Being respectfull of other faiths

[Qasim786]

All of Ahmed Deedats work to prove that Jesus was not crucified is from the bible, you will find the quotations that he uses,whatever version you have!

 

[Gary]

Deedat?.... LOL... that is so funny. ALL of Deedat's work has been debunked. Today, Deedat lies in a sick bed, unable to talk!

If THAT is where you got your understanding of Christianity from, no wonder it is so wrong!

New hi-tech bed for ailing scholar
By Subashni Naidoo
Sunday Times, Durban, South Africa
Sunday 26th Jan 2003

[Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, in his new hi-tech bed, is comforted by his wife, Hawa]

DURBAN Islamic scholar Sheikh Ahmed Deedat has received a hi-tech motorised bed as a gift from Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia.


Deedat, 83, who has Locked In Syndrome - a condition that has left him paralysed from the neck down - responds to questions with eye and neck movements with the aid of an alphabet chart which he has memorised.
The specialised bed, worth between R80 000 and R90 000, arrived at Deedat's home in Verulam on Thursday. Deedat's son, Yousuf, said the prince decided to send his father the bed after his old bed had broken down.

"The bed packed up and I looked everywhere to replace the broken parts. I had no luck, as the parts were not available in South Africa. We received a call from the prince enquiring about my father's condition and I mentioned that his bed was broken and I could not find parts to replace it. Without hesitation, he sent my father a brand-new bed," he said. He said his father and the prince had developed a strong bond after his father had spent many years spreading the word of Islam. The bed was sent to the office of the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Pretoria and was then delivered to Deedat's home by the head of information, Ali Asseri, and the head of the consular section, Khalid Al-Jadaan.

Speaking through his son with the aid of the alphabet chart, Deedat said: "I am not very comfortable at present because I am not used to it yet, but I like it."

The ambassador of the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Pretoria, Sahod Zedaan, said it was an honour to deliver the bed to Deedat. "I certainly hope that it would be more comfortable for him and wish him a speedy recovery," said Zedaan.

Gary: God works in many ways. Deedat used his mouth (in many debates; in issuing many insults and curses on Christians), his hands (when debating and hurling insults at Christians) and his feet (in the miles he walked in trying to spread his anti-Christian message). Today, he cannot speak nor use his hands nor his feet.

Yes, your "Allah" has "rewarded" Deedat.

Every bit of rubbish Deedat ever put out has been rebutted and now even Muslims reject him!

(1) ALL of Deedat's work rebutted -- http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... /index.htm
(2) ANOTHER Choice -- http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/deedat.htm
(3) Deedat in the balance -- http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... eedat.html

In particular, Deedat's "work" on the "crucifixtion" is totally rebutted here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... ixion.html

You will see that Deedat makes a complete fool of himself. Even muslims agree... read this
http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... eedat.html

:bday: :wink: :bday:

 

[Qasim786]

Ahmad Deedat stated in his lectures and books that Jesus was placed on the cross but did not die on it: He only fainted. Every one knows how difficult it is to change the religious beliefs of one person, especially if these beliefs are deeply rooted and have been handed down, generation after generation. For 16 centuries Muslims have denied that Jesus was placed on the cross. It is a known fact that because of the untiring efforts of Ahmad Deedat, millions of Muslims now believe that Jesus was placed on the cross. Thus because of the efforts of the one man, Ahmad Deedat, millions of Muslims have changed their traditional views as to what happened to Jesus.

From http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... eedat.html

Nonsense. Where in his lectures does Ahmed Deedat Say that he believes that Jesus was put on the cross. His arguments about the crucifiction are not the Quranic or Muslim teaching, they are from the bible. For example theres no point in me trying to prove that Jesus was not killed from the Quran to a christian because he does not accept the Quran. If you want to prove something to someone, you go to the evidence or proof that is provided from the book he professes. That doesnt meen to say that he now believes Jesus was put on the cross. Utter Nonsense! What he was doing is showing that your own bible does not show that he was killed. No Muslim believes that Jesus put on the cross, he was saved from this, God did not let the Jews Kill him.

 

[evanman]

Qasim has proved my point--Moslems believe in a different Jesus from the one in the Bible!

 

[Gary]

Deedat makes a fool of himself

TRANSVAAL IN THE 1970'S - THE SYMPOSIUM THAT LEAD TO GREAT HUMILIATION FOR MUSLIMS AND DEEDAT

In the Transvaal a symposium was organised at Benoni by Deedat's friends in which Mr John Gilchrist of the Christian faith opposed Deedat. Mr Adam Peerbhai who was present at the symposium had this to say, which we reproduce from the MUSLIM DIGEST:-

AT THE SENSATIONAL UPSET in Benoni, Transvaal, the huge audience was asked by Mr John Gilchrist, at the conclusion of Mr Ahmad Deedat's lecture on "WAS CHRIST CRUCIFIED" (which in reality was a half-Qadiani theory and Un-Islamic) [Mr Deedat believes that Jesus was crucified but did not die on the cross, he only fainted], a simple question:

IS MR DEEDAT RIGHT IN HIS EXPLANATION OF CRUCIFIXION?

The audience, without reflection, in a loud roar, said:


YES ! MR DEEDAT IS RIGHT.
So, the Benoni lawyer, Mr John Gilchrist pointed to the verse of the Holy Koran which states:


"BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM".
This is how Mr. John Gilchrist trapped the Muslim audience:


"You have heard already that we have heard the Islamic viewpoint put forth by Mr Ahmed Deedat. Now I want to ask first something, this: Do you believe what Mr Ahmed Deedat said? (Loud roar: YES). I am going to go so far as to ask every Muslim here tonight that if you believe what Mr Deedat said (Another loud roar : YES), you don't believe what the Qur'an says (YES!?)"
"I ask any Muslim to stand up here tonight and to tell me that the Qur'an does not say that Christ was never put on a cross, that in fact it was someone else, am I not right? Does the Qur'an not say that God took Jesus up to Himself? Does the Qur'an not say that God protected him? Does the Qur'an not say that God made someone else look like him? Does the Qur'an not say that God put that man on the cross? What do you believe? Mr Deedat or the Qur'an ? (Loud answer: "the Qur'an")."

And thus the huge Muslim audience was struck to silence and to defeat, which the Muslim's did not readily accept. So the Muslim audience at one moment in their frenzy roared that Mr Deedat was right, and the next when the truth was pointed out to them from the Qur'an, then they answered that the Qur'an was right, which in fact shows in what a humiliating position they were put through the crucifixion arguments put forward by Mr Deedat." - Muslim Digest", March 1977.

:-? :o :bday:

 

[Qasim786]

[Mr Deedat believes that Jesus was crucified but did not die on the cross, he only fainted], a simple question:

wrong again, i just explained that earlier

Qasim said

Nonsense. Where in his lectures does Ahmed Deedat Say that he believes that Jesus was put on the cross. His arguments about the crucifiction are not the Quranic or Muslim teaching, they are from the bible. For example theres no point in me trying to prove that Jesus was not killed from the Quran to a christian because he does not accept the Quran. If you want to prove something to someone, you go to the evidence or proof that is provided from the book he professes. That doesnt meen to say that he now believes Jesus was put on the cross. Utter Nonsense! What he was doing is showing that your own bible does not show that he was killed. No Muslim believes that Jesus put on the cross, he was saved from this, God did not let the Jews Kill him.

He thinks he trapped them through trickery or words, but in reality, he wasnt proving a thing, what the Muslims in audience were agreeing to was that Mr.Deedats conclusion of the Bible Scriptures was. And when your in debate of that kind, the audience is more than happy to shout and agree, but they dont realise what is happening, that the person is trying to trick them into saying something because he feels he has not done enough in the debate to prove Ahmed deedat wrong, he tries to pull wool over the audiences eyes (Pathetic). The Muslim standpoint is clear and has been clear for 1400 years - they did not kill nor did they crucify him.

 

[Gary]

We have already shown what Deedat promoted.

We have never ceased to wonder why Ahmed Deedat continues to promote the theory that Jesus was indeed crucified but came down alive from the cross. Our amazement arises from two considerations. On the one hand, this idea is held to only by the heretical Ahmadiyya sect in Islam and is denounced by all true Christians and Muslims. On the other hand, this theory has been refuted time and again and, whereas Deedat continues to promote it, he can offer no reply to the arguments produced against it.

For example, on page 36 of his (Deedat) new booklet, he claims that when the centurion watching over Jesus on the cross "saw that he was dead already" (John 19:33), this means purely that he "surmised" that Jesus had died and that there was nothing to verify his death.

So we clearly see Deedat's error..... and why Muslims today consider Deedat a fool.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... l#survived

 

[evanman]

Jesus was put to death and rose again!

No Moslem accepts this about the Son of God!

 

[Qasim786]

We have never ceased to wonder why Ahmed Deedat continues to promote the theory that Jesus was indeed crucified but came down alive from the cross. Our amazement arises from two considerations. On the one hand, this idea is held to only by the heretical Ahmadiyya sect in Islam and is denounced by all true Christians and Muslims. On the other hand, this theory has been refuted time and again and, whereas Deedat continues to promote it, he can offer no reply to the arguments produced against it.

For example, on page 36 of his (Deedat) new booklet, he claims that when the centurion watching over Jesus on the cross "saw that he was dead already" (John 19:33), this means purely that he "surmised" that Jesus had died and that there was nothing to verify his death.

I've already told you, he is reading from the bible, when he says things like "saw that he was dead already" he is deducing that argument from the Bible, not that he believes he was dead. From the point of view of the BIBLE there is nothing to verify his death, all his arguments are from the BIBLE not his opinion!! What language do you want me to explain this to you!

 

[Gary]

Proving the Muslims wrong - one at a time

...From the point of view of the BIBLE, there is nothing to verify his death...

Gary: Wrong. Read the Bible.

The centurion's observation was the best possible evidence that Jesus was already dead. The centurion had to confirm before the Roman governor that the crucified man was already dead and, if he was wrong, his own life was likely to be forfeited. We read:

• And Pilate wondered if he were already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him whether he was already dead. And when he learned from the centurion that he was dead, he granted the body to Joseph.
  Mark 15:44-45

The Roman governor Pilate knew that if the centurion confirmed his death, then it was sure, for in those days any soldier who allowed a prisoner to escape would lose his own life in consequence.

When the Apostle Peter escaped from prison some time later in the city, the sentries appointed to guard him were summarily executed (Acts 12:19). Again, when another jailer supposed that Paul and Silas had escaped from prison as well, "he drew his sword and was about to kill himself" (Acts 16:27), until he discovered they had not. He preferred to die by suicide than by execution.

Death was the penalty for allowing prisoners to escape - what then could the centurion expect if a man condemned to death had escaped because he had made some careless and negligent observations? No one but the centurion could have been such a reliable witness to the death of Jesus on the cross!

Not only did the centurion observe very conclusively that Jesus was dead but one of the soldiers thrust a spear into his side - an act calculated to ensure his death. One of the common Roman methods of killing people was to "put them to the sword", that is, to thrust them through. This is precisely what the soldier did to Jesus and, even if he had been in perfect health, he could never have survived such a blow.

The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.

But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.

The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.

John 19:32-35

Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchris ... ixion.html

 

[evanman]

How could anyone survive having a spear thrust into their heart?

Of course He was dead!

 

[YESHUA]

Re: Jesus in Islam

Jesus in Islam

As usual Willow, your cut-n-paste and "research" lets you down. As Barbarian points out, the most obvious mistake you make about Islam is your claim that "autherdox(sic) Islam to say that Jesus is satan".

Please quote Surah/verse of the Quran to support this claim of yours.

I realise you will be unable to do that. So please educate yourself about Islamic beliefs about Jesus before you continue to make those kinds of mistakes. Try this link: http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/J/jesus.html and read this introductory article about ‘Isa, the Muslim Jesus by Dr Mark Durie http://www.answering-islam.org/Intro/islamic_jesus.html

Thanks.

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
and you have bee seduced haven't you? so you se the JESUS in the Qur'an and in the Bible is not and therefore the moslems DO NOT REVERE
HIM AT ALL they lying about him and thats revering him come one now give us a break. And whats more he is not only being lied about but also called satan by the moslems thats right and why because he is not the Jesus that is written about in the Qur'an and he is not even called Jesus he is called Isa and on top of it he is a moslem and that is something else because the Qur'an was written 7 hundred years after HIS death
shalom and love in the name of JESUS

 

[Gary]

Hi YESHUA.... I don't believe in Islam at all. You might want to take a little more time to read what I have posted.

 

[YESHUA]

Hi YESHUA.... I don't believe in Islam at all. You might want to take a little more time to read what I have posted.[/quoteI know that u don't believe in islam but u and barbarian have this strange idéa that YESHUA is been revered in the qur'an but thats a lie he is not been revered in the
qur'an is been equal to satan because he is next after muhammad go and read what u have posted
i know what i am talking about because i have been corresponding with a muslim i think he was a iman from palestine and he had this teaching that in the year 2022 israel would cease to exist and that YESHUA is equal to satan and that he would come back to smash every cross and kill all the pigs
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the only one and the holy one
and i could name u at least 10 different stats where the christians r been persecuted just for being christian and thats been done in the name of allah, and if really want to know the truth about islam go 2 this http://www.americancongressfortruth.com
may the GOD of Israel bless u all