Born into sin

[ChevyRodeo]

We are all born into sin because we are all apart of adam and eve. Sin is on our very DNA so I have two questions


1. How was Jesus not born into sin if he was physically born from Mary, a sinner.


2. Regarding

MARK 3:29, "Whoever blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of everlasting sin."
LUKE 12:10, "..... But he that blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven"
MATTHEW 12: 31-32 "....but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.


If someone does commit this unforgivable sin, do they pass that on to their children like Adam passed his sin on? Are the children born unforgivable?
:ohwell

 

[ProphetMark]

How does a baby who dies within 5 minutes of being born sin?

 

[ChevyRodeo]

How does a baby who dies within 5 minutes of being born sin?

because sin is not always an action. some babies are born with cancer, its in their DNA. Since is physically in us and in our DNA, that is how we all have sin, we are all from Adam and Eve who where sinner and it was passed down to us.


this is some really deep stuff and a lot of questions arise.

 

[mondar]

We are all born into sin because we are all apart of adam and eve. Sin is on our very DNA so I have two questions


1. How was Jesus not born into sin if he was physically born from Mary, a sinner.

Good question. Maybe someone else knows a better scriptural passage, but the common answer is that the HS "overshadowed Mary."
35The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.
The sinless nature of Christ then came from his divine side and the HS overshadowed this part of his human nature.

Concerning the exact DNA of Jesus, or the exact physical location of sin in the DNA, thats an interesting thought. Unfortunately, first century writers did not communicate in 21st century scientific terms. Therefore we cannot know if sin is located in the very DNA, or if it is simply a metaphysical concept. There is simply no scientific way to do any research on your concept. If we had sinless genetic material to study and compare with sinful genetic material, that would be interesting. My guess (no more then a guess) is that sin nature is metaphysics and not actually a part of the DNA.

2. Regarding

MARK 3:29, "Whoever blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of everlasting sin."
LUKE 12:10, "..... But he that blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven"
MATTHEW 12: 31-32 "....but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.


If someone does commit this unforgivable sin, do they pass that on to their children like Adam passed his sin on? Are the children born unforgivable?
:ohwell

If you look in that context you will see that the Pharisees attributed Jesus works to the works of the devil. Of course Jesus was doing his miracles by the power of the HS. So then, if you were in the first century observing Jesus miracles and attributed them to evil powers, yes, it is unlikely you would be saved.

I think what is happening in this passage is that Jesus recognizes a heart so hard, that he recognizes divine power in the hardening of their hearts. I think there is a point where a heart can become so hardened that divine truth simply cannot penetrate it and the person is given up unto judgment. I dont think this is anything man can discern, but it is something known only to deity. Jesus can say this, but no other man can say this.

Also, I would question if this passage relates to today. Who today can observe the miracles of Jesus and attribute them to Satan? Today unbelievers simply deny the deity or miracles of Jesus.

To answer your question, I dont see that this could be passed unto children, or even went beyond the first generation that witnessed the miracles of Jesus.

 

[elijah23]

I have trouble with this idea that Adam and Eve pass their sin onto us. I believe it is up to each one of us to refrain from sinning.

 

[jasoncran]

the sin nature, ie the desire and the bent inclanation to sin is passed on. we are judged on where we sin not others sin. if not then any saved relatives would aslo include us.

 

[Joe67]

Here is a witness whereby God has blessed me in the contemplation of this question.

Rom 5:12-15
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. KJV

Joe

 

[DarcyLu]

Also, I would question if this passage relates to today. Who today can observe the miracles of Jesus and attribute them to Satan? Today unbelievers simply deny the deity or miracles of Jesus.

The Pharisees denied where Jesus' power was coming from and that would be from the Holy Spirit. When we see miracles and healings happening today and deny they are from the Holy Spirit, then that is exactly what the Pharisees did, it's blasphemy.

 

[DarcyLu]

1. How was Jesus not born into sin if he was physically born from Mary, a sinner.

Hi Chevy, I could be wrong here, but I think it's because the seed was not from man but from the Holy Spirit, so Jesus was not actually born into sin.

 

[ChevyRodeo]

1. How was Jesus not born into sin if he was physically born from Mary, a sinner.

Hi Chevy, I could be wrong here, but I think it's because the seed was not from man but from the Holy Spirit, so Jesus was not actually born into sin.

So, if technology progresses enough and synthetic sperm can be made. AND implying sin is not passed via egg. The child would be born without sin?

 

[mondar]

I have trouble with this idea that Adam and Eve pass their sin onto us. I believe it is up to each one of us to refrain from sinning.

You might like the writings of a 4th century person named Pelagius. He denied original sin too.

 

[ChevyRodeo]

I have trouble with this idea that Adam and Eve pass their sin onto us. I believe it is up to each one of us to refrain from sinning.

You might like the writings of a 4th century person named Pelagius. He denied original sin too.

Darth Pelagius ! ! he said he could cheat death... sorry it's very late here.

 

[elijah23]

You might like the writings of a 4th century person named Pelagius. He denied original sin too.

I don’t completely understand the idea of original sin, probably. I just get the feeling some people might give in to temptation and then blame Adam and Eve for what they’ve done.

 

[DarcyLu]

1. How was Jesus not born into sin if he was physically born from Mary, a sinner.

Hi Chevy, I could be wrong here, but I think it's because the seed was not from man but from the Holy Spirit, so Jesus was not actually born into sin.

So, if technology progresses enough and synthetic sperm can be made. AND implying sin is not passed via egg. The child would be born without sin?

Could happen yet there is a difference in something that is man made versus something from the Holy Spirit. The impregnation had nothing to do with man.

 

[jasoncran]

synthetic sperm? dna not being organic?

 

[ProphetMark]

Here is a witness whereby God has blessed me in the contemplation of this question.

Rom 5:12-15
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. KJV

Joe

So it's death that's 'inherited', not sin. That's my interpretation of that passage.

 

[Joe67]

Here is a witness whereby God has blessed me in the contemplation of this question.

Rom 5:12-15
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. KJV

Joe

So it's death that's 'inherited', not sin. That's my interpretation of that passage.

Mark,

"By one man sin entered the world." There is not a biblical statement that sin and/or death is "inherited." It says that death passed upon all men, because all men have sinned.

Ps 51:5
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. KJV

This is a revelation to guide us, from David's confession.

Joe