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thessalonian

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It is said that it is good to listen to the criticism of our detractors. Thus from time to time I try to take in a book from our friends the anti-catholics. My current endeavor is to get through Lorainne Boetner's Roman Catholicism. I have to tell you it is painfully boring so far but I will press on until it is done.

So my questions for Protestants is Do you read any pro-catholic books? I guess the closest you would get to an anti-protestant book is Keatings Catholicism and Fundamentalism. What books from the other side are you reading to broaden your horizons.

Catholics as well, please post anti-catholic books you have read.

Some of mine are "Trail of Blood"
Preparing Catholics for Eternity by Mike Gedron.
Foxes Book of Martyrs (I have yet to finish this as well."
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I've read some of McCarthy's books-- am currently reading "Conversations with Catholics"

I've browsed Foxe's Book of Martyrs, and read a few books by Ron Rhodes (I think that's his name... "10 Questions to Ask Your Catholic Friends" or something like that).

I'll usually read anything my non-Catholic friends ask me to read an examine.. we swap books quite a bit, so I don't remember everything, but if I saw them I'd probably remember better.
 
Trail of Blood is pretty bad.

So is the Novus Ordo Sunday Missal. It blurs the distinctions between Prot and Catholic.

What do you folks think of the use of the Latin Rite/Tridentine Mass? Does anyone on this forum attend? Any Byzantine Catholics here?

JM
 
JM said:
So is the Novus Ordo Sunday Missal. It blurs the distinctions between Prot and Catholic.
JM

Hmm, interesting. I have way to much on my plate to go reading this book, but I'm curious as to how it blurs the distinction between prot and catholic. After all, there is only one Jesus right?

I don't mean to hyjack the thread, but my immediate thought is that anyone that can try to bring two groups together can't be that bad.
 
Books I have on Roman Catholicism... and other fiction

Books written by Roman Catholics that I have.... and other fiction!

Some good, some shocking. All part of the books I have.

  • New Jerusalem Bible (Study Edition)

    What Catholics Really Believe - Karl Keating

    Catechism of the Catholic Church (Revised Edition + amendments) - Geoffrey Chapman

    The Sixteen Documents of Vatican II - Douglas Bushman (S.T.L.)

    Encyclopedia of Catholicism - Richard McBrien (General Editor)

    Infallible? - Hans Kung (is he still a Catholic?) :wink:

    Rome Sweet Home - Scott and Kimberly Hahn

    New Jerome Biblical Commentary - Raymond Brown, Joseph Fitzmyer, Roland Murphy

    The Collegeville Bible Commentary - Old and New Testament

    Does God Exist? - Hans Kung

    City of God - Augustine

    The Doctors of the Church - Bernard McGinn

    Heaven - The Heart's Deepest Longing - Peter Kreeft

    Handbook for Today's Catholic - Fully indexed to CCC - foreword by John Cardinal O'Connor

    A Father Who Keeps His Promises - Scott Hahn

    "We Believe..." - A survey of the Catholic Faith - Oscar Lukefahr C.M.

    Commentary on the Catechism of the Catholic Church - Edited by Michael Walsh

    Handbook of Christian Apologetics - Peter Kreeft & Ronald Tacelli

    The Faith of the Early Fathers (3 volumes) - William Jurgens

I guess now you realise why it is so easy to rebut you Thessalonian!!

The best of these? It would have to be Peter Kreeft. I also enjoyed "A Father Who Keeps His Promises" by Scott Hahn. The worst? By far, the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church)... thicker than the Bible but with so little reference to the Bible!.... It is filled with man-made theology.

:)

P.S. I could recommend many other books that you should consider Thessalonian... but I notice you have trouble finishing even the thin ones...

:)
 
I have a box full of tapes by Jerry Matatics, everything from the Marion Movement to books by Alphonsus Liguori! To this day, the one book I still have on my wish list is the Haydock [study] Bible.

http://www.novusordowatch.org/archive.htm
http://olrl.org/new_mass/
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religi ... ngMass.htm
http://www.sspx.ca/Angelus/1980_May/Ask_Me.htm

Archbishop Lefebvre..."calls the Novus Ordo "a Protestant service, which leads to apostasy."

http://www.holycrossseminary.com/Most_A ... tion_5.htm
Side by side: http://stjosephschurch.net/mass.htm

Peace.
 
I guess now you realise why it is so easy to rebut you Thessalonian!!

Gary, wake up. That scanner comes in handy since you have trouble coming up with your own material doesn't it Gary. :sleeping:

P.S. I could recommend many other books that you should consider Thessalonian... but I notice you have trouble finishing even the thin ones...

YOu do enjoy twisting posts and getting things out of them that aren't there don't you.

:sleeping:
 
i try to read whatever the Baptists give me. Right now I am reading material the Jehovah's Witnesses are giving me... yeah... its fun... ANYWAY!

Im gonna read the "Gospel according to Rome" as soon as my friend gets it out of her room.
 
A couple of others I've read. Book of Mormon, The Great Apostacy, Salvation at Stake.

Foxes book and Boetners are unfinished to date out of pure boredom. I have committed to finishing them now however.
 
Thessalonian said:
Gary, wake up. That scanner comes in handy since you have trouble coming up with your own material doesn't it Gary.
LOL... I use Roman Catholic source material and I do not use a scanner. So again you miss the mark.

As I have already mentioned, you very seldom quote your sources in your ramblings. I wonder why...

:wink:
 
... oh, forgot to mention some of the classics.

  • The Little Flowers of St Francis of Assisi

    The Imitation of Christ - Thomas a Kempis
I have tried to read Summa Theologiae (Thomas Aquinas) but gave up... it is beyond me. However, I have really enjoyed Peter Kreeft's Summa of the Summa

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Summa of the Summa summarizes the thought of St. Thomas Aquinas in this instructive collection of the key passages from the great saint’s Summa Theologiae . In sections devoted to St. Thomas’ thought on God, creation, man, ethics, and other topics, Kreeft presents the main representative selections from the text of the Summa along with abundant explanatory footnotes that unfold the meaning of Thomas’ arguments and their relevance to modern philosophical thinking. Kreeft’s excellent introductory overview and helpful glossary of terms make this an good resource for general readers seeking a deeper exposure to the thought of the Angelic Doctor.

:bday:
 
belovedwolfofgod said:
... Im gonna read the "Gospel according to Rome" as soon as my friend gets it out of her room.

Good book.... I also enjoyed the "Letters Between a Catholic and an Evangelical" - Fr. John R Waiss and James G. McCarthy.

:)
 
Gary said:
Thessalonian said:
Gary, wake up. That scanner comes in handy since you have trouble coming up with your own material doesn't it Gary.
LOL... I use Roman Catholic source material and I do not use a scanner. So again you miss the mark.

As I have already mentioned, you very seldom quote your sources in your ramblings. I wonder why...

:wink:

I don't cut and paste like you do. I don't copy out of books or websites except on occassion. And then I post the link. Did you ever post the link from that stuff you posted the other day on the Assumption? Seems about impossible that both you and D46 would come up with the same text. He didn't ref it either. You will not find my text in any book or website but on rare occassion because unilike you I can think for myself. On the fly even. Go ahead take a quote from any of my posts and search for it. Questions like this one really make me wonder about you Gary. :-?
 
I have read Augustines Confessions (John Kenneth Ryan), which I must admit has stimulated me in many areas.
Mr. Ryan has done an excellent job in linking scripture to Augustines exegesis and has a great commentary and background in areas that assist one into understanding this great thinker in Church history.
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I figured that since Calvin and Luther pulled so heavily off Augustine, I'd lean Augustine, then go for the big thinkers to get a better understanding.

I'm also reading Church History in Plain Language, Second Edition
by Bruce Shelly while cramming for my XP cert...
It seems pretty unbias and factual. Not sure if I'd call it a catholic book or not...
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JM,

I attend a Tridentine indult Mass (approved by the bishop). I also attend a Novus Ordo on occasion... be leery of "rad trad" Catholic sites... they tend to exaggerate certain things (or take pictures from Masses that aren't really Catholic, nor even Novus Ordo Masses). Nonetheless, whenever I attend a Novus Ordo Mass I am particular about where I go, making sure that the priests are faithful to the Magisterium and know what "Sacrosantum Concilium" and "Redemptionis Sacramentum" are, and have actually read through them. lol. :wink:

I also just got the Haydock Bible published by Catholic Treasures (discounted 40%!) from http://www.allcatholicbooks.com (check their damaged section out every so often-- they have good stuff that's cheap that sometimes only has a slight bend in the cover or something).



Gary,

You have quite a collection... do you have the ISBN for the Catechism you're using? I ask because listing an author after it makes me curious as to it's edition.

Also, Kreeft (for the most part) and Hahn are some good authors (I don't like all of Hahn's stuff, but "A Father Who Keeps His Promises" is probably my favorite of his). I really like Kreeft's "Handbook of Christian Apologetics". Hans Kung is probably not the best place to look... he's got problems. I'd be impressed if you could pull off some Hans Urs von Balthasar or Cardinal Ratzinger (aka Pope Benedict XVI).

And for all the times you reference Ott, I'm surprised you don't have his book "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma".

If I could make some recommendations to you Gary, I think you ought to round out your collection with some more reputable theologians:
"The Teaching of Christ: a Catholic Catechism for Adults" by Bishop Donald Wuerl (is a good commentary/extension on the Catechism)
Anything by Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict XVI is great, but my personal favorites are: "Called to Communion", "Behold the Pierced One", and "God is Near Us" (I have almost all of his works as Cardinal Ratzinger, so if you want any overviews.. just ask!)
Hans Urs von Balthasar also has a great deal of works, "Love Alone is Credible" is good as well as his meditation on "Prayer" (but that's not too much Catholic theology there)-- "Theology of History" is good... oh, "The Moment of Christian Witness" is probably the best von Balthsar book.
I don't want to overwhelm you, but other good authors are Chesterton, Fulton Sheen, Cardinal Schonborn (he's awesome), Josef Pieper... St. Anselm (more philosophical, perhaps) is one of my favorite as well.

Oh, and as to sexual morality/sexual ethics (where most of my well opinated ideas on the matter--if you recall the "saran wrap" thread of way back when) come from John Paul II's "Theology of the Body" and "Love and Responsibility" (which I actually like better than TOTB--so if you check out one-- go for "Love and Responsibility"), and a good prof I once had has a book called "The Conjugal Act as a Personal Act"-- Donald Asci.



I am a total bookworm (as I'm sure is now apparent... lol). If anyone wants recommendations... or if you have recommendations for me (even if it's not a Catholic book).. go ahead and suggest them, I'm always looking for a good read.
 
Thanks CatholicXian... I am sure you realise I am a bookworm as well. The list I gave was a PARTIAL list of the Roman Catholic books I have... but thanks for the advise. For instance, I know I have some of John Paul II's writings... I must see where the books are in the piles/shelves. I did enjoy your posts on the moral issues. Also a pet topic of mine.

I will respond fully sometime later.

But one quick answer. The CCC I have is ISBN 0-225-66868-8 (Printed in GB) Bath Press - revised adition 1999. I have several other CCCs but that is the best x-referenced one.

Thanks again.

:)
 
I read and listen to the bible - the one with 66 books. To me it adds light and confirms the truth revealed by the Holy Spirit.

I must confess to reading only a very small number of books cover to cover since being born again. I really have no desire at all to read anything else but my bible.
 
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