Biblical proof of NON-inspiration of all scripture.

[inhopeofglory]

Take the story of The Prodigal Son, for example. That is an excellent story of how God reacts to us. If I go through hard times and forget where I'm from, I know that there is a father who still cares and still wants to give me a huge hug when I come to him, regardless of how stupid I may have been.

How do you know?

I know that if I sin, his grace is sufficient to cover it, and then I go on trying my best to not do that again.

How do you know?

Also, I know that all things will work out for good, that it rains on the just and unjust, that life is better when you love, are patient, good, have joy, peace, kindness, . . . when you do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

How do you know? What if all these passages you refer to aren't actually from the mind of God?

You're still left with a house built on sand, because you have no way of knowing for sure whether ANY passage of Scripture is from God or not.

 

[follower of Christ]

Take the story of The Prodigal Son, for example. That is an excellent story of how God reacts to us. If I go through hard times and forget where I'm from, I know that there is a father who still cares and still wants to give me a huge hug when I come to him, regardless of how stupid I may have been.

Actually the prodigal son story is about mankind in general falling away from God with Adams sin and mans return to the Father. It shows us Gods desire that fallen man return to Him and that the Father is waiting with open arms and rejoices when men find Him.

Looking at the prodigal son parable as tho it were about backsliding firstly seems to contradict MANY scriptures about falling away, and also seems to promote the idea that God is there allowing us to live any way we want after having come to Him. I dont think that is the point at all.

 

[follower of Christ]

You're still left with a house built on sand, because you have no way of knowing for sure whether ANY passage of Scripture is from God or not.

Exactly !
This is a very dangerous path to start on because at some point we can start believing that ANY passage we dont like is uninspired. Ive seen a few folks who ran down this road who have done just that. Anything they dont like is 'uninspired' and they find some way of justifying their belief.

Knowing what I do about our God, I am convinced that He would inspire something that seemed uninspired just to give those looking to cast doubt on His word something to work with.

2 Chronicles is a frightening view of what our God is capable of doing when men want to believe an error.

Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.
And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner. Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.
(2Ch 18:18-22)

And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
(1Ki 22:19-23)

 

[Orion]

I don't want to get sidetracked, . . . but I see the Prodigal Son story being more about God than the son, to be honest

As for what I feel is inspired, . . . I DON'T know if it was. However, many qualities found in various places are worth following and embracing. Some stuff just isn't. Many places in the Bible have me questioning the "infallibility/inspiration", and I wrote a book on it (unpublished currently).

 

[Cornelius]

No "house built on the sand" here. Take the story of The Prodigal Son, for example. That is an excellent story of how God reacts to us. If I go through hard times and forget where I'm from, I know that there is a father who still cares and still wants to give me a huge hug when I come to him, regardless of how stupid I may have been. I know that if I sin, his grace is sufficient to cover it, and then I go on trying my best to not do that again. Also, I know that all things will work out for good, that it rains on the just and unjust, that life is better when you love, are patient, good, have joy, peace, kindness, . . . when you do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I'm not "anti-Bible"!!

Something that helped me to finalize the truth about the whole Bible being the Word of God is when I researched the work of Panin. Its scientific and proves that the whole Bible in fact was written by God, although He used the hands of men to write it with.

Read this link to start with , you can also Google "panin" and "bible numerics"

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=sg2

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.or ... whollyholy


I bought a Numeric New Testament, that was translated using the Numeric pattern and it accurate,(you will see why I can say that when you have read the scientific work done by Panin, who was an atheist before.........) You can only buy it at one place ...here :http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/_pf.php?page=numericmaterials

 

[follower of Christ]

I don't want to get sidetracked, . . . but I see the Prodigal Son story being more about God than the son, to be honest

Definitely agree.
We see Gods reaction there to fallen men who repent

 

[inhopeofglory]

As for what I feel is inspired, . . . I DON'T know if it was. However, many qualities found in various places are worth following and embracing. Some stuff just isn't.

To essentially pick and choose which bits of the Bible to believe/accept/agree with is to make oneself the final arbiter as to what is and isn't God's Word. That's a very dangerous position to take, because it basically says "I determine truth". In so doing you lose any and every foundation for any moral decision whatsoever. Because someone else who holds a contradictory opinion can say "well this is what I feel" and you have no right to say "no, you're wrong". Any deviant and perverse action can be justified that way.

 

[Orion]

But men did JUST THAT, . . . . They made themselves the final arbiters as to what is and isn't God's Word. I just choose to not blindly follow what THEY stated as "God's words".


As for morals, . . . there are enough places in the Old Testament which make me question some of the actions of the Hebrews (who claimed their actions were directives from God). I'm not going to kill an unruly son, a person who claims to be a "witch", or kill people in order to gain some land.

 

[Hugo]

It depends on whether or not you believe that God, through His Spirit, worked through His people to compile the canon.

 

[Orion]

Yes, it would depend upon that, but men have often misunderstood what was or wasn't from the Holy Spirit. There are many who claimed to be receiving insight from the Holy Spirit and have come up with some pretty whacky theology. Even so, the Holy Spirit would know that some of the things written by those men, back then, were not actually correct (due to their primative mindset of the natural world), but it still made its way into the canon.