Bible Study Bible Study surely needs us to know what way is Required to do so

[Elijah674]

Matt. 4
[4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

So as a required start, what has Christ said?

--Elijah

 

[stovebolts]

Deuteronomy 8:2-3 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Exodus 25:30 And thou shalt set upon the table shewbread before me alway.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Exodus 25:31 And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

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;)

 

[Nathan]

Jhn 6:25 When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, "Rabbi, when did you come here?"


Jhn 6:26 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves.


Jhn 6:27 Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal."


Jhn 6:28 Then they said to him, "What must we do, to be doing the works of God?"


Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."

 

[Elijah674]

Deuteronomy 8:2-3 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Exodus 25:30 And thou shalt set upon the table shewbread before me alway.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Exodus 25:31 And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

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;)

Wow, a post after my own heart! So we need to understand The Lords Way that is IN THE SANCTUARY Psalms 77:13. And what was the Earthly one a pattern of? (or bluprint of?)

And what is still on the other side of your Holy place depiction after Christ died & the dividing veil rent in twain from top to bottom? Matt. 27:50-51

---Elijah

PS: Three per side ='s six with Christ the CENTER/LIGHT of all! Could even represent 6000 years & then the seventh 1000 years for the saints in heavens in the Judgement? 1 Cor. 6:2-3. And Exod. 25:31-40 cautions about the pattern! + the three on each side will need to be attached to the Main Candlestick holder, huh?

 

[Nathan]

So as a required start, what has Christ said?

In the beginning(start), God created the heavens and the earth.....And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day....And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.



Mat 11:28-30 "Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

 

[Elijah674]

So as a required start, what has Christ said?



'In the beginning(start), God created the heavens and the earth.....And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day....And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.'

OK: 'i' will ignore my favorite subject for now Bolts. and go to the start of study. (I see that nate wants to run ahead also, to 'his' rest?)

We see befor Adam & Eve's creation that God created. We see 7 day's to the week and all starting at evening. And before this, we see Earth so far, depopulated even before Adams creation. And I say that because we will soon find another on earth called the serpent. And we also know that there was No sin on earth as yet. (meaning that the Eternal Plan 'Everlasting Gospel' was not introduced yet)

OK: Lets do as Nate states & not as Nate & 'i' do.. run ahead?

--Elijah
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[Nathan]

My apologies. :nod

I did not think I was running ahead.

To 'start' understanding/studying His "words that proceed from His mouth", one like you and I must understand the principal fact that we cannot understand.

Rom 3:10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;

Rom 3:11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.

Rom 3:12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."

Rom 3:13 "Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive." "The venom of asps is under their lips."

Rom 3:14 "Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness."

Rom 3:15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood;

Rom 3:16 in their paths are ruin and misery,

Rom 3:17 and the way of peace they have not known."

Rom 3:18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."

So where then is 'wisdom' found?

1Cr 1:18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1Cr 1:19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart."

1Cr 1:20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1Cr 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

1Cr 1:22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom,

1Cr 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,

1Cr 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Wisdom/Understanding is found in the death of our own 'ideas' and 'desires', and the burial of those things, and the new 'birth' of our identity with Christ.

Hbr 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, "Today, if you hear his voice,

Hbr 3:8 do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, on the day of testing in the wilderness,

Hbr 3:9 where your fathers put me to the test and saw my works for forty years.

Hbr 3:10 Therefore I was provoked with that generation, and said, 'They always go astray in their heart; they have not known my ways.'

Hbr 3:11 As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest.'"

Hbr 3:12 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

Hbr 3:13 But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called "today," that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.

Hbr 3:14 For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.

Hbr 3:15 As it is said, "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."

Hbr 3:16 For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses?

Hbr 3:17 And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?

Hbr 3:18 And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient?

Hbr 3:19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.

Hbr 4:1 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.

Hbr 4:2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.

Hbr 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, "As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest,'" although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Hbr 4:4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works."

Hbr 4:5 And again in this passage he said, "They shall not enter my rest."

Hbr 4:6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience,

Hbr 4:7 again he appoints a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts."

Hbr 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

Hbr 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

Hbr 4:10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

Hbr 4:11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.

And what is this 'striving'? We know it is the same word used for "study" in this admonishment

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Jhn 6:27 Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal."

Until we 'enter' the rest of God, and cease from our own understanding, our own works, we cannot be 'fed' from above.

 

[Elijah674]

OK; Have it your way? 'i' forgive you?? whatever. You take over from here & do it your way.

--Elijah

 

[stovebolts]

Ohh come on now you guys :kissing

I know that the tabernacle and all it's furnishing were but a copy of heavenly things and every aspect pointed toward Christ, Amen.

We know after God brought the Israelite out of Egypt, they ran out of bread, and were hungry and had a legitimate complaint that they and their children were hungry, so God gave them manna every morning that would last them through the day, and a double portion on the 6th day to get them through the sabbath. But that wasn't enough, they wanted meat. No, they demanded meat. So God gave them what they wanted, but he gave it to them just before dusk which didn't give them much time to prepare it lest it rot by morning as would the manna if any were left,.. and this should show us how the eternal operates toward his children both when they have a legitimate need, or when they demand excess.

But going back to the manna, the psalmist says that it was bread of heaven (ps 105:40), and that angels fed on it (ps 78:24) and it stands to reason also that before God gave the manna, it had not existed on the earth. So, we see that the manna was a new creation and was given to man as sustenance, from God. Thus, it was both physical nourishment and spiritual nourishment that God gave his children.

So we also see the bread of the presence within the tabernacle that only the priest could eat after it was before the Lord for 7 days (The top was cut off the bread where the incense was and was offered on the Alter) and yet the bread remained not only fresh, but also warm according to jewish tales. As a copy of something heavenly, we see the bread as that which sustains human life, for without bread, one dies. But it also shows us that bread is a gift that comes from God, and is before God at all times eluminated by the menorah which radiates heavenly, and holy light.

So is it any wonder why a jar of manna would be below the mercy seat with an almond branch which had budded with the testimony written by God's finger himself?

Yeah, I like this subject too

 

[Nathan]

Ohh come on now you guys :kissing

I know that the tabernacle and all it's furnishing were but a copy of heavenly things and every aspect pointed toward Christ, Amen.

We know after God brought the Israelite out of Egypt, they ran out of bread, and were hungry and had a legitimate complaint that they and their children were hungry, so God gave them manna every morning that would last them through the day, and a double portion on the 6th day to get them through the sabbath. But that wasn't enough, they wanted meat. No, they demanded meat. So God gave them what they wanted, but he gave it to them just before dusk which didn't give them much time to prepare it lest it rot by morning as would the manna if any were left,.. and this should show us how the eternal operates toward his children both when they have a legitimate need, or when they demand excess.

But going back to the manna, the psalmist says that it was bread of heaven (ps 105:40), and that angels fed on it (ps 78:24) and it stands to reason also that before God gave the manna, it had not existed on the earth. So, we see that the manna was a new creation and was given to man as sustenance, from God. Thus, it was both physical nourishment and spiritual nourishment that God gave his children.

So we also see the bread of the presence within the tabernacle that only the priest could eat after it was before the Lord for 7 days (The top was cut off the bread where the incense was and was offered on the Alter) and yet the bread remained not only fresh, but also warm according to jewish tales. As a copy of something heavenly, we see the bread as that which sustains human life, for without bread, one dies. But it also shows us that bread is a gift that comes from God, and is before God at all times eluminated by the menorah which radiates heavenly, and holy light.

So is it any wonder why a jar of manna would be below the mercy seat with an almond branch which had budded with the testimony written by God's finger himself?

Yeah, I like this subject too

:yes Indeed I like this subject also. I did not mean to take over. I will not post in here again after this.

I simply thought that according to the title, "Bible Study surely needs us to know what way is Required to do so", we would begin at the beginning of how we approach God Himself. How will we ever approach His words if we do not bow the knee to His direct commands?

My point is that before we can approach the temple, and even step inside the outer courtyard, we must first have a 'desire' to do things His way. If we do not 'believe' but rather live in 'unbelief' that His work is the only work, and thereby "rest" from our work before Him, then we never even care about entering the temple complex.

Those that came to the temple came because they knew they were sinners. When a man or woman looses that "beginning" or "first" or "start" of wisdom, then they are approaching God on their own terms.

After the "law" was given, the 'good' reaction from the people were;

Exd 20:18 Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off

Then Moses makes this statement;

Exd 20:20 Moses said to the people, "Do not fear, for God has come to test you, that the fear of him may be before you, that you may not sin."

The test was to see if any would approach the mountain on 'their own merit'. And when they had been 'tested' after the giving of the Ten Commandments, God institutes this very 'cornerstone'; the 'building block of worship' upon which all our conduct (including Bible study;)) toward Him should be conducted.

Exd 20:22 And the LORD said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the people of Israel: 'You have seen for yourselves that I have talked with you from heaven.

Exd 20:23 You shall not make gods of silver to be with me, nor shall you make for yourselves gods of gold.

Exd 20:24 An altar of earth you shall make for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen. In every place where I cause my name to be remembered I will come to you and bless you.

Exd 20:25 If (not required, and not suggested, but 'allowed')you make me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stones, for if you wield your tool on it you profane it.

Exd 20:26 And you shall not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it.'

When we come to God, to His words, and to His Word, we must do so with the absolute intent that we have nothing to offer, but ourselves. When we make for ourselves places and things of worship, we profane it. When we 'go up' to Him in our worship, we show our udder nakedness.

The start, or beginning, or "way" to study the Bible, is to do so in the "rest" of His work that has been accomplished. When we add to it what "we have done" or what "we know" or what "we have seen", we profane it.

Like I said. I know you do not believe me, and I am not sure why the animosity is there between us. I have no ill feelings toward you. I know you are a very abrupt man, a very straightforward man, and I appreciate it. But I think you are blinding yourself with "preconceived" ideas about me. I am not looking for "my way", I search for the Lord's way in all I do. I question EVERYTHING that seems to contradict it, even if it be an "Angel of Light" that came to me. I thought that this could be a very interesting study, but I am bowing out for now. Hopefully you will forgive me, not for my sake, but for yours.

 

[stovebolts]

Nathan,
I understand where you're coming from and I feel there is a huge misunderstanding between the two of you.

Again, I understand what you mean by the start of this, and I know that Elijah is hard to understand at times (You're getting better Elijah, or I'm becoming as crazy as you LOL! <-- Thats a joke, so laugh)

I fear that I have an advantage here Nathan. I met Elijah my first week on this forum and through the years I've gotten to know him and what's behind his posts.

Years ago he started a thread on Mt 4:4 that went on by himself for many, many many many many pages but aside from that, he and I have talked about the tabernacle and it's furnishings on several occations. So, when he first asked the question as a required start of what Christ has said, I simply went back to where Jesus quoted from and started tieing it together.

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the direction that he wanted this to go and I do hope you'll chime in with your insights along the way too.

 

[stovebolts]

PS: Three per side ='s six with Christ the CENTER/LIGHT of all! Could even represent 6000 years & then the seventh 1000 years for the saints in heavens in the Judgement? 1 Cor. 6:2-3. And Exod. 25:31-40 cautions about the pattern! + the three on each side will need to be attached to the Main Candlestick holder, huh?

Can we talk about the candle stick first
Exod 25:31 And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.

First off, we see that it is pure Gold, which being a precious metal we see as a testimate to the riches of God and also points to the atonment as noted by the mercy seat which is pure gold below the cherubim which contain the manna, Aaron's rod and the commandments written by God. Then, we see that it is of one piece which is beaten (Isa 53:5 no?).

When we look at his shaft, it has four knops which stand for the universality of Christ just as there are the four winds (Dan 7:2) and the four corners of the world (Isa 11:12)

As then we see the branches, three off each side each having three knops ;) and I've run out of time.

and we haven't even mentioned the flowers... or the oil

 

[Elijah674]

Hi, lets pretend that we are the heads back in Isa. 28's day. They already knew about the 'flowers' maybe? But lets see if Eccl. 3:15 has any repeats for Bible Study that is [REQUIRED] for todays us'ins?

Isa.28
[1] Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty [is a fading flower], which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

Maybe you can add some thoughts on this if it has a 'spiritual' meaning as well? I know that David's word's tell's of a table in Psalms 69:22 that became a trap. They were to be fed at the table with spiritual food, right? Verse 20-28 has some real spiritual food 'me' thinks!;) And why would vinegar not be a good drink when one asks for Grace over it??? Sounds like Christ's day to me!

[2] Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

[3] The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:
(sounds like the Sanctuary 'LAMB' offering would not save these ones? And how could one become a spiritual drunkard?)

[4] And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

[5] In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

[6] And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

[7] But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

[8] For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

That is a statement! But Bible Study is the question, huh?? That was the above case, as Inspired, now what are the comon 'flock' to do?? v. 9

[9] Whom shall he teach [knowledge]? and whom shall he make to understand [doctrine?] them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

UNDERSTAND Doctrine? (2 Tim. 3:16) be Taught Knowledge?? Right out of the Book of Heb. 5-6 huh? Unless one believes that Heb. was not the Eternal Word of God yet? If so, lets just reverse the remark to read that Heb. 5 & 6 is right from Isa, 28:9?? Anyhow 'i' see Eccl. 3:15's Repeat!

[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

And what do we hear today for how to get this doctrinal knowledge? You tell me! Jer. 17:5??

--Elijah

 

[stovebolts]

Wow... very well done! I especially enjoyed the flowers ;)

I'll have to ponder the the last half a bit to let it sink in... thanks!

 

[Sparkey]

[9] Whom shall he teach [knowledge]? and whom shall he make to understand [doctrine?] them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

UNDERSTAND Doctrine? (2 Tim. 3:16) be Taught Knowledge?? Right out of the Book of Heb. 5-6 huh? ...


[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

And what do we hear today for how to get this doctrinal knowledge? You tell me! Jer. 17:5??

--Elijah

Sparrow enters the room for a moment to donate his two-cents: :2cents

Hi guys! Hebrew (vivid, almost poetic language) and Greek (precise analytical language). It's almost as if God is reaching to both sides of our brain, yes?

I like the nursery rhyme: Tsav tsav tsav tsav qav qav qav qav ze`eyr ze`eyr <<----- that's what it looks like in Hebrew. Well, kinda... Hebrew actually looks like Hebrew, but you get what I mean... lol

[Isaiah 28:9-13 HNV] - Whom will he teach knowledge? and whom will he make to understand the message? those who are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts?

For it is precept on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, there a little. (( Tsav tsav tsav tsav qav qav qav qav ze`eyr sham ze`eyr sham ))

No, but by [men of] strange lips and with another language will he speak to this people; to whom he said, "This is the REST,
give you REST to him who is weary; and this is the refreshing:" yet they would not hear.

"Therefore shall the word of the LORD be to them precept on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, there a little; that they may go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

It is unto us that the stone whom the builders rejected has been given that we may hear the whole message and provoke the children to jealousy. Marvelous how the LORD uses the beggerly elements of the earth to better show forth HIS GLORY~!


[Genesis 45:18 KJV] - And take your father and your households, and come unto me: and I will give you the good of the land of Egypt, and ye shall eat the fat of the land.

[Exodus 18:16 KJV] - When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make [them] know the statutes of God, and his laws.

[Isaiah 55:3 KJV] - Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, [even] the sure mercies of David.

[Mark 10:14 KJV] - But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

[John 6:65 KJV] - And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

[John 7:37 KJV] - In the last day, that great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

[Matthew 11:28 KJV] - Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.



As we learn to travel to our Lord (with our Lord) and rest... the very word of God is being fulfilled.

So that's my 2-cents, I like the nursery rhyme. Will God give Knowledge and make to understand the message to babies, those who are given "line upon line" or 'precept upon precept'? Let those who have worked diligently in the word go beyond first things, for truly we are at a point where we should no longer be needing milk but rather, having had doctrinal foundations laid, having been established in our most holy faith, we press on.

Thanks for this thread, I'm looking forward to reading more, and have "subscribed" here.

 

[Elijah674]

Hi, it seems that we are in the right path? The old way was that we were to stay on one target & not run around all over the place? (not like Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16) But whatever, huh? Yet, it did seem that all of the pieces like a puzzel should 'be located & put together' to get the real picture though, huh?

So let me join the crowd here with an old post that I picked up from another site. The author name is at the bottom. I thought that some might find this informative about the TWO COVENANTS!

They say:
The law that was added due to transgression boys and girls was CEREMONIAL LAW.

It was the law concerning the priesthood of Israel (Levi) and Israel's interaction with the same.
The changing of the priesthood from Levi back to Melchizedek (Psalm 110) necessitated a change also in the ordinance.
For it is manifest that our Lord sprang from Judah, concerning which the law says nothing about.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

To put it simply, when Adam sinned he took out a sort of debt mortgage against the righteousness of God.
Man could not pay the principal for his sins so for a season Yah formed the priesthood of Aaron (Levi) and instituted a sacrificial system under a probationary portion of the covenant. This is like forbearance on a note. God took an interest in the priesthood of Aaron until the seed should come and make restitution for the sins of all and satisfy both the interest and principal in the debt that sin had incurred. The sacrifices and Ceremonial portions of the law "put off" the remembrance and penalty for sin from year to year on a national basis and from transgression to transgression on a personal one. The personal transgressions were atoned for from day to day and the national ones from Year to Year.

But they could not purge the conscience!
Once offered they should have had no more remberance of sin.
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

All of the other laws regarding the feasts themselves, the decalogue, civil laws, criminal laws, social laws, and dietary laws were mere codification's of that which had been already practiced by the Hebrews all the way back to Abraham and to a great degree dating back to the first simple offerings of tithes made by Cain and Abel.

We have a High priest, after the order of Melchizedek, even JESUS who made one offering and sat down at the right hand of God. So there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin.

Jeremiah 31:31 tells us that the new covenant is nothing strange or foreign but rather a transfer from the physical tables of stone to the minds and hearts of the people who will embrace it.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So the new covenant is really nothing new after all, just new in the manner of how it is received.

This post has been edited by raysondawn: Jun 13 2009, 07:46 PM

 

[stovebolts]

Elijah,
I was just refreshing my memory on the flowers, knobs and bowls and it was readily accepted that the flowers were lilies, the knobs pomogranits and the bowls almonds.

I think I got the bowls and flowers mixed up because I've read that almonds represent power and resurrection and the lilies attest to Christ himself as "The lily of the Valley".

The knobs were emblems of fruitfulness as seen on the priests hems and in Solomon's temple.

Do you see these the same way and could you share your thoughts?

Thanks!

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah,
I was just refreshing my memory on the flowers, knobs and bowls and it was readily accepted that the flowers were lilies, the knobs pomogranits and the bowls almonds.

I think I got the bowls and flowers mixed up because I've read that almonds represent power and resurrection and the lilies attest to Christ himself as "The lily of the Valley".

The knobs were emblems of fruitfulness as seen on the priests hems and in Solomon's temple.

Do you see these the same way and could you share your thoughts?

Thanks!

Let me put this PS at the top! I think that you would enjoy reading this chapter at this site?

http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc23.html

Elijah here: Try this from Bible Lite Ministries
The Golden Candlestick (Menorah).

Exo 25:31-39, 37:17-24.
Inside the Sanctuary itself, in what is known as the first apartment, or Holy Place, were three pieces of furniture. To the south side of the room was a large golden candelabra, or Menorah, that had six branches off of a central candlestick. The Menorah used pure olive oil as fuel. It was the job of the priests to daily trim the wicks (which were made of old priestly garments) and refill the bowls of oil, so that the Menorah would constantly be a source of light for first apartment or Holy Place. The Menorah represented Jesus Christ, who is the light of the world, and the olive oil was symbolic of the Holy Spirit and the wicks were symbolic of the righteousness of Christ. The Menorah also represents the seven churches of Revelation, who are to share the light of the gospel message with the rest of the world. It can be found in Revelation 1:12 and 4:5.
Sometimes the central candlestick is illustrated as being slightly taller than the others. The Menorah is also thought to be symbolic of the 7 days of creation, with the taller candlestick representing the Seventh - day (Saturday) Sabbath, the only week day that God sanctified (dedicated to a Holy purpose) -

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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On the right is the Menorah as illustrated on the arch of Titus in Rome. The Menorah and other articles from Herod's Temple were apparently taken as war booty by Titus in 70 A.D. after the siege and destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies. The Israeli government recently asked the Vatican to search its vaults for the Menorah, so that should they have it, it might be returned to the Jewish nation. This is unlikely, since Rome was completely sacked and looted in 410 A.D. by the Visigoths, and again in 455 A.D. by the Vandals. Anything of value (such as a large solid gold candlestick) was probably taken.

[SIZE=-2]Copyright by Instituto Geographico De Agostini S.p.A. - Novara - 1962[/SIZE]

 

[Elijah674]

Wow! Bible Study from the earthly Patterned Sanctuary one, to Rev.'s + Heb. True Virgin one of heaven?? Perhaps the study should have started like God intended, huh?? (yes, rhetorical)

OK: We want the substance of the Word of God. An ESTABLISHED FACT. Gen. 41....

[32] And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

And now we want the Established FACT given at least [twice] in vision to Gods penmen. Ecc. 1:9-19 + Eccl. 3:15 even again with the Godhead Documentation!

Chapter 1
[9] The thing that hath been, (past fact) it is that which shall be; (future fact) -----and----- that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? [it hath been already of old time, which was before us.]

And NO, if it is not the case, if it does not happen at least twice, the Word of God Tel's us of this which is far easier for us because of the lesser findings. Such as the rainbow in the sky for there no more world floods & another is Nah. 1:9 for.. 'sin shall not arise a second time'.

And perhaps God was just mistaken, huh? (mans Jer. 17:5 'study stuff!) So let find this a Second Time! In Eccl. 3

[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: (+ sayeth!) nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
[15] That which [hath been is now;] and [that which is to be hath already been;] and God requireth that which is past.

Do you know that 'IF' God was [REALLY] believed, most all of the Jer. 17:5 satans garbage would be quickly given the toss! And even verse 14 above is almost a 'Repeat' of Rev. 22:18-19 Final Warning....

[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God [shall take away his part out of the book of life], and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Most today would pile on top of anyone who teaches the Truth about What Was Finished. + of course the Old & the New Covenant. With this being the case, it would find these two paramont Truth hard to be understood! Way too many deversions regardless of the reason being good or bad. 2 Cor. 4:2

But none the less, God says that HIS WAY IS IN THE SANCTUARY! Psalms 77:13

--Elijah

PS: There are a couple starts attempting this study! Go see if you agree or not?