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Big oil thinks we're stupid!

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MISFIT said:
vic C. said:
Misfit, I understand your zeal, but please be careful of the language. Thanks.
I will. I just find it odd that people claiming to be Christian would not care about GOD's creation. After all the earth was made by GOD for us, we should take care of it.

I care about God's creation. I never said I didn't. I just don't think that attacking business entities amounts to caring for God's creation. The term "Big Oil" is a thinly veiled insult to an industry that provides a vital need.

When auto makers produced a limited line of full battery cars, no one bought them. Few people buy hybrids. Companies will provide what the market demands. Thats just the way it is. Every new car I see on the road seems to be an SUV. Thats what people want, and it takes oil to move them... ..and trucks, and tanks, and planes.
 
Me thinks CC has stock in oil. :P

My honest belief is big business of any kind supplies "us" with what they have convinced "us" are things we need. One prime example is the advertisements on TV for prescription drugs.

I guess this is the time I quote a Michael Douglas movie character:

Lewis Rothschild: You have a deeper love of this country than any man I've ever known. And I want to know what it says to you that in the past seven weeks, 59% of Americans have begun to question your patriotism.
President Andrew Shepherd: Look, if the people want to listen to-...
Lewis Rothschild: They don't have a choice! Bob Rumson is the only one doing the talking! People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.
President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had presidents who were beloved, who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.
 
methinks? See what you get for reading that KJV? LOL :)

Regardless of my personal needs, oil runs the ambulances, medi-vac helicopters, truck that bring us our food, tractors that toil our food, airplanes, military machines, factory machinery.. ..come on Vic, like it or not, oil is our life blood.. ..for now at least. You develop a airplane that runs on something else, and I'm behind you 110%
 
Hybrid cars are a joke! :crazyeyes: They put off more pollution than regular cars. Think about it, where does the electricity come from? In most states it's coal, there for making the hybrid a waste.
 
Catholic Crusader said:
methinks? See what you get for reading that KJV? LOL :)

Regardless of my personal needs, oil runs the ambulances, medi-vac helicopters, truck that bring us our food, tractors that toil our food, airplanes, military machines, factory machinery.. ..come on Vic, like it or not, oil is our life blood.. ..for now at least. You develop a airplane that runs on something else, and I'm behind you 110%
LOL! KJV indeed! 8-)

Anyway, I thought we were talking about consumer consumption for automobiles, which makes up a good portion of the overall sales.

Once again, we got caught with our pants down, trying to build the "perfect beast". 8-)


Misfit, some hybrid technology uses internal sources to charge the batteries and doesn't always have to be plugged in. Did you know some auto electric motors double as generators? Also, when powered by the gas engine, the batteries are also being charged.

I like hydrogen fuel cell technology myself. 8-)
 
vic C. said:
[quote="Catholic Crusader":b02d8]methinks? See what you get for reading that KJV? LOL :)

Regardless of my personal needs, oil runs the ambulances, medi-vac helicopters, truck that bring us our food, tractors that toil our food, airplanes, military machines, factory machinery.. ..come on Vic, like it or not, oil is our life blood.. ..for now at least. You develop a airplane that runs on something else, and I'm behind you 110%
LOL! KJV indeed! 8-)

Anyway, I thought we were talking about consumer consumption for automobiles, which makes up a good portion of the overall sales.

Once again, we got caught with our pants down, trying to build the "perfect beast". 8-)


Misfit, some hybrid technology uses internal sources to charge the batteries and doesn't always have to be plugged in. Did you know some auto electric motors double as generators? Also, when powered by the gas engine, the batteries are also being charged.

I like hydrogen fuel cell technology myself. 8-)[/quote:b02d8]

I'm aware they are getting better, but they are far from a solution. I also like hydrogen, but it will have a hard time getting off the ground because it will cost more than gas at first.
 
MISFIT said:
I'm aware they are getting better, but they are far from a solution. I also like hydrogen, but it will have a hard time getting off the ground because it will cost more than gas at first.

"but they are far from a solution"
And that's the point I've been trying to make here. A lot of people want a solution right now, at least within a few years at most. Not you personally perhaps but many do expect it. We're so used to getting what we want that when we can't it's unacceptable.
Hydrogen and fuel cells are a technology in it's infancy. It'll take time to mature, to become economically viable. I just don't see another technology on the horizon right now and if there is it has a lot of catching up to do before it's even on the current level of development as hydrogen fuel cells.

Government needs to allow free enterprise to do it's magic. The government wants CFLs by banning incandescents. Why not allow the public to apply pressure on the CFL manufactures through the free market to make CFLs a better choice for the public? The government wants ethanol but that's not happening. I believe many who have invested heavily in ethanol looking for a quick buck following the government's lead to push it are going to lose their shirts. In fact I think it's those large investments that are being protected in an attempt to keep grandstanding ethanol until such time investors can at least break even. Then they'll drop it like a hot potato.
 
People seem to notice the cost of our oil today, but if one really studies history, I think they will find it to be something else at play. Apply biblical teachings.

Is it not really the cost of allowing Israel to be recreated? Against God's will?
Is it not requiring more and more of everything we have?
Our time/money, our children's lives, and our devotion to God?
The mid-east is becoming the focal point of our lives, when it should not be.


Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Joshua 24:19 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the Lord: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.

1 Kings 19:10 And he said, I have been very jealous for the Lord God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
 
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Now, after having discovered moons of other planets with surface lakes of liquid methane, should we still be teaching that our oil and gas come from long dead animals?

Data from space probes indicate that Saturn's moon Titan, has on its surface, lakes of liquid methane. Other data indicates the earth has had such lakes of liquid methane long ago at a time during its accumulation of matter/growth. Are we now learning that the petroleum we obtain is the result of deep hydrocarbon lakes seeping to the surface, and should not be thought of as fossil fuels?
http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/media/2006-200 ... 01-06b.mp3

We are now drilling down deeper than ever before, and I've seen reports of tapping into every high pressure hydrocarbons, off Japan. It is said, they are finding it hard to come up with a way of safely capturing the product. The concept of "Sin Taxing People" is just the way politics tries to keep the status-quo of their created caste system. History shows it is them taking adventage of ignorance in our society. "A lie will make it around the world, before the truth gets its' shoes on".

Will methane burn in the air, like natural gas does?

Webster's; Methane - a colorless, odorless, flammable, gaseous alkane, CH4, present in natural gas and formed by the decomposition of vegetable matter, as in marshes and mines, or produced artificially by heating carbon monoxide and hydrogen: it is the simplest alkane and is used as a fuel, a source of carbon black, etc.
a colorless odorless flammable gaseous hydrocarbon CH4 that is a product of decomposition of organic matter and of the carbonization of coal, is used as a fuel and as a starting material in chemical synthesis, and is the simplest of the alkanes.
Britannica 2003 Dead and decaying organic matter may ferment and release CO2 or methane (CH4) or may be incorporated into sedimentary rock, where it is converted to fossil fuels. Burning of hydrocarbon fuels returns CO2 and water (H2O) to the atmosphere. The biological and anthropogenic pathways are much faster than the geochemical pathways and, consequently, have a greater impact on the composition and temperature of the atmosphere.
also called marsh gas, colourless, odourless gas that occurs abundantly in nature as the chief constituent of natural gas, as a component of firedamp in coal mines, and as a product of the anaerobic bacterial decomposition of vegetable matter under water (hence its alternate name, marsh gas). Methane also is produced industrially by the destructive distillation of bituminous coal in the manufacture of coal gas and coke-ovengas. The decomposition of sludge by anaerobic bacteria in sewage-treatment processes also produces a gas rich in methane.
Methane is the simplest member of the paraffin series of hydrocarbons. Its chemical formula is CH4. It is lighter than air, having a specific gravity of 0.554. It is only slightly soluble in water. It burns readily in air, forming carbon dioxide and water vapour; the flame is pale, slightly luminous, and very hot. The boiling point of methane is -162.0° C (-259.6° F) and the melting point is -182.5° C (-296.5° F). Methane in general is very stable, but mixtures of methane and air, with the methane content between 5 and 14 percent by volume, are explosive. Explosions of such mixtures have been frequent in coal mines and collieries and have been the cause of many mine disasters.
The chief source of methane is natural gas, which contains from 50 to 90 percent methane, depending on the source. Methane produced by the destructive distillation of bituminous coal and by coal carbonization is important in locations where natural gas is not plentiful.
Since commercial natural gas is composed largely of methane, their uses may for all practical purposes be considered identical. Because of its abundance, low cost, ease of handling, and cleanliness, such gas is widely used as a fuel in homes, commercial establishments, and factories.
Methane is an important source of hydrogen and some organic chemicals. Methane reacts with steam at high temperatures to yield carbon monoxide and hydrogen; the latter is used in the manufacture of ammonia for fertilizers and explosives. Other valuable chemicals derived from methane include methanol, chloroform, carbon tetrachloride, and nitromethane. The incomplete combustion of methane yields carbon black, which is widely used as a reinforcing agent in rubber used for automobile tires.


Joshua 24:27 And Joshua said unto all the people, Behold, this stone shall be a witness unto us; for it hath heard all the words of the Lord which he spake unto us: it shall be therefore a witness unto you, lest ye deny your God.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
 
MISFIT said:
Top executives of the five largest oil companies tried to shift anger over high prices to a debate over supplies Wednesday, leading a senator to accuse them of acting like “hapless victims†while racking up record profits.

Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., told the executives there’s “a disconnect†between normal supply and demand and the skyrocketing price of oilâ€â€surpassing $130 a barrel even as the oil leaders testifiedâ€â€that the industry has yet to explain.

J. Stephen Simon, executive vice president of Exxon Mobil Corp., said profits have been huge “in absolute terms†but must be viewed in the context of the massive scale of the industry.†He also said high earnings are needed “in the current up cycle†to pay for investments in the long term when profits will be down.

“‘Current up cycle,’ that’s a nice term,†replied Leahy with sarcasm, “when people can’t afford to go to work†because gasoline is costing close to $4 a gallon.

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said Exxon’s annual profits increased from $11.5 billion to $40.6 billion in the past five years and there was no explanation for “why profits have gone up so high when the consumer is suffering so much.â€Â

The five companies earned $36 billion in the first quarter of this year. $36 BILLION.

$36 BILLION.
And when the ‘dog and pony’ show up in Congress is over with, and the TV news cycle tonight is done talking about the ‘tough talk’ those up on Capitol Hill had for the ‘greedy Big Oil execs’…..

Prices’ll be the same, and still ever rising, tomorrow….
and the next day….
and the next…..

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Individually many of us have help to create the crisis that we now have; we want our car/truck/van, because we foolishly believe that make us independent. The more we depend on oil the less independent we really are. If you are able to get to wherever you want to go without the need to use something that uses gas, then you are more independent that those who do.

Remember this, the last thing that those in control wants is to have each and everyone of us independent of them.
 
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