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Beware the tithe seekers

keiw1

 
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Jesus gave us a parable about that matter. He said the pharisees all gave their tithes, a little old woman threw in 2 small coins. She gave from the heart. Jesus said her offering was more valuable than all the tithes combined.--Meaning-Jesus wants from the heart=love=the new covenant. We are no longer under the written law tithe rule.
The teachers asking for tithes, do not know Jesus, these are the ones assuring you are saved. Its far from truth. They are these teachers( 2Cor 11:12-15) RUN FROM THEM.
 
Paul in Galatians 2:19 did not say the law was dead; he said he was dead to the law. In other words the law had no authority over him because he was under grace and law and grace cannot mix, Galatians 2:21. The law is not dead as some teach. You can live under the Law if you choose, but Galatians 3:10-13 states the law is very much alive, so alive that it carries a curse with it if violated trying to live by it.

Paul never taught tithing, in truth he taught against it. Tithing is not for the born-again believer today. Tithing was incorporated into the law given to Moses, Leviticus 27:26-34. The same law where circumcision was incorporated into, Lev. 12:1-8. We do not circumcise or sacrifice animals according to the law, so why do we tithe. Romans 10:4 For Christ are the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes. Galatians 3:10-13 for as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse and man is not justified by the law in the sight of God, but Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.

When you tithe, if you do not tithe correctly according to the law you will be cursed with a curse, Malachi 3:8, 9. If you tithe correctly you will get blessings poured out upon you, Malachi 3:10. The blessings are not just all about money for there are many different types of blessings. In truth, if you tithe correctly the blessings of God would be overflowing in your life. Some of you, like myself, have been tithing and tithing and nothing has changed in your life. If the way tithing has been taught by man than all the ministries that have been teaching tithing for years should have so much money they would not have enough room to store it all and the banks would be overflowing with all the money you should be receiving by the way man has taught us for years.

Tithing has never been taught to be money in the scriptures. Tithing has put people under bondage and a lot of people need to be set free from the bondage law of 10%. Most people cannot afford to give 10% of their paycheck. They would not have time to count out 10% of all their perishable and nonperishable food items and bring them into Gods storehouse. The laws given to Moses in Leviticus 27 required all this. The storehouses that God was talking about was storing up food to feed the priest and scribes in the temple so they could be about those things of the Lord and not have to worry about what they should eat or how to provide food for themselves.

You can give 10% when you know the truth. When you do not know the truth and you are tithing because you are told to tithe this is called tithing under the Old Testament law. God does not honor this today. Just because we do not know the truth, this does not change God's word. We have all tithed. To this day has anybody ever showed you in the Bible where tithing is money? You have just taken mans word for it all these years.

The God I serve and read about in the Bible is not a God that would expect you to give the babies milk money to him. He would not expect your family to go without twenty dollars worth of food so you can give the last 20 to the church. Even the women with the two mites gave her last from the heart and not because she had to, but because she wanted to. If tithing meant money in today's world we would need ten or twelve banks just to hold our money. See, the over abundance is not happening. Tithing is nothing more than good intentions and good intentions do not get you your blessings. The only thing that is going to set you free is the truth of the word of God. Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith; these ought to have been done and not to leave the other undone. See, the hypocrites do these things for show, but they do not give out of love. They give because they were told to do so.

The laws that were given to Moses were for the Israelites (not the born again believer) consisted of 613 Levtical laws and they were given and changed throughout all generations for their disobedience of Gods word. These laws also included the Ten Commandments which man has separated from the 613 laws and decided to simplify the laws. Jesus left us with but only two laws to follow in Matthew 22:36-40 and that was to love. Love is what gets our blessings from God. The 613 laws have absolutely no saving power in them. In James 2:10 if you are going to follow the law and violate one part of the law you are guilty of breaking all the laws and in Galatians 3:10-14 Jesus was made an end to the curse of the law and was made the fulfillment of the law through love. When we start loving one another and be quick to forgive one another than the blessings will come pouring in and you will be giving from the heart in all the areas of your life. Give from your heart and not from bondage of what man tells you to give and then you will see the blessings of God work in your life.​
 
Paul in Galatians 2:19 did not say the law was dead; he said he was dead to the law. In other words the law had no authority over him because he was under grace and law and grace cannot mix, Galatians 2:21. The law is not dead as some teach. You can live under the Law if you choose, but Galatians 3:10-13 states the law is very much alive, so alive that it carries a curse with it if violated trying to live by it.

Paul never taught tithing, in truth he taught against it. Tithing is not for the born-again believer today. Tithing was incorporated into the law given to Moses, Leviticus 27:26-34. The same law where circumcision was incorporated into, Lev. 12:1-8. We do not circumcise or sacrifice animals according to the law, so why do we tithe. Romans 10:4 For Christ are the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes. Galatians 3:10-13 for as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse and man is not justified by the law in the sight of God, but Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.

When you tithe, if you do not tithe correctly according to the law you will be cursed with a curse, Malachi 3:8, 9. If you tithe correctly you will get blessings poured out upon you, Malachi 3:10. The blessings are not just all about money for there are many different types of blessings. In truth, if you tithe correctly the blessings of God would be overflowing in your life. Some of you, like myself, have been tithing and tithing and nothing has changed in your life. If the way tithing has been taught by man than all the ministries that have been teaching tithing for years should have so much money they would not have enough room to store it all and the banks would be overflowing with all the money you should be receiving by the way man has taught us for years.

Tithing has never been taught to be money in the scriptures. Tithing has put people under bondage and a lot of people need to be set free from the bondage law of 10%. Most people cannot afford to give 10% of their paycheck. They would not have time to count out 10% of all their perishable and nonperishable food items and bring them into Gods storehouse. The laws given to Moses in Leviticus 27 required all this. The storehouses that God was talking about was storing up food to feed the priest and scribes in the temple so they could be about those things of the Lord and not have to worry about what they should eat or how to provide food for themselves.

You can give 10% when you know the truth. When you do not know the truth and you are tithing because you are told to tithe this is called tithing under the Old Testament law. God does not honor this today. Just because we do not know the truth, this does not change God's word. We have all tithed. To this day has anybody ever showed you in the Bible where tithing is money? You have just taken mans word for it all these years.

The God I serve and read about in the Bible is not a God that would expect you to give the babies milk money to him. He would not expect your family to go without twenty dollars worth of food so you can give the last 20 to the church. Even the women with the two mites gave her last from the heart and not because she had to, but because she wanted to. If tithing meant money in today's world we would need ten or twelve banks just to hold our money. See, the over abundance is not happening. Tithing is nothing more than good intentions and good intentions do not get you your blessings. The only thing that is going to set you free is the truth of the word of God. Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith; these ought to have been done and not to leave the other undone. See, the hypocrites do these things for show, but they do not give out of love. They give because they were told to do so.

The laws that were given to Moses were for the Israelites (not the born again believer) consisted of 613 Levtical laws and they were given and changed throughout all generations for their disobedience of Gods word. These laws also included the Ten Commandments which man has separated from the 613 laws and decided to simplify the laws. Jesus left us with but only two laws to follow in Matthew 22:36-40 and that was to love. Love is what gets our blessings from God. The 613 laws have absolutely no saving power in them. In James 2:10 if you are going to follow the law and violate one part of the law you are guilty of breaking all the laws and in Galatians 3:10-14 Jesus was made an end to the curse of the law and was made the fulfillment of the law through love. When we start loving one another and be quick to forgive one another than the blessings will come pouring in and you will be giving from the heart in all the areas of your life. Give from your heart and not from bondage of what man tells you to give and then you will see the blessings of God work in your life.​


My point was showing --no real teacher that has Jesus ask for the tithe. Many of them are asking for a tithe.
 
My point was showing --no real teacher that has Jesus ask for the tithe. Many of them are asking for a tithe.
There is no problem with tithing if we understand what it is for and given with a glad heart of giving like the lady with the two mites who gave her best.
 
The law is magnified and made honourable, Isaiah 42:21, ( the previous law is exchanged, for a NEW PRIESTHOOD.) now we give alms of ALL WE POSSESS as Christ gave all His life for us..


Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Luke 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
 
Paul in Galatians 2:19 did not say the law was dead; he said he was dead to the law. In other words the law had no authority over him because he was under grace and law and grace cannot mix, Galatians 2:21. The law is not dead as some teach.​
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
You can live under the Law if you choose, but Galatians 3:10-13 states the law is very much alive, so alive that it carries a curse with it if violated trying to live by it.​
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. (Doesn’t sound like its open to just whoever wants to follow it) Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. (Doesn’t sound like its open to just whoever wants to follow it) Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Yes if we were under Mosaic Laws then we would have to stone to death the unrepentent. But Grace isnt handed out on a silver platter as some think. The mortal must do certain things.
 
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. (Doesn’t sound like its open to just whoever wants to follow it) Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
The new covenant through Christ Jesus has set us free from the curse of the law as no one could be obedient to all the 613 laws. Even the law of tithing can not be followed. Just because man decided tithing should be made easier by giving 10% of your money still does not make it right. The lady gave her last to mites because she wanted to give her best and that is what God wants us to do is give our best with a glad heart of giving.
 
The law is magnified and made honourable, Isaiah 42:21, ( the previous law is exchanged, for a NEW PRIESTHOOD.) now we give alms of ALL WE POSSESS as Christ gave all His life for us..


Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Luke 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
Have you sold all that you have?
 
The new covenant through Christ Jesus has set us free from the curse of the law as no one could be obedient to all the 613 laws. Even the law of tithing can not be followed. Just because man decided tithing should be made easier by giving 10% of your money still does not make it right. The lady gave her last to mites because she wanted to give her best and that is what God wants us to do is give our best with a glad heart of giving.
What does it matter. Youve banned me from my own thread for a post I made 2 months ago. I told someone they made something up and you get upset even when it was 100% truth.
The context…
Person tells me that Paul was saved on the road in front of Jesus. The Bible NEVER says that. (Which means it was made up) The Bible clearly and plainly tells us the EXACT point when Pauls sins were removed (which = salvation) and it was days later after he was baptized in water. Acts 22:16. If you tell me something different then you 100% just made it up. It came from you and not the Bible. The respectable thing to do would admit yes…im sorry the Bible doesn’t actually say this I was adding that to the story.
The sinners prayer? Made up! Nobody EVER was saved under the new covenant by praying for their salvation. you tell me this im going to tell you….that is made up, because it didnt come from the BIble. If so? Show me.
Saved before baptism? made up. The Bible NEVER says this. The Bible plainly and clearly says. He “that believes and is baptized shall be saved”. Many other verses tell us that baptism is when sins are remitted or removed.
Saved by faith alone? Made up! The Bible NEVER says this. The Bible clearly and plainly says just the opposite. Ja 2.
Why do you or others feel you can say anything you want about the Bible and nobody has the right to challenge you?
It was God and not me that said….
“If ANYMAN speaks let him speak as the oracles of God.“
The oracles of God come from only one place. Book chapter and verse and not any ones opinion or made up doctrine.
 
What does it matter. Youve banned me from my own thread for a post I made 2 months ago. I told someone they made something up and you get upset even when it was 100% truth.
And there lays the violation of the ToS 1.1 and 1.3. Go back and read them. If you have a problem with this take it to TWTS as this is not the thread to air this.
 
Yes if we were under Mosaic Laws then we would have to stone to death the unrepentent. But Grace isnt handed out on a silver platter as some think. The mortal must do certain things.
Grace is a free gift of God. There are no strings attached. If you think there are, you're putting yourself back under the law. Romans 5:15, "But the gracious gift is not like the transgression. For if the many died through the transgression of the one man, how much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one man Jesus Christ multiply to the many!"

If one must do certain things, then it's not a gift. To claim it must be earned is contrary to Scripture.
 
Grace is a free gift of God. There are no strings attached. If you think there are, you're putting yourself back under the law. Romans 5:15, "But the gracious gift is not like the transgression. For if the many died through the transgression of the one man, how much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one man Jesus Christ multiply to the many!"

If one must do certain things, then it's not a gift. To claim it must be earned is contrary to Scripture.

There is a whole bible--John 3:36--Those not obeying Jesus( every teaching) remain in Gods wrath-these will not get grace. And Jesus shows-Matt 7:21-23--Only those who live now to do his Fathers will over their own will get to enter his kingdom( be saved)-- And any who work iniquity( practice a sin) will hear these words as judgement = Get away from me you who work iniquity, i must confess i never even knew you--to those who think they are christian and told they are christian. They listened to the wrong teachers= 2Cor 11:12-15) And at John 17:3-Jesus teaches--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) the ONLY TRUE GOD and the one you sent Christ Jesus. Baptism a requirement. Repentence is a must.
And to obey Jesus one must do this-Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study to learn and apply every utterance. So if your teachers are not teaching you these bible truths-They do not have Jesus-RUN FROM THEM.
You can take it to the bank its a fight daily in a satan ruled system to live now to do Jesus Fathers will.
 
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There is a whole bible--John 3:36--Those not obeying Jesus( every teaching) remain in Gods wrath-these will not get grace. And Jesus shows-Matt 7:21-23--Only those who live now to do his Fathers will over their own will get to enter his kingdom( be saved)-- And any who work iniquity( practice a sin) will hear these words as judgement = Get away from me you who work iniquity, i must confess i never even knew you--to those who think they are christian and told they are christian. They listened to the wrong teachers= 2Cor 11:12-15) And at John 17:3-Jesus teaches--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) the ONLY TRUE GOD and the one you sent Christ Jesus. Baptism a requirement. Repentence is a must.
And to obey Jesus one must do this-Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT years of study to learn and apply every utterance. So if your teachers are not teaching you these bible truths-They do not have Jesus-RUN FROM THEM.
You can take it to the bank its a fight daily in a satan ruled system to live now to do Jesus Fathers will.
Not for me. I rest in God's love. He is my teacher and my abba.

Philippians 4:6-8, "Do not be anxious about anything. Instead, in every situation, through prayer and petition with thanksgiving, tell your requests to God. And the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is worthy of respect, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if something is excellent or praiseworthy, think about these things."
 
Not for me. I rest in God's love. He is my teacher and my abba.

Philippians 4:6-8, "Do not be anxious about anything. Instead, in every situation, through prayer and petition with thanksgiving, tell your requests to God. And the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is worthy of respect, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if something is excellent or praiseworthy, think about these things."

I am glad you like truth. Lets compare truths'
Jesus= John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus
Trinity clergy--God is a trinity.

Someone is wrong, its not Jesus.
 
I am glad you like truth. Lets compare truths'
Jesus= John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus
Trinity clergy--God is a trinity.

Someone is wrong, its not Jesus.
I have no idea what you're trying to say!

"Trinity clergy--God is trinity" means what? "Someone is wrong, its not Jesus." means what?
 
I am glad you like truth. Lets compare truths'
Jesus= John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus
Trinity clergy--God is a trinity.

Someone is wrong, its not Jesus.
There is no truth found in an organization that will disfellowship a member that does not adhere to their false doctrines of devils.
 
I am glad you like truth. Lets compare truths'
Jesus= John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus
Trinity clergy--God is a trinity.

Someone is wrong, its not Jesus.
From this point on we have all got caught up in the trinity discussion, which has nothing to do with tithing. keiw1 please start a new thread on the Trinity and stay with the topic of the OP as well as all of us. I will not delete any of the posting thus far, but any discussions on the Trinity after post #17 that is not about tithing will be deleted.
 
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