineNames]

The Quran is not the inspired Word of God. Muhammed use to always say if you don't believe me go to the Bible. The Bible was written and completed befor Muhammed was born. The Bible is the standard, by which the Quran has to measure up and agree with. But it does not.

I'm sure you know that Muslims will say that the Bible has been "corrupted". If you want to say that the Bible is the standard by which the Quran has to, "measure up and agree with", then it can be pointed out that the Old Testament is the standard by which the New Testament has to measure up to.

 

[Lewis]

The Quran is not the inspired Word of God. Muhammed use to always say if you don't believe me go to the Bible. The Bible was written and completed befor Muhammed was born. The Bible is the standard, by which the Quran has to measure up and agree with. But it does not.

I'm sure you know that Muslims will say that the Bible has been "corrupted". If you want to say that the Bible is the standard by which the Quran has to, "measure up and agree with", then it can be pointed out that the Old Testament is the standard by which the New Testament has to measure up to.

And the New Testament does, are you insinuating that it does not ? And frankly I could care less what the Muslims think, with their devil driven false faith.

 

[ArtGuy]

Re: more

* The Book of Jubilees: This obscure Hebrew text offers an answer to a
question that has vexed Christians for centuries -- if Adam and Eve
only had sons, and if no other humans existed, who gave birth to
humanity? This text reveals that Adam and Eve had nine children and
that Cain's younger sister Awan became his wife. The idea that humanity
was born of incest would have been radical -- and heretical.

This is a question I've always found interesting. A lot of people don't much like to think about this question. The only options, really, are:

- God created people other than Adam and Eve, but failed to mention it.
- Incest used to be okay, but stopped being okay at some indeterminate point in the Bible.
- Genesis, or at least parts of it, are metaphorical.

If you're a literalist, you're more or less compelled to go with the incest option, but that conflicts with a lot of people's built-in ick-mechanisms.

 

[Lewis]

Lewis W

I never said or suggested that the Quran is inspired work. I have not looked at it, and I have no inclination to do so. My point is, just because something is mentioned in a false work (assuming the Quran is false), does not mean in and of itself, that that thing is false.

Clarify please, and reznwerks please take that long link off of that first post. Because it has this page to wide.

 

[reznwerks]

clarify

Lewis W


Clarify please, and reznwerks please take that long link off of that first post. Because it has this page to wide.

Did you want me to clarify or PDoug? Did you want me to remove the link entirely? I admit it's long but don't understand what you are referring to as the page being too wide. It works fine on my computer.

 

[Lewis]

Ok Mozilla makes the post to wide, but Internet Explorer does not. And I think it was PDoug, I was asking to clarify.

 

[PDoug]

Lewis W

I never said or suggested that the Quran is inspired work. I have not looked at it, and I have no inclination to do so. My point is, just because something is mentioned in a false work (assuming the Quran is false), does not mean in and of itself, that that thing is false.

Clarify please …

If something is mentioned in a work that is false, that does not necessarily mean that that thing is false. In other words, if God is e.g. mentioned in a work that is deceitful, that does not necessarily mean that God does not exist. Therefore if the Quran mentions the story of Jesus causing clay birds to come alive, the mere fact that the story appears in the Quran does not necessarily mean that the story is untrue.

(Note: what I said above assumes that the Quran is false. I’m inclined to believe that it is, but I have never examined it to know for sure.)

 

[Lewis]

Lewis W

I never said or suggested that the Quran is inspired work. I have not looked at it, and I have no inclination to do so. My point is, just because something is mentioned in a false work (assuming the Quran is false), does not mean in and of itself, that that thing is false.

Clarify please …

If something is mentioned in a work that is false, that does not necessarily mean that that thing is false. In other words, if God is e.g. mentioned in a work that is deceitful, that does not necessarily mean that God does not exist. Therefore if the Quran mentions the story of Jesus causing clay birds to come alive, the mere fact that the story appears in the Quran does not necessarily mean that the story is untrue.

(Note: what I said above assumes that the Quran is false. I’m inclined to believe that it is, but I have never examined it to know for sure.)

Thank you.

 

[Vic C.]

Re: clarify

Clarify please, and reznwerks please take that long link off of that first post. Because it has this page to wide.

Did you want me to clarify or PDoug? Did you want me to remove the link entirely? I admit it's long but don't understand what you are referring to as the page being too wide. It works fine on my computer.

This works just fine for long links and is the accepted method of posting links.

[url=www.yada, yada, yada.com]TITLE HERE[/url]

Also, please get the quote techniques down.

Thanks

 

[Lewis]

Well that was a great great, thing on the Missing Books Of the Bible. It comes back on at 12 midnight, and I might watch it again. Many of them books i knew about and many I did not know about. But they did a fantastic job of explaining why they are not in our Bible.