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[phatdawg]

Nothing is more plainly taught in Scripture than that God was in no wise responsible for the entrance of sin;

Nothing can be farther from the truth. The Bible is very clear on the fact that He is the One responsible for the entreance of Sin. Your long-winded loquaciousness notwithstanding.
Can you honestly tell me that you could, with a clear concscience, teach that for just the tiniest moment while God had His back turned, His creation was attacked by some force of evil originating outside of Himself, and that since that time God has been trying to play catch-up so He doesn't end up a total loser at His own game?
You can say "No" all day long, but the fact of the matter is that this is exactly what you are saying.
You can present all kinds of scripture that seems to document your faulty misunderstanding, and you would still be wrong. Just as wrong as wrong can be. Wrong all day long.

Sin is an intruder, for whose presence no reason can be given.

No. Absolutely not. There is not anything that exists right now, or ever did exist at any time in the past, that He did not create. So says John 1:3, nearly the whole first chapter of Colossians, and several quite significant scriptures in Isaiah. Should we get out our pen knives and cut those scriptures from the Bible so the idea of the origin and existence of evil doesn't disturb you any longer?

Before the entrance of evil there was peace and joy throughout the universe

Not really. In essence this was true, but the stark reality is that we would never be able to grow into the full stature of who He is if we had stayed in the condition described to us in the Garden of Eden prior to the fall. We would never be able to be His equals. We would forever be hapless children that never had a chance to grow up.

But there was one that chose to pervert this freedom

What freedom? The freedom to remain as innocent children that could never grow up? That is just another bondage with a shiny veneer on it. The simple inescapable fact of the matter is that if God had not planned for Adam to sin, it would not have happened. If the fall had not been written into the software that God coded Himself, there would be no possible way for it to have ever occurred. That is unless you want to believe in a wimpy, absent minded God with A.D.D. that somehow let an enemy slip in and carry away His creation in chains, Who didn't have the foresight to see it coming, Who was caught with His pants down when it happened.

It goes back to the original statement that I made when I first came on this board, 280 some odd posts ago. Most people that teach the things that you do have never thought about what you are saying. If you had ever clearly thought about what you are saying, you would be ashamed of yourself for saying what you do.

I could go on all night like this, but in the interest of keeping this readably short, I will stop here.

I bid you peace.

 

[evanman]

We are supposed to be servants of God. A servant is a slave!

We are either slaves to righteousness or slaves to sin!

 

[phatdawg]

Ok Evanman;
What you said is quite true. Noone would disagree with that. But which carries the most weight in the overall scheme of things? My servitude or His Lordship?

 

[James1979]

This is a hard doctrine to believe as it was for me. But the scriptures which comes from the mouth of God lays it out perfectly that God decideds who will be with him in his glory and who will not be in his glory. Most church goers do not want to accept that fact that they have no say or choice of that matter of their destiny. The fact is that if God says you will be with me in my glory, you're going no matter what and on the other hand if God says that you will not be with me in my glory but will experience eternal damnation forever more, you will go and you can't do anything about it. Like I said before this is hard to believe that God our creator will do such a thing but God will keep his word as God is under his law as well.

 

[Jay T]

This is a hard doctrine to believe as it was for me. .

You and I had nothing to say about our coming into this world, BUT....how and where we spend eternity is entirely in our hands, and depends wholly upon our own choice.

If you choose to spend eternity in God's everlasting Kingdom, then you must bring your life into harmony with God's ways, with his ideals and standards, with His Laws ...and pattern of living.

For He will not change His Kingdom to suit your convenience or comform to your ideas.

His is a Kingdom of Righteousness (Right-doing) and Peace and Joy.
If you want to live in God's Kingdom, you must be Righteous (Yourself), at peace with God and man.

The Prophet Isaiah states the matter very clearly and leaves no one in doubt regarding who will make the change.
He says: "Seek the Lord while he may be found, call upon him while he is near...let the wicked forsake his way, and the UNrighteous man his thoughts.....FOR MY THOUGHTS ARE NOT YOUR THOUGHTS, NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS, SAYS THE LORD.
FOR AS THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH, SO ARE MY WAYS HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS, AND MY THOUGHTS HIGHER THAN YOUR THOUGHTS", (Isaiah 55:8,9)

Such is the difference between God's eternal Knigdom and the Kingdoms of this world.
Here on this earth man's ideas and ways prevail, BUT over there God's thoughts and standards hold absolute sway.
If you don't like them, then you will not be there.
For God does not want you there in His everlasting Kingdom UNLESS you want to be thereand are willing to conform your life in EVERY detail to His ways and wishes, to His pattern of noble living.
That is it, as far as His Kingdom is concerned, and he says in effect: Take it or leave it !

There will be no compulsion, no coercion, no undue persuasion, no force of any kind.
There will be no more compromising, or coddling.
It is this or else. God is through with sin and sinners.
He has set a day when sin and those who hang onto their sins will be eradicated and destroyed wherever it may be found.
WHY ?
God has, for thousands of years, felt the pain and sufferings of people, who have been effected by sin and its consequences.
He has felt the starvation of little children....
He has felt the pain and suffering of those people who died under the terrible diseases, such as cancer, Black Plague, etc.
He has felt the pain of people, who have lost loved ones, through wars...accidents....etc.

God knows the kinds of people He wants with him throughout all eternity in His Kingdom of Peace and Joy, where no more sin, sickness or sorrow will be found.

As God looks down upon this world of ours, He does not see may different religions or faiths by which men live. He does not see even one of them.....Christianity divided as it is into many different sects, groups, or denominations.
This division among the Christian people did not originate with God. It is not recognized in the scriptures.
For if we read in Psalms 14:....we come to the conclusion that in God's sight there are in the world but 2 classes of people.
Verse 2 says....."The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God".

"Here is the patience of the saints...here are they that keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12)


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