Bogus Christians ?

[follower]

Yhvh sent Yeshua to be crucified a very excruciating and painful and humiliating death
so that He could write His law on our hearts so that we will love to obey Him, as many as
are called by His Name.

 

[Eugene]

Do you really believe that? That the law's purpose was that everyone would keep it impeccably?

Hi Brother Willie T, of course I believe that to be the purpose of the law if one is to put their trust in it; To me that's why it is called the ministration of death; there's not one bit of life in it. BUT according to Rom 6:23 the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Willie T]

Hi Brother Willie T, of course I believe that to be the purpose of the law if one is to put their trust in it; To me that's why it is called the ministration of death; there's not one bit of life in it. BUT according to Rom 6:23 the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Just wanted to get that clearly said for the benefit of those we may not even know are reading these words we write. Sometimes we manage to get our words typed out so that, to a casual reader, they don't really match the Bible .

 

[twinc]

Do you really believe that? That the law's purpose was that everyone would keep it impeccably?

to know and really realise, probably for the first time, what the purpose of 'the law' was and is via google try [Hell's best kept secret] - twinc

 

[ezrider]

I assume you refer to the OT laws. We've had lots of discussions on this in the past, really. This can get to be a heated topic and I don't like heated topics, so I'd prefer to avoid debate, but if I may I would like to briefly add my two cents.

The OT laws are not unacceptable, simply outdated. (The sanitation laws are the most demonstrably obvious example of this.) They were the national laws for ancient Israel (national laws change over time due to circumstance and need), and they were based on the 10 commandments, which I think could be described as the spirit of the law. Obviously the 10 commandments still apply.


That aside, here's the context of John 5:47:
Verse 46: "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for uhe wrote of me."
Based on this it doesn't appear to me that Jesus was referring to the law of Moses. Rather it seems to refer moreso to what Moses wrote that foreshadows Jesus.

I don't know if I would say that they are necessarily outdated, but the important thing to recognize is that they were the national laws for ancient Israel. You mentioned sanitation laws, and I am not completely familiar with them off the top of my head, but I grew up on a farm and remember as a kid that my father would rotate his crops. One year there would be corn in the field, the next wheat, then hay, clover or alfalfa. Rotating the crops and putting the nutrients back in the ground helped to sustain the land. Some of those old laws are still good practical advice. When farmers still rotated there crops regularly, they did not need to use the modern GMO seeds and chemicals and fertilizers to make the crops grow and produce, and the land and soil were much better for it.

As to the scripture where Jesus said had you believed Moses, you would have believed me, for he wrote of me; I believe to be a reference to Deut 18:15-18.

 

[twinc]

I don't know if I would say that they are necessarily outdated, but the important thing to recognize is that they were the national laws for ancient Israel. You mentioned sanitation laws, and I am not completely familiar with them off the top of my head, but I grew up on a farm and remember as a kid that my father would rotate his crops. One year there would be corn in the field, the next wheat, then hay, clover or alfalfa. Rotating the crops and putting the nutrients back in the ground helped to sustain the land. Some of those old laws are still good practical advice. When farmers still rotated there crops regularly, they did not need to use the modern GMO seeds and chemicals and fertilizers to make the crops grow and produce, and the land and soil were much better for it.

As to the scripture where Jesus said had you believed Moses, you would have believed me, for he wrote of me; I believe to be a reference to Deut 18:15-18.

indeed you are correct re Deut. 18:15-18 - but Jn.5:45-47 must be carefully and prayerfully read and interpreted not just as Jn.5:46 or even as 45-46 but as 45-47 and in particular 47 imho - in this wise also see Lk.16:31 - twinc