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Be Aware: SDA Sect is on the Forum

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Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) beginnings:

Seventh-day Adventists trace their origins to the teachings of the American preacher William Miller (1782-1849), who preached that the second coming, or "advent" of Jesus was imminent.

(Miller said Jesus would come back on October 18, 1844)

Unfortunately Jesus did not appear on the day in 1844 promised by Miller, which became known as the Great Disappointment, and many of his followers left his movement.

Miller was followed by Ellen G. White (1827-1915), a visionary and prophet.

White taught that Jesus had indeed come again, but not to Earth. Jesus had actually returned to the "most holy place" of the heavenly temple. Jesus, she said, had started to "cleanse" the heavenly temple, and when he had done that, he would come to start cleansing the Earth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... st_1.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Miller_(preacher)

Mormons have Joe Smith, SDA has W. Miller (aka Jesus will come back in 1844) and Ellen White (aka, Jesus came back in 1844 but he returned to the heavenly temple).

And some on the forum preach their stuff.

http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw11.htm
 
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Okay...I'm finding it difficult to see the purpose of this thread. Do you feel threatened by what the SDA and LDS teach that you feel the need to "warn" others of their presence on the forums? Do you fear that someone might be "misled" by their posts/opinions/thoughts? Or is there some other purpose?

Coming from my opinion, if I were a part of a forum where the majority were LDS, I'd more than welcome those of other beliefs to join in on the discussions. I wouldn't "warn" the others who are LDS to "beware" their teachings. It's healthy to discuss and learn about other religions. If you don't learn from the sources, you sit in ignorance thinking you know about them. Then, when it matters most, your ignorance and misunderstanding of others causes more harm than good.
 
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I'm actually a little curious how many SDA folks still adhere to the older teachings like researcher has posted. Most of the current SDAs I've talked with seem to definitely be more in line w/ evangelicalism. Any way, some posts from SDAs would be nice to clarify their beliefs.
 
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Do you fear that someone might be "misled" by their posts
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Misled into legalism and away from the freedom we have in Jesus Christ would be my primary concern.
 
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toddm said:
I'm actually a little curious how many SDA folks still adhere to the older teachings like researcher has posted. Most of the current SDAs I've talked with seem to definitely be more in line w/ evangelicalism. Any way, some posts from SDAs would be nice to clarify their beliefs.
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Here's a site by some ex-Adventists I just found. Apparently they help people get out of the sect, and recover from its legalism.

Home
http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Testimo ... fault.aspx

Testimonies
http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Testimo ... fault.aspx
http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Testimo ... fault.aspx

Pretty good reading so far
 
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Here's one of them:

"Pastor Mark,

As a third generation Adventist and son of a well-known minister, I left the church and its legalism after working with an SDA outreach group, then attending Andrews University. I headed as far away from the denomination and God as I could get. I ran to drugs, drink and all sort of illegal activities. I now joke that the SDA school system should have a course on appropriate alternatives when you leave the church!

But He never stopped knocking, and one day I found the FAF web site and started studying the Word (along with my Catholic wife). His acceptance of a sinner is amazing and I praise His name every day. At last, I am saved and feel His love and a grace. Today I am an active member of a community church in my city. At age 50 I find it such a pity that I spent valuable years of my life running from a god that didn't really even exist. He was a creation of EGW and the church. WOW

I'm devoting some of my time to reaching out to SDA friends (some out of the church; some ministers) to spread the wonderful truth of a good and wonderful God, and the difference He can make in one's life through grace; amazing grace.

Thank you for your ministry and the light that you helped shine for me.

In His Grace,

Name withheld by request"
 
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could you rename this thread so that those in sda arent so offended, given the recently exchange.
 
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toddm said:
I'm actually a little curious how many SDA folks still adhere to the older teachings like researcher has posted. Most of the current SDAs I've talked with seem to definitely be more in line w/ evangelicalism. Any way, some posts from SDAs would be nice to clarify their beliefs.
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OK, truth be told this thread was conjured up as a result of the the many points the author of this thread made in the "Alcohol in Heaven" thread where myself and many others offered clear cut evidence that Jesus never drank wine and that there won't be alcohol in heaven. So that's the spirit that conjured up this thread.

I would encourage anyone wishing to check this out to simply go to that thread "Alcohol in Heaven" to see that when the argumentation was lost the personal attacks began - it is a sure sign that the debate is lost when the attacks become personal and have nothing to do with the content of the thread. so the spirit of this thread appears to be sour grapes (no pun intended regarding the wine thread).

With that as a backdrop I will simply say this about this thread: I became an SDA in 2006 after having been baptized in the Baptist church in 2004. I neither knew William Miller nor subscribe to any of his beliefs about the return of Jesus in first 1843 and then 1844. I will however give great kudos to those early SDA pioneers that recognized their error and went back to scripture to correct their error. It takes a very humble person to recognize the error they made and attempt to correct it - which is exactly what happened.

That little church that started in 1863 has grown faster than any protestant denomination in history and worldwide has more schools and hospitals than any other protestant denomination. This to me is proof positive of the tremendous blessing that the Lord has bestowed upon this little church. While most every denomination is experiencing a decline in recent years the SDA church continues to grow.

It's easy to go to a web site, pull up some info that sounds legit and post it and say this or that about a person or a group. I say do your homework. If you want to call Ellen White a false prophet, fine. Read her books. Read Desire of Ages or Steps to Christ and tell me that book was written by a person that didn't love the Lord Jesus Christ.

If anyone is curious about what SDA's generally believe (I say that because our church is being attacked by Satan just like all others) the go here and examine our fundamental beliefs. But as for getting into a contentious conversation in a thread that was designed by a hateful spirit that got it's nose out of joint because their were shown to be mistaken in another thread? In that I have no desire.
 
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toddm said:
I'm actually a little curious how many SDA folks still adhere to the older teachings like researcher has posted. Most of the current SDAs I've talked with seem to definitely be more in line w/ evangelicalism. Any way, some posts from SDAs would be nice to clarify their beliefs.
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I am not an SDA but I have studied their history. Originally they were Non-Trinitarian, but as more Baptist came into the church and took over the leadership that soon changed. It is claimed that before Ellen died that she wrote claiming that Trinitarianism is true, and they produced a document to that fact. She was in her 80,s I think, I do not know what her mental state was at that time. In her own handwriting she states that she is not a prophetess. It was the Baptist who took over the leadership of the church that claimed she was. The Seventh Day Adventist believe in the keeping of God's commandments. Not all Adventist believe she was a prophetess.
 
Here's another good site with lots of good testimonies from people who got out:

http://www.formeradventist.com/

And an excerpt..

"...As Ellen White is the only source for the Adventist teaching of the sanctuary, 1844 and the Investigating Judgment, I have renounced this teaching as well. After this Quarterly’s study of these issues, some of you might find it strange that I do so, therfore I just want to share shortly why I do not consider it biblical. First of all, it IS NOT in the Bible, and secondly, this teaching is AGAINST the Bible and the Gospel. I fully reject EGW and Uriah Smith’s understanding that the atonement was not completed at the cross. At the cross Jesus cried out, “It is fulfilled,†and the Bible is full of texts that show that salvation is a fact since the cross and not since 1844! There are many more problems with the Adventist teaching on this doctrine, I will not go more into it here but leave it for your own study.

To discover that most of what I have believed in is not biblically correct left me with mixed feelings. It is not easy to leave a church that I have my identity, education and network linked to. At the same time I really want to belong to God and follow what the Bible says. When I accepted that many of the Advenitst doctrines are unbiblical, it was like an unknown burden fell off me! I FELT SO RELIEVED! I am saved and can be a Christian without the complicated EGW-based theology! Jesus has promised that the truth shall set us free, and I praise him for setting me free from legalism and false teachings!"
 
Just read through the SDA statement of beliefs and was in agreement w/ much of it. Could someone elaborate on these two?

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:
There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)

#24 is definitely a bit confusing
 
On what basis are you suggesting that these are "good websites"?

Anyone can post anything on the internet, what are you using to discern that these are "good sites"?

I suspect that they are "good" in your eyes because they agree with your preconceived notion and are good ammunition to use against someone else.
 
Menno said:
On what basis are you suggesting that these are "good websites"?

Anyone can post anything on the internet, what are you using to discern that these are "good sites"?

I suspect that they are "good" in your eyes because they agree with your preconceived notion and are good ammunition to use against someone else.
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Read the testimonies. Do they seem fake? Seeing people be set free from enslavement is good. :)

http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Testimonies/tabid/59/Default.aspx
 
Not many people know that Ellen White invented YE creationism as it exists today. In the 19th century and early 20th century, most creationists were OE.

I have to admit that Adventists strike me as a bit on the edge of Christian belief, but I have had business dealings with a number of them, and they certainly were Christlike in their relationships with other people.

They have my admiration for that.
 
I haven't read much of White but you quote Researcher:

White taught that Jesus had indeed come again, but not to Earth. Jesus had actually returned to the "most holy place" of the heavenly temple. Jesus, she said, had started to "cleanse" the heavenly temple, and when he had done that, he would come to start cleansing the Earth.

Leviticus 16 speaks of the blood of the lamb of Atonement that cleanses the temple. Atonement is fulfilled in Heaven or in the Spirit if you will, and when Jesus fulfills it as the lamb of Rev. 5

Then watch out world!
 
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