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[Elijah674]

Nathan,
I understand where you're coming from and I feel there is a huge misunderstanding between the two of you.

Again, I understand what you mean by the start of this, and I know that Elijah is hard to understand at times (You're getting better Elijah, or I'm becoming as crazy as you LOL! <-- Thats a joke, so laugh)

I fear that I have an advantage here Nathan. I met Elijah my first week on this forum and through the years I've gotten to know him and what's behind his posts.

Years ago he started a thread on Mt 4:4 that went on by himself for many, many many many many pages but aside from that, he and I have talked about the tabernacle and it's furnishings on several occations. So, when he first asked the question as a required start of what Christ has said, I simply went back to where Jesus quoted from and started tieing it together.

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the direction that he wanted this to go and I do hope you'll chime in with your insights along the way too.

;) Elijah here: Stand corrected! You do not know me that well. Of all the posters on this site, there is no other one that I have spiritual respect for above Nate! And that is not being personal in the least either, for it is the postings that are spoken of. Yet, I will say one thing more Nate, and that is that I did not think that you would pick up your marble's and go back home? Matt. 10:25

Back on the thread:

Exod. 25
[8] And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
[9] According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and [the pattern of all the instruments thereof], even so shall ye make it.
[10] And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.

[11] And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.
[12] And thou shalt cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in the four corners thereof; and two rings shall be in the one side of it, and two rings in the other side of it.
[13] And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold.

[14] And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them.
[15] The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it.

[16] And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
[17] And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
[18] And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
[19] And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
[20] And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
[21] And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
[22] And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.


Interesting thought of the Sanctuary finds The Court with the inside surely representing Christs Righteousness for His people & then the vast outside for the ones known as Gentile. (the world) And the Tabernacle per/say represented Christ's ministry in heaven. (its Pattern) One thing to notice is that Christ in the O.T. was NOT OMNIPRESENT after Adam lost his earthly domain. Christ was to be confined as the second Adam before His FINISHED Victory over satan. (see Matt. 4:9)

And the Altar of slain burnt sacrifice, has ones acceptance or surrender 'by faith' to the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. Heb. 11:13. And the Lavor surely has the place of ones cleansing in Faith. Rom. 8:1's NO CONDEMNATION.

The first step of reconciliation or for one to have NO CONDEMNATION and to be [IN CHRIST] is to respond to the Drawing of the Love of Christ. We see that this is usually not the case by the large numbers who are documented as lost. Matt. 7's Broadway, Rev, 17:1-5 many + romes daughters, and the pre/flood ones who had 120 years of preaching to them from Noah called by Peter as the preacher of Righteousness. And above all that we read that the Holy Spirit was STRIVING with these ones as well as with all of these other Eternally' lost ones! Obad. 1:16

At any stage of following Christ, one could change his mind & go no further into Sanctification, (required maturity Nah. 1:9) as many of the today ones are doing. Yes, they say, I accept you Jesus in faith, and then turn around and go elsewhere! Matt. 4:4 & 2 Tim. 3:16's requirements are set aside. But notice that, that is not Christ's Psalms 77:13 way... the offering was slain, and the lavor found us with required washings, and then one enters the first room of the Sanctuary. The Sanctification room. This First Room is known as the Holy Place which was used twice daily. Morning and evening.

Can one do the Heb. 6:3 'walk' forward? Lets just leave this here for now & see what direction we will take & if God will permit?

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

The Table of Shewbreadre

Lev. 24 has a little more insight.
[5] And thou shalt take fine flour, and bake twelve cakes thereof: two tenth deals shall be in one cake.
[6] And thou shalt set them in two rows, six on a row, (equal 12) upon the pure table before the LORD.
(and perhaps we can apply this to the 12 apostal N.T. ones. And the Exod.16 Manna that David in Psalms 78 documents was angels food. ibid. 22-25 And note that these Exod. 16 ones were 'Proved' using this 'BREAD' to see if they were OBEDIENT to all of the Godheads Covenant, with just Their one 7th Day Commandment 'testing'!)


One needs to know that Christ's Words of Matt. 4:4 are to be 'spiritually' applied. It is the complete Word of God that is to be used for any saved one at his 'required' (Rom. 8:1) starting point, to become MATURE as God requires of us! (ibid. 14's LEADING as seen in Heb.5-6) Man is required to live by Every Word that projects from the Mouth of God. All 66 Books!
(could any get the TABLE concept from Psalms 69:20-28??? perhaps)

Exod. 25 (and verse 40 we see again after [THEIR PATTERN,] which WAS SHOWN THEE IN THE MOUNT)

[23] Thou shalt also make a table of shittim wood: two cubits shall be the length thereof, and a cubit the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.
[24] And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, and make thereto a crown of gold round about.
[25] And thou shalt make unto it a border of an hand breadth round about, and thou shalt make a golden crown to the border thereof round about.
[26] And thou shalt make for it four rings of gold, and put the rings in the four corners that are on the four feet thereof.
[27] Over against the border shall the rings be for places of the staves to bear the table.
[28] And thou shalt make the staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold, that the table may be borne with them.
[29] And thou shalt make the dishes thereof, and spoons thereof, and covers thereof, and bowls thereof, to cover withal: of pure gold shalt thou make them.
[30] And thou shalt set upon the table shewbread before me alway.

Surely you could offer some scripture for the details above, perhaps even the four 'corner' Gospels for the carrying of the 'Spiritual' Word? But let me just go with this for now. This Table gives the First 'Spiritual' Lesson for Christian required life. It started with the FOOD supplied with Adam & Eve the FIRST day after their creation, the day that they heard their FIRST Sermon from their Master. 7th Day Sabbath Sermon by the way!

OK: Babes they were & babes we are at that Justified starting point. (Perfect, but not MATURE!)
And Sanctification? This is a [WORK] of a lifetime! (James 2) God requires for us to GROW UP, Mature! (Nah. 1:9 be safe to save for all of Eternity)
And All of the Provision ARE SUPPLIED 'IF' we will follow on in this [Sanctification process]. (Phil. 4:13) Eph. 4:13 Requires, '.. unto a perfect man, unto the MEASURE OF THE STATUE OF THE FULLNESS OF CHRIST.'

Again, as one agreed with the CONDITIONS (Laver Washing & Baptism) of this Eternal Heb. 13:20-21 Covenant, we can see that the Faith in Christ at the Alter of burnt sacrifice was just our start towards maturity! And the WASHING at the Lavor could be another point of concern if we put self FIRST. And the Sanctuary service is for us to understand what Everlasting life is all about. (Psalms 77:13) We have the pattern here just being started, and we have a long way of re/understanding (perhaps) to go?

For we are not even into any study yet on the MOST HOLY PLACE. The last act of the Day of Atonement, which was done only once a year. The PATTERN of CHRIST'S LAST FINISHED Work of ones MATURITY. Rev. 22:10-12

More later? Heb. 6:3

--Elijah
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[Elijah674]

After the Lamb offering one goes on to the Laver. What does this signify?

Exod. 30
[17] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[18] Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
[19] For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
[20] When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:
[21] So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.

Take note in 1 Cor. 6 that to be washed was mandatory!
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

[11] And such were some of you: but ye [are washed, but ye are sanctified,] but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Washed? '.. but ye are [Sanctified], (is a process of going forward) but ye are Justified ..' One must be 'IN' Christ for the Rom. 8:1 ones to maintain the Christian walk! The New Birth of John 3:3.

And John 13 find more Isa. 42:21 Magnification of Christ REQUIRED Words!

[4] He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
[5] After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
[6] Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
[7] Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
[8] Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
[9] Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.

[10] Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

And Matt. 10 has these Words which surely are ones 'TESTIMONY' of their DEATH to their old carnal self & agree with the Lord's Eternal Covenant...

[32] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[33] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Who of God would not be baptized, who of God would not take part in communion? Even see Saul in Acts 9 with a total turnaround in his life from carnal to the spiritual rebirth! And the requirement of Baptism, what did he do?

[3] And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
[4] And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
[5] And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

[6] And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

[7] And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
[8] And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

[9] And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
[10] And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
[11] And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
[12] And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

[13] Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
[14] And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.

[15] But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

[16] For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
[17] And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
[18] And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, [and was baptized].

OK: We will leave off here for now. But ask yourself why it was that Christ Himself did not just speak the Word & heal Saul of his 'Blindness'? And that Truth is far from anyone who cannot accept Christ's Word of Matt, 18:17-18

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

OK: When Rom. 8:1 finds one with [at present] 'IN CHRIST' WITH NO CONDEMNATION, & then the required verse of Rom. 8:14 of being Led of the Holy Spirit, then we surely must see the Sanctuary of Heavens PATTERN on earth here at the start of this Study of.. 'GODS Way IS IN THE SANCTUARY' with that teaching!

SO: I have not run off! But 'i' see it as an absolute neccesity to come on back to square one, the FIRST WORKING DUTY of these who all died in the FAITH! (Heb. 11:13) Or Rom. 8:1's [IN CHRIST]

And Square one is the Altar of Sacrifice! Of both God + man's! And it is not the issue of the perfection of the Center/piece of Eternites Rev. 14:6 Eternal Gospel, or Christ's PERFECTION that 'i' want to bring forward, but the ones who do accept the Eternal Covenant Condition of the Sacrifice. (or at least say that they do! Matt. 7 +Rev. 17---Matt. 7:21-22)

So friend: The Altar Pattern will have us, (me at least) with a lot of 'figures' of the future documented prophecies brought forth.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

The Eternal Plan of Salvation was the only way out of ETERNAL death. It required & requires 'total death' to self.

(see Acts 9:4-6) It was & IS CONDITIONAL upon Obedience. Acts 5:32. Even the GRACE was supplied if the conditions would be met. Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9, yet, it was our DUTY IN WORKING OBEDIENCE as we will see as we continue on.

The Brazen Altar was as the whole Sanctuary & court were done, God told Moses.. 'As it was shown thee in the mount, [SO SHALL THEE MAKE IT].' It stood just inside of the court before the Lavor of washing. It was aprox. 8'7" square with a ramp leading to the top which was aprox. 5' in height. It had a horn at all four corners & being scacia wood, it was covered with brass. with a brass grate to allow the [ashes] to fall + for draft for burning.

OK: God required, & man was to OBEY. Gods Eternal Gospel was CONDITIONAL of man's obedience. (read Gen. 4:3-7!) And the offering was to be the very best of man's Lamb, for the Godhead gave their very best! (God/Christ) There is no doubt as to this perfect sacrifice!

'A Lamb without Blemish' (Exod 12:5) 'The Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world.' (John 1:29) And take note.. 'the Lamb Slain FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD'! (Rev. 13:8)
And of utmost importance is God Himself set this fire of His 'OWN KINDLING'! And it burned Morning & Evening continually. See Exod. 29:38-42 And it was the 'whole BURNT (burned up) SACRIFICE.' Deut. 33:10.

And Lev. 9 (stated)
[24] And there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.

OK: Were all of these ones of Rom. 8:1 who were with NO Condemnation at present, while they were [IN CHRIST] still so if they were not LED as in verse 14 of the Holy Ghost? These O.T. ones ALL DIED IN THE FAITH we are told in Heb. 11:13. So, were these ones who sacrificed to God, Once Saved Always Saved?
Or could they disobey in the further Work of Sanctification? Could they offer their required 'Lamb' offering and then not continue on in the 'washing at the lavor + forward?

And could one bring just any old offering on their part & even be accepted in the first place? (and some of the today ones do?)
In Mal. 1..

[6] A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

[7] Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible.
[8] And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.
[9] And now, I pray you, beseech God that he will be gracious unto us: this hath been by your means: will he regard your persons? saith the LORD of hosts.

[10] Who is there even among you that would shut the doors for nought? neither do ye kindle fire on mine altar for nought. I have no pleasure in you, saith the LORD of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand.

(And the todays ones?? OSAS, huh. Hardly! Eccl. 3:15) And this burning the sinner with ETERNAL FIRE for ALL Eternity? Even note the the ASHES represent the sin of the rightous ones of Obedience. And take note of ...

Deut. 33
[12] And the [fire upon the Altar shall be burning in it; IT SHALL NOT BE PUT OUT: ... ' (verse 13) The fire [shall be burning [upon the Altar; IT SHALL NEVER GO OUT].'

Let's come on back to more on this FIRE FROM GOD OF CONSUMING SIN!

--Elijah


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[Elijah674]

FIRE of the Altar:

Matt. 13

[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
[42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

The FINAL separation of sin & sinners. David in Psalms 37 understood about the Fire of God.
[9] For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
[10] For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

If one really believed God as did David, (Psalms 77 in part) they would find out how he (David) found out what their END WAS TO BE. In Psalms 73 we see...
Psalms .73

[1] Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.
[2] But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped.
[3] For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

[4] For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm.
[5] They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men.
[6] Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.
[7] Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.
(see Matt. 4:8-9 for one reason why)
....

[14] For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.
[15] If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.
[16] When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;
[17] Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I [their end.]

And what does one see at the Alter of Burnt Offering at Gods Sanctuary? ''THEN UNDERSTOOD I THEIR END'

(Smoke & Ashes)
And we need to REMEMBER the Required 'working Obedience' [to move on] into Maturing Sanctification. Rom. 8:14 again & again!

Fire & then Smoke. And Gen. 19's Sodom & cities in just part.

[14] And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.
[15] And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

(Both the sinner were to be [consumed] & [in the iniquity] or Rev. 18:4's Partaker)
....

Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.
....
[24] Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
[25] And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, [and all the inhabitants of the cities], and that which grew upon the ground.
....
[27] And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:
[28] And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smokeof the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.

OK: Smoke was left from the ASHES of [both sin + the sinners.] There is no place on earth that has this fire still burning.

And Inspiration has it in Jude as Eternal Fire! Finished, Consumed, THEIR END!
Even as an example of sin & all sinners!

[6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the [judgment of the great day].
[7] Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth [for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.]

And they are not still burning, nor are they once saved & always saved, but as this example finds, they are to be Gone for all of Eternity! We find in Obad. 1:16 the Inspiration with this Eternal fact...

[16] '....and they shall swallow down, [and they shall be as though they had not been].

Just as the Eternities before, where they were not, so shall they be again when the Fire IS FINISHED. GONE! never, no never, to exist again, think about that before you fall asleep this evening!

One more on this for what the Fire of God that came upon the Altar was projected to do with the offering of sacrifice for man's sin that is seen consumed upon His Altar. In Mal. we see...
Mal.4

[1] For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

[2] But unto you that fear my name .... '

[3] And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be [ashes] under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

And the Altar ashes will be all that remains of the sinner, as God has shown. See Nah. 1:9

Two Truths at least seen here: First God DEMANDS 'All of us in Submission' to His Plan of Salvation, & that is only the Start of Sanctification into Required Maturity. We MUST MOVE ON! And the other Truth is that Sin will not stay around in Eternity, nor the sinner!

--Elijah

PS: Here are a couple verses which tie in the Required by blood sacrifice of Christ's Atonement in the future Faith of these ones.The verses that I wanted were Lev. 17

[11] For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
.....

[14] For it is the life of [all flesh;] the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

 

[Elijah674]

The Justification (Acts 5:32) given to us for 'our loving obedient' duty, is just our Born Again starting point toward mature Sanctification. The Fire From OFF The Altar Does What? One of two things! First came us as Justified 'In Christ' PARTAKERS, and then we will either go forward from Rom. 8:1's Justification to full MATURITY of being Led, or we will stop somewhere along the line from the Obedient Required Sanctification process, to that of being Fatherless or as Inspiration documents... bastards. And the steps or process continues on from the Altar to the Lavor for Washing. Exod. 30:17-21. (on down)

Heb. 12 finds the maturing process...
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

And the work of the Lord is not only the easy things! See Isa. 58:1. And if we are that far yet? then read on through the chapter. You might even see if we understand chapter 59's Truth in verse 1-2?

Dan. 12 has a last day message for us.
[8] And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
[9] And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
[10] [Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;] but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. (and the fire does what??)

1 Peter 1
[22] [Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit] unto unfeigned love of the brethern, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being Born again, not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, [by the Word of God, which liveth and abbideth forever.]

Just a Honest side Requirement on these Chastisements! How could anyone Love God First & His creation Second, and not WARN the lost sinner if that was the case? (Matt. 7's Lost Broadway ones) Again read the duty above of Heb. 12:8! Being a follower of Christ often wars against the flesh! Matt. 10:34-38 (even read verses 5-6)

And we found that from the Altar forward required further Loving commands being obeyed! Notice this twice stated warning below in...

Exod. 30
[17] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[18] Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
[19] For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
[20] When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:
[21] So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.
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The Lavor finds much Truth to be understood which God wants us to understand.
OK: Next time we will see what are just a couple things we can locate. Rom. 8:14

--Elijah


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[Elijah674]

The Lavor of Washing & Eccl. 3:15?

Acts 22 (Washing & Baptism are vital here in Christ's Psalms 77:13 Way, and yes, by His Church Doctrine)

[11] And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.
[12] And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
[13] Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
[14] And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
[15] For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
[16] And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

And more ignorance?? on baptisism, and who were these all baptized into? And all of this the Lavor signified. Again ask yourself what would have been ones fate if they had stopped at just the Altar of Sacrifice and not gone on forward into Sanctification? (see Acts 5:32)
1 Cor.10

[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
[5] But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

Clear, huh! NO?? Then lets just jump ahead into the Most Holy Place for a moment??
Exod. 25
[16] And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
[17] And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
[18] And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
[19] And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
[20] And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
[21] And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
[22] And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

It was Christ that was the 'Spiritual' Rock that was with them day & night. Matt. 4:4 has Christ telling the saved what our diet is to be.. EVERY WORD! Now again ask yourself about the ones of Heb. 11:!3 that ALL DIED IN THE FAITH, here we see in verse 5 that some were 'overthron in the wilderness'. And these ones were the ones who went on in the process of Sanctification even past the Lavor of washing & still were found to stop along the way of Sanctification! But lets see on further..


Neh.. 9 finds the above ROCK non other than Christ who gave these Eternal Truths!
[11] And thou didst divide the sea before them, so that they went through the midst of the sea on the dry land; and their persecutors thou threwest into the deeps, as a stone into the mighty waters.
[12] Moreover thou leddest them in the day by a cloudy pillar; and in the night by a pillar of fire, to give them light in the way wherein they should go.
[13] Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:
[14] And madest known unto them Thy holy sabbath, and [commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws], by the hand of Moses thy servant:
[15] And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
[16] But they and our fathers dealt proudly, and hardened their necks, and hearkened not to thy commandments,

There is enough above to have one question their personal walk of Sanctification! And in Exod. 38 we see the patterns of what was to take place & its requirements from the Inspiration of God.

Exod. 38
[17] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[18] Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
[19] For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
[20] When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:
[21] So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.

And what was this a future 'Spiritual pattern' of? We will go on in the WORK REQUIRED IN SANCTIFICATION later, but you can rest assured that God wants & demands 'total' buried death to one carnal self by submersion!

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Here is a post from another site that I have done. And it fits in here because of Gen. 3:15 First SACRIFICE in FAITH was Required from the start of sin. And 'God is NO respecter of persons' finds that Truth right from Adam which was NO Jew's start!

(and I consider these two 'friends' of mine! One is a ex/pastor & the other is a 7th day Sabbath keeper) --Elijah

Rom. 2

[10] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

[11] For there is [no respect of persons with God.]

[12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

[14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

Do you'ins not understand that if old Israel had of not REJECTED Christ, that there would not have been needed Matthew, Mark Luke or John... GOSPEL?? What do you 'KNOW' Rev. 14:6 MEANS! Gen. 3:15's was for MANKIND!! WAKE UP!! Gen. 26:5, verse five was to ISAAC Verse 1) telling him why God CALLED ABE IN THE FIRST PLACE!! [READ IT! THINK OF WHAT ABE WAS DOING FROM DAY ONE????????] And Gen. 12:1-5 finds Abe a [GENTILE & A GENTILE 'SOUL' WINNER] What Eternal Gospel was he TEACHING? and Noah the Preacher of Righteousness as Peter defines him, for 120 years he was PREACHING with the Holy Spirits STRIVINGS with MANKIND'S... TEACHING WHAT?

OK: Now another remark! The above VERSES OF INSPIRATION DOCUMENT that the Godhead NEVER EVEN NEEDED any of us wise/men! These Gentiles were all saved & having the Godheads 'ETERNAL LAW' written in THEIR HEARTS, learning by Their (the Lord's') NATURE.... [[[WITH THE HOLY SPIRITS STRIVING]]] until [[[THEY YIELDED]]] TO HIM. Which [[[THEY DID!]]]

 

[Elijah674]

I thought that this slide would help one to see what the Pattern Moses received of God looked some what like. Heb. 9:22-24 & Exod. 25:8-9

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

OK: I am going to jump ahead from the Altar of ones first requirement just inside the court, on past the Laver of washing & enter the sanctuary on straight into the second room that is called the MOST HOLY PLACE. At Christ's death the (see Mark 15:37-39) veil of the Sanctuary Temple on earth was removed and is seen just one Throne room in the Heaven at present. Note now from one Altar to the LAST DAY of Christ's Work BEFORE THE ARK in heaven as our High Priest. (we will come back to the Holy Place later)

What the point to be seen here is, what was before this Sanctuary built here on earth? Who were saved & how? before the Jews were even 'Pedigreed' as a people? And ABOVE ALL, does the Godhead really change THE ETERNAL GOSPEL from Adam on as we hear in the confused Rev. 17:1-5 'teachings'! And the one 'ROCK THAT FOLLOWED THEM', what about His Word of Heb. 13:8-9? 'Jesus Christ the SAME YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and [FOREVER].' (ETERNAL GOSPEL!)

But do remember that we today are considering from the Alter Rom. 8:1 way of No Condemnation of us on into the LEADING OF THE HOLY GHOST of Rom. 8:14's SANCTIFICATION REQUIREMENT, then on INTO CHRIST REAL FINISHING WORK AS OUR HIGH PRIEST FOR US! And then on back to where the Eternal Gospel starts! Gen. 3:15

The Original Ark in heaven represents the Eternal Government of the Godhead. Gods way is in the Earthly Sanctuary PATTERNED after the Heavenly Government. See Heb. 13:20 + Rev. 14:6 & the 'Epistle of this Oneness' in 2 Cor. 3:3. God is LOVE.

Over the Ark is THE MERCY SEAT! Representing the Eternal Gospel of Rev. 14:6 or the promise of Mercy if & when it was to be needed.

From the start God spoke to His own creation in person by His own VOICE. All of these ones were created in 'Their' (Gods Image) Image even down to being creator's in procreator, as type. (husband & wife in type as one)

we find in Gen. 10
[31] These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.
[32] These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.


Gen.11
[1] And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

(The 'tongues' in Gods creation were all the same with NO confusion until the Tower of Babel.
And we will note that in Gen. 12 that GENTILE Abe was a GENTILE Soul winner + Tithe payer even, long, long, before the Jews were brought into existence! With the VOICE DIRECTED original Commandments of the Godhead, well before Mount Sinai & Moses. See Heb. 13:20's Eternal Plan & Covenant))

Gen.12
[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[2] And [ I will] make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
.....
[5] And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

And if you think that the Eternal Gospel was not being preached with the Holy Spirit bringing in converts, you best toss out your stuff & start all over agai before it is way to late! (Rev. 22:18-19)

And Noah the Preacher of Righteousness as Peter calls him, what in the world does one think that he was preaching????? (Acts 4:12!) For 120 years even, with the Holy Spirit STRIVING for these eternal lost one to accept Christ & enter the Ark of Safety, which they rejected!

It is a NO BRAINER to think that God did not DIRECT His own before He was rejected of His own in asking for a king & in asking Moses to have God not speak to them directly anymore.

And back to Abe again, long before the Jews came on the scene, we 'see' WHY GOD CALLED ABE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
In Gen. 26 we find God telling Isaac WHY HE CALLED ABE, ...

[2] And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[5] Because that Abraham [obeyed my voice,] and [kept my charge, my commandments,] [my statutes, and my laws.]

Sure! Abe was even a Gentile tithe payer, + he kept the clean health laws to boot, +! As God DOCUMENTS.

And the Eternal Gospel??? That started with the Jew and the tongues of angels some falsely teach.

So we need to understand that Salvation was from start to finish of sin, was always promised upon mankinds free will to OBEY the Eternal CONDITIONS given to them of God! Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 is also given Provisions to ONLY the OBEDIENT!

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

OK: The Most Holy Place beyond the 'curtain' (Vail Lev. 16:2 ) that was removed at Christ's death which seperated the once a year function from the twice daily requirement in the Holy place & the court yard, came to an abrupt stop. (Dan. 9:27) These all were 'mostly' considered the laws of Moses.

Yet, we need to understand that even though they needed daily direction for a type of blueprint or recipe set in place for following, God still had governing 'laws' other than the Eternal Covenant. (Exod. 35:27-32) These laws consisted from before the flood because the clean & unclean are seen recorded, even the support for a priest of God. And health law surely were also included. See Gen. 26:5 for WHY Abe was called of God. And Adam & Eve's diet had no flesh foods seen in it. Gen. 1:29-30.

So what does Christ's unfinished work seen in O.T. type that was seen once a year only in the Sanctuary on the day of Atonement tell us today? (Heb. 10:26-27)

Inside of the Throne Roon of Heaven we find just one Room with the Vail removed & Rev. has ALL of the 'typed' fixtures from original furnishings seen.. still there! And ALSO the Ark for the holding of the Godhead's Eternal Covenant for the Universe is inside of it. Rev. 11:18-19, Rev. 22:8-9, Heb. 13:20.


---Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

OK: First off, this is the second of two posts for today! ;)
Remember that these ones seen here are the ones who are seen at the Outer Court Altar of Acceptance of Christ completely, who are IN CHRIST with no condemnation, & are being obediently 'Led' of the Holy Spirit of Rom. 8:14 into full mature Sanctification.

Exod.30 (now inside of the first compartment of the Holy Place)

[1] And thou shalt make an altar to burn incense upon: of shittim wood shalt thou make it.
.....
[6] And thou shalt put it before the vail that is by the ark of the testimony, before the mercy seat that is over the testimony, where I will meet with thee.
[7] And Aaron shall burn thereon sweet incense every morning: when he dresseth the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it.
[8] And when Aaron lighteth the lamps at even, he shall burn incense upon it, a perpetual incense before the LORD throughout your generations.

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[WARNING]
[9] Ye shall offer no strange incense thereon, nor burnt sacrifice, nor meat offering; neither shall ye pour drink offering thereon.

(false known anythings! Eccl. 3:14, Rev. 22:18-19)

Isa.59
[1] Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
[2] But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
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And in Rev. 8 we see this original Alter of Incense in heaven Throne Room..
[3] And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
[4] And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

And the two stacks of Bread? Matt. 4:4 is to be our daily diet! And one is supposed to be 'fed' at the table (church Sanctuary! see Ps. 69:22 & its Rev. 17:1-5 Trap!)

Surely one can see two stacks with 6 per stack equaling 12! 12 Disciple's & Rev. City with 12 Gates no doubt?

And the Lamp is the Rev.'s 7 Virgin Folds. (with Christ the center of the Light for the World) And 70's each 'bow' ?? See Num. 7:85 for ..'each Bowl of seventy' + Christ's othersthat are to be sent in Luke 10:17. See bow or Knop in Ex.25:33-35 & Exod. 37:19.

Just highlights of Rev. 1 & 2 and up to verse two of chapter 2 for now, and this the Heavenly Original Truth!

[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
[2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
[3] Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
[4] John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

[5] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
....
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
....
[10] I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
(and this 'Lord's Day' can only be found in the Most Holy Place!)

[11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (the last two)
[12] And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
[13] And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

(And just in case that you missed Christ here? He is still our High Priest & is still doing the work as seen in Rev. 11:18-19!)

....
[19] Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
[20] The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
(and these Virgin Church's are not the ones of Rev. 17:1-5!!)

Rev.2

OK: Make NO MISTAKE with this Inspiration... even, any or [all] of these seven virgin churches which fault in open sin, and or false doctrines, will in time be SPEWED OUT & REPLACED! And in the Judgement, they will even be Judged far worse that the Rev. 17:1-5 outcasts! See Luke 12:47-48 + Matt. 10:15. (see Matt. 23:38 + Rev. 3:16 as documented in Rev. 3:9, for Laodicea)

[4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

(and these one were at one time seen here as having the Agape Born Again Love of John 3:3-8)

[5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

And that is enough for now. Repent??

--Elijah

 

[Asyncritus]

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[Elijah674]

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Hi! 'i' will put this 'older' post back up here just for you!;)
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We seem to always get personal with the person, and the Bibles 'Inspired' person?? Do we not think that ALL SCRIPTURE IS THE WORD OF GOD?? John 1:1.

How can we read Isaiah 28:7-10 along with a couple more verses in the WORD and think that it is for just one time/frame or person or persons?? Old Covenant & not THE New Covenant?? Notice!

[7] But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
(surely that has more meaning than meets the eye at first glance.)

[8] For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
(Matt. 4:4 will be quoted later on, but the TABLES are where we are to EAT GOD'S WORD! The Church. Compare Psalm 69:20-28 )

[9] Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
(surely one can see that this is also Inspired in Heb. 5?? And KNOWLEDGE + *DOCTRINE??? Surely we have heard of the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST that John was Inspired to [PEN]? How can one limit the Doctrine of Christ to ANYTHING LESS THAN THE ETERNAL WORD OF GOD/CHRIST of Rev. 14:6?? Compare 2 Tim. 3:16-17 which I will also post below)

[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

(That IS STATING a FACT. Some say do not run around the Word of God. These ones do so falsley & in Ignorance. For that is exactly how INSPIRATION has told us to get OFF OF THE MILK! But Let post up 2 Tim. 3:16-17 & the Words OF CHRIST IN MATT. 4:4.

2 Tim. 3:
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

(OK: We are TOLD that we need ALL SCRIPTURE to [HAVE PROFITABLE DOCTRINE]. And that it IS THIS SCRIPTURE that will REPROVE & *CORRECT US!
Again, is that just for where it is found & to the person or persons that are mentioned? HARDLY!

[17] That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

OK: Now for The WORD OF GOD, CHRIST HIMSELF, in Matt. 4:

[3] And when the tempter (devil) came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
(Christ was very hungry, he had just fasted 40 days and nights)

[4] But he (Christ) answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
(Did you get that?? And where was it written? And some think that this was just for satan, or the ones in Deut. 8:3??? One BEST REALIZE that the Word of God IS IMMORTAL, and extends into all of the created UNIVERSE!

And Deut. 8:3 needs a Christians REQUIRED ATTENTION if they are to be Faithful until the END! This is where Christ quoted His Eternal Words from:

[3] And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

--Elijah