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Qasim786
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All of Ahmed Deedats work to prove that Jesus was not crucified is from the bible, you will find the quotations that he uses,whatever version you have!
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Gary
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Deedat?.... LOL... that is so funny. ALL of Deedat's work has been debunked. Today, Deedat lies in a sick bed, unable to talk!
If THAT is where you got your understanding of Christianity from, no wonder it is so wrong!
Gary: God works in many ways. Deedat used his mouth (in many debates; in issuing many insults and curses on Christians), his hands (when debating and hurling insults at Christians) and his feet (in the miles he walked in trying to spread his anti-Christian message). Today, he cannot speak nor use his hands nor his feet.
Yes, your "Allah" has "rewarded" Deedat.
Every bit of rubbish Deedat ever put out has been rebutted and now even Muslims reject him!
(1) ALL of Deedat's work rebutted -- http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... /index.htm
(2) ANOTHER Choice -- http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/deedat.htm
(3) Deedat in the balance -- http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... eedat.html
In particular, Deedat's "work" on the "crucifixtion" is totally rebutted here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... ixion.html
You will see that Deedat makes a complete fool of himself. Even muslims agree... read this
http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... eedat.html
:bday: :wink: :bday:
If THAT is where you got your understanding of Christianity from, no wonder it is so wrong!
Sunday Times (South Africa) said:New hi-tech bed for ailing scholar
By Subashni Naidoo
Sunday Times, Durban, South Africa
Sunday 26th Jan 2003
[Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, in his new hi-tech bed, is comforted by his wife, Hawa]
DURBAN Islamic scholar Sheikh Ahmed Deedat has received a hi-tech motorised bed as a gift from Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia.
Deedat, 83, who has Locked In Syndrome - a condition that has left him paralysed from the neck down - responds to questions with eye and neck movements with the aid of an alphabet chart which he has memorised.
The specialised bed, worth between R80 000 and R90 000, arrived at Deedat's home in Verulam on Thursday. Deedat's son, Yousuf, said the prince decided to send his father the bed after his old bed had broken down.
"The bed packed up and I looked everywhere to replace the broken parts. I had no luck, as the parts were not available in South Africa. We received a call from the prince enquiring about my father's condition and I mentioned that his bed was broken and I could not find parts to replace it. Without hesitation, he sent my father a brand-new bed," he said. He said his father and the prince had developed a strong bond after his father had spent many years spreading the word of Islam. The bed was sent to the office of the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Pretoria and was then delivered to Deedat's home by the head of information, Ali Asseri, and the head of the consular section, Khalid Al-Jadaan.
Speaking through his son with the aid of the alphabet chart, Deedat said: "I am not very comfortable at present because I am not used to it yet, but I like it."
The ambassador of the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Pretoria, Sahod Zedaan, said it was an honour to deliver the bed to Deedat. "I certainly hope that it would be more comfortable for him and wish him a speedy recovery," said Zedaan.
Gary: God works in many ways. Deedat used his mouth (in many debates; in issuing many insults and curses on Christians), his hands (when debating and hurling insults at Christians) and his feet (in the miles he walked in trying to spread his anti-Christian message). Today, he cannot speak nor use his hands nor his feet.
Yes, your "Allah" has "rewarded" Deedat.
Every bit of rubbish Deedat ever put out has been rebutted and now even Muslims reject him!
(1) ALL of Deedat's work rebutted -- http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... /index.htm
(2) ANOTHER Choice -- http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/deedat.htm
(3) Deedat in the balance -- http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... eedat.html
In particular, Deedat's "work" on the "crucifixtion" is totally rebutted here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... ixion.html
You will see that Deedat makes a complete fool of himself. Even muslims agree... read this
http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... eedat.html
:bday: :wink: :bday:
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Qasim786
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From http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... eedat.html
Nonsense. Where in his lectures does Ahmed Deedat Say that he believes that Jesus was put on the cross. His arguments about the crucifiction are not the Quranic or Muslim teaching, they are from the bible. For example theres no point in me trying to prove that Jesus was not killed from the Quran to a christian because he does not accept the Quran. If you want to prove something to someone, you go to the evidence or proof that is provided from the book he professes. That doesnt meen to say that he now believes Jesus was put on the cross. Utter Nonsense! What he was doing is showing that your own bible does not show that he was killed. No Muslim believes that Jesus put on the cross, he was saved from this, God did not let the Jews Kill him.
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evanman
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Qasim has proved my point--Moslems believe in a different Jesus from the one in the Bible!
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Gary
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Deedat makes a fool of himself
TRANSVAAL IN THE 1970'S - THE SYMPOSIUM THAT LEAD TO GREAT HUMILIATION FOR MUSLIMS AND DEEDAT
In the Transvaal a symposium was organised at Benoni by Deedat's friends in which Mr John Gilchrist of the Christian faith opposed Deedat. Mr Adam Peerbhai who was present at the symposium had this to say, which we reproduce from the MUSLIM DIGEST:-
AT THE SENSATIONAL UPSET in Benoni, Transvaal, the huge audience was asked by Mr John Gilchrist, at the conclusion of Mr Ahmad Deedat's lecture on "WAS CHRIST CRUCIFIED" (which in reality was a half-Qadiani theory and Un-Islamic) [Mr Deedat believes that Jesus was crucified but did not die on the cross, he only fainted], a simple question:
IS MR DEEDAT RIGHT IN HIS EXPLANATION OF CRUCIFIXION?
The audience, without reflection, in a loud roar, said:
YES ! MR DEEDAT IS RIGHT.
So, the Benoni lawyer, Mr John Gilchrist pointed to the verse of the Holy Koran which states:
"BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM".
This is how Mr. John Gilchrist trapped the Muslim audience:
"You have heard already that we have heard the Islamic viewpoint put forth by Mr Ahmed Deedat. Now I want to ask first something, this: Do you believe what Mr Ahmed Deedat said? (Loud roar: YES). I am going to go so far as to ask every Muslim here tonight that if you believe what Mr Deedat said (Another loud roar : YES), you don't believe what the Qur'an says (YES!?)"
"I ask any Muslim to stand up here tonight and to tell me that the Qur'an does not say that Christ was never put on a cross, that in fact it was someone else, am I not right? Does the Qur'an not say that God took Jesus up to Himself? Does the Qur'an not say that God protected him? Does the Qur'an not say that God made someone else look like him? Does the Qur'an not say that God put that man on the cross? What do you believe? Mr Deedat or the Qur'an ? (Loud answer: "the Qur'an")."
And thus the huge Muslim audience was struck to silence and to defeat, which the Muslim's did not readily accept. So the Muslim audience at one moment in their frenzy roared that Mr Deedat was right, and the next when the truth was pointed out to them from the Qur'an, then they answered that the Qur'an was right, which in fact shows in what a humiliating position they were put through the crucifixion arguments put forward by Mr Deedat." - Muslim Digest", March 1977.
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TRANSVAAL IN THE 1970'S - THE SYMPOSIUM THAT LEAD TO GREAT HUMILIATION FOR MUSLIMS AND DEEDAT
In the Transvaal a symposium was organised at Benoni by Deedat's friends in which Mr John Gilchrist of the Christian faith opposed Deedat. Mr Adam Peerbhai who was present at the symposium had this to say, which we reproduce from the MUSLIM DIGEST:-
AT THE SENSATIONAL UPSET in Benoni, Transvaal, the huge audience was asked by Mr John Gilchrist, at the conclusion of Mr Ahmad Deedat's lecture on "WAS CHRIST CRUCIFIED" (which in reality was a half-Qadiani theory and Un-Islamic) [Mr Deedat believes that Jesus was crucified but did not die on the cross, he only fainted], a simple question:
IS MR DEEDAT RIGHT IN HIS EXPLANATION OF CRUCIFIXION?
The audience, without reflection, in a loud roar, said:
YES ! MR DEEDAT IS RIGHT.
So, the Benoni lawyer, Mr John Gilchrist pointed to the verse of the Holy Koran which states:
"BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM".
This is how Mr. John Gilchrist trapped the Muslim audience:
"You have heard already that we have heard the Islamic viewpoint put forth by Mr Ahmed Deedat. Now I want to ask first something, this: Do you believe what Mr Ahmed Deedat said? (Loud roar: YES). I am going to go so far as to ask every Muslim here tonight that if you believe what Mr Deedat said (Another loud roar : YES), you don't believe what the Qur'an says (YES!?)"
"I ask any Muslim to stand up here tonight and to tell me that the Qur'an does not say that Christ was never put on a cross, that in fact it was someone else, am I not right? Does the Qur'an not say that God took Jesus up to Himself? Does the Qur'an not say that God protected him? Does the Qur'an not say that God made someone else look like him? Does the Qur'an not say that God put that man on the cross? What do you believe? Mr Deedat or the Qur'an ? (Loud answer: "the Qur'an")."
And thus the huge Muslim audience was struck to silence and to defeat, which the Muslim's did not readily accept. So the Muslim audience at one moment in their frenzy roared that Mr Deedat was right, and the next when the truth was pointed out to them from the Qur'an, then they answered that the Qur'an was right, which in fact shows in what a humiliating position they were put through the crucifixion arguments put forward by Mr Deedat." - Muslim Digest", March 1977.
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Qasim786
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wrong again, i just explained that earlier
Qasim said
He thinks he trapped them through trickery or words, but in reality, he wasnt proving a thing, what the Muslims in audience were agreeing to was that Mr.Deedats conclusion of the Bible Scriptures was. And when your in debate of that kind, the audience is more than happy to shout and agree, but they dont realise what is happening, that the person is trying to trick them into saying something because he feels he has not done enough in the debate to prove Ahmed deedat wrong, he tries to pull wool over the audiences eyes (Pathetic). The Muslim standpoint is clear and has been clear for 1400 years - they did not kill nor did they crucify him.
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Gary
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We have already shown what Deedat promoted.
So we clearly see Deedat's error..... and why Muslims today consider Deedat a fool.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... l#survived
So we clearly see Deedat's error..... and why Muslims today consider Deedat a fool.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... l#survived
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evanman
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Jesus was put to death and rose again!
No Moslem accepts this about the Son of God!
No Moslem accepts this about the Son of God!
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Qasim786
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I've already told you, he is reading from the bible, when he says things like "saw that he was dead already" he is deducing that argument from the Bible, not that he believes he was dead. From the point of view of the BIBLE there is nothing to verify his death, all his arguments are from the BIBLE not his opinion!! What language do you want me to explain this to you!
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Gary
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Proving the Muslims wrong - one at a time
Gary: Wrong. Read the Bible.
The centurion's observation was the best possible evidence that Jesus was already dead. The centurion had to confirm before the Roman governor that the crucified man was already dead and, if he was wrong, his own life was likely to be forfeited. We read:
When the Apostle Peter escaped from prison some time later in the city, the sentries appointed to guard him were summarily executed (Acts 12:19). Again, when another jailer supposed that Paul and Silas had escaped from prison as well, "he drew his sword and was about to kill himself" (Acts 16:27), until he discovered they had not. He preferred to die by suicide than by execution.
Death was the penalty for allowing prisoners to escape - what then could the centurion expect if a man condemned to death had escaped because he had made some careless and negligent observations? No one but the centurion could have been such a reliable witness to the death of Jesus on the cross!
Not only did the centurion observe very conclusively that Jesus was dead but one of the soldiers thrust a spear into his side - an act calculated to ensure his death. One of the common Roman methods of killing people was to "put them to the sword", that is, to thrust them through. This is precisely what the soldier did to Jesus and, even if he had been in perfect health, he could never have survived such a blow.
Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... ixion.html
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Gary: Wrong. Read the Bible.
The centurion's observation was the best possible evidence that Jesus was already dead. The centurion had to confirm before the Roman governor that the crucified man was already dead and, if he was wrong, his own life was likely to be forfeited. We read:
- And Pilate wondered if he were already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him whether he was already dead. And when he learned from the centurion that he was dead, he granted the body to Joseph.
Mark 15:44-45
When the Apostle Peter escaped from prison some time later in the city, the sentries appointed to guard him were summarily executed (Acts 12:19). Again, when another jailer supposed that Paul and Silas had escaped from prison as well, "he drew his sword and was about to kill himself" (Acts 16:27), until he discovered they had not. He preferred to die by suicide than by execution.
Death was the penalty for allowing prisoners to escape - what then could the centurion expect if a man condemned to death had escaped because he had made some careless and negligent observations? No one but the centurion could have been such a reliable witness to the death of Jesus on the cross!
Not only did the centurion observe very conclusively that Jesus was dead but one of the soldiers thrust a spear into his side - an act calculated to ensure his death. One of the common Roman methods of killing people was to "put them to the sword", that is, to thrust them through. This is precisely what the soldier did to Jesus and, even if he had been in perfect health, he could never have survived such a blow.
John said:
Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... ixion.html
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evanman
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How could anyone survive having a spear thrust into their heart?
Of course He was dead!
Of course He was dead!
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YESHUA
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Re: Jesus in Islam
and you have bee seduced haven't you? so you se the JESUS in the Qur'an and in the Bible is not and therefore the moslems DO NOT REVERE
HIM AT ALL they lying about him and thats revering him come one now give us a break. And whats more he is not only being lied about but also called satan by the moslems thats right and why because he is not the Jesus that is written about in the Qur'an and he is not even called Jesus he is called Isa and on top of it he is a moslem and that is something else because the Qur'an was written 7 hundred years after HIS death
shalom and love in the name of JESUS
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.Gary_Bee said:
and you have bee seduced haven't you? so you se the JESUS in the Qur'an and in the Bible is not and therefore the moslems DO NOT REVERE
HIM AT ALL they lying about him and thats revering him come one now give us a break. And whats more he is not only being lied about but also called satan by the moslems thats right and why because he is not the Jesus that is written about in the Qur'an and he is not even called Jesus he is called Isa and on top of it he is a moslem and that is something else because the Qur'an was written 7 hundred years after HIS death
shalom and love in the name of JESUS
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Gary
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Hi YESHUA.... I don't believe in Islam at all. You might want to take a little more time to read what I have posted.
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YESHUA
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Gary_Bee said: