But what do you think, ....yes you ....?

[humble soul]

Jordan Peterson shared a great insight which I listened to recently.
He is a university professor. He has to read undergraduate papers and mark them.
Students often imitate views of writers of more authority than voice their own actual thoughts.
Peterson says he has to reads lots of cliches in papers that are students too afraid to voice their own thoughts.
So he says we should learn to voice our own thoughts even if they attract criticism. Then gradually learn to think. Learn to write by thinking aloud.
I sense this with Christians who quote the Bible. It's like they are afraid to have their own thoughts. Lest God punish them for thinking for themselves?
Ok sorry slight tangent there...anyway Peterson encourages us to think deeply...to ask ourselves hard questions and to really try to understand ourselves and the world.

 

[Serving Zion]

Jordan Peterson shared a great insight which I listened to recently.
He is a university professor. He has to read undergraduate papers and mark them.
Students often imitate views of writers of more authority than voice their own actual thoughts.
Peterson says he has to reads lots of cliches in papers that are students too afraid to voice their own thoughts.
So he says we should learn to voice our own thoughts even if they attract criticism. Then gradually learn to think. Learn to write by thinking aloud.
I sense this with Christians who quote the Bible. It's like they are afraid to have their own thoughts. Lest God punish them for thinking for themselves?
Ok sorry slight tangent there...anyway Peterson encourages us to think deeply...to ask ourselves hard questions and to really try to understand ourselves and the world.

It sounds like peer pressure, even if it is only perceived or projected. It's maybe called oppression or something if the peers are holding a position of power, such as for example a tutor who may fail the student on account of disagreement.

 

[humble soul]

It's hard to be totally original though. So maybe Peterson is being too tough on them. I am a combination of all the stuff I have read plus my life experiences. I try to be authentically original but I probably sound like a new age bleeding heart liberal, no matter how hard I try. ?

 

[Serving Zion]

It's hard to be totally original though. So maybe Peterson is being too tough on them. I am a combination of all the stuff I have read plus my life experiences. I try to be authentically original but I probably sound like a new age bleeding heart liberal, no matter how hard I try. ?

Ecclesiastes 1:9.

 

[humble soul]

It sounds like peer pressure, even if it is only perceived or projected. It's maybe called oppression or something if the peers are holding a position of power, such as for example a tutor who may fail the student on account of disagreement.

Don't quite follow you here Zion.
Peer group pressure influencing what someone writes?

 

[humble soul]

Having said that, Peterson is not a hypocrite. His thinking is original. And fresh and interesting. It's why he has such a following. He dusts away the cobwebs of my mind.

 

[humble soul]

Ecclesiastes 1:9.

Nothing new under the sun?
Personally I appreciate fresh new perspectives. Well it can be the same theme, just a variation.
We need to be woken up. We need spiritual rebirth. Renewal.
Otherwise we start to decay. Our mind gets stuck in one way of thinking or looking at the world

 

[Serving Zion]

Don't quite follow you here Zion.
Peer group pressure influencing what someone writes?

I'd like to listen to the context of what he said, but what I had in mind is the same as what happens when people are scared to break the mould. Maybe it's laziness on their part, that they can't be bothered arguing or thinking for themselves, they just want a passing mark .. or maybe it is more like an insecurity where they feel scared that they will be condescended for going against the conventional way. What I said about peer pressure really addresses the insecurity factor instead of the sloth, but give us a link so we can be on the same page! :D

 

[Serving Zion]

Nothing new under the sun?
Personally I appreciate fresh new perspectives. Well it can be the same theme, just a variation.
We need to be woken up. We need spiritual rebirth. Renewal.
Otherwise we start to decay. Our mind gets stuck in one way of thinking or looking at the world

It was a pun.

 

[humble soul]

they just want a passing mark .. or maybe it is more like an insecurity where they feel scared that they will be condescended for going against the conventional way.

As a former student at college, I know I was just trying to play the game. Use the right buzz word. Please the teacher. Have the "right" opinion. Try to read the teachers mind.
Think I know what you mean now

 

[humble soul]

This was one of his most interesting talks in my opinion. This is where I got the idea for the thread

 

[Corn Pop]

What do i think?. May the Most High God forgive this world.

 

[Serving Zion]

This was one of his most interesting talks in my opinion. This is where I got the idea for the thread

Thanks, that was interesting and it's nice to see that he is teaching his students that way I think I sort of remember it a bit too. Thing is, when we are new in the topic, there's heaps we don't know, so we are afraid to say something wrong in case we get put down for it, and that's what he's talking about. But as the relationship grows and they learn to trust their assessor, they gradually become more comfortable to expose their true self. It's kind of like how we feel shame for our nakedness and have to wear clothes. It's an insecurity that somehow takes hold of us when we experience an attention and treatment that we aren't comfortable with, so we cover our vulnerability. It explains a lot about what is going wrong with social media and public rumours in society - where those who might have some sense of questioning the narrative maybe feel like they'd rather not have the trouble, or, when they do they're outnumbered by thoughtless sheep.. and since it's a human problem, of course it's going to happen in the arena of Christianity - only that the sense of entitlement is greater because they also believe that the narrative is given by God. IMO though: when people are like that, it is actually much easier to talk sense with them because they are agreeable to what the bible says (which, incidentally makes perfect sense when it is handled correctly). It's the Christians spoken about in this clip that really are the problem types:

 

[humble soul]

. It explains a lot about what is going wrong with social media and public rumours in society - where those who might have some sense of questioning the narrative maybe feel like they'd rather not have the trouble, or, when they do they're outnumbered by thoughtless sheep.. and since it's a human problem, of course it's going to happen in the arena of Christianity

Great post and some really important points made.
I can sure be guilty of being inauthentic. Wearing a phoney mask ,pretending to be a humorist. I haven't thought through a lot of Bible verses, so I have much to think about and learn.
I use cliches for a joke. Just for fun. To play with language. It probably annoys people and I seem fake to others.

 

[humble soul]

Thanks, that was interesting and it's nice to see that he is teaching his students that way I think I sort of remember it a bit too. Thing is, when we are new in the topic, there's heaps we don't know, so we are afraid to say something wrong in case we get put down for it, and that's what he's talking about. But as the relationship grows and they learn to trust their assessor, they gradually become more comfortable to expose their true self. It's kind of like how we feel shame for our nakedness and have to wear clothes. It's an insecurity that somehow takes hold of us when we experience an attention and treatment that we aren't comfortable with, so we cover our vulnerability. It explains a lot about what is going wrong with social media and public rumours in society - where those who might have some sense of questioning the narrative maybe feel like they'd rather not have the trouble, or, when they do they're outnumbered by thoughtless sheep.. and since it's a human problem, of course it's going to happen in the arena of Christianity - only that the sense of entitlement is greater because they also believe that the narrative is given by God. IMO though: when people are like that, it is actually much easier to talk sense with them because they are agreeable to what the bible says (which, incidentally makes perfect sense when it is handled correctly). It's the Christians spoken about in this clip that really are the problem types:

I will watch this later.. thanks

 

[humble soul]

It's the Christians spoken about in this clip that really are the problem types:

I watched it. He is probably describing me. Since I don't agree with the condemnation of homosexuals in the Bible.
So yeah guess I've decided that a literal translation of some Bible verses doesn't reflect God's real view.
This approach allows me to be more flexible in dealing with gays. But they still label me a homophobe.
Is the Bible God? Partly. But He is much more than a book, in my opinion.

 

[Serving Zion]

I watched it. He is probably describing me. Since I don't agree with the condemnation of homosexuals in the Bible.
So yeah guess I've decided that a literal translation of some Bible verses doesn't reflect God's real view.
This approach allows me to be more flexible in dealing with gays. But they still label me a homophobe.
Is the Bible God? Partly. But He is much more than a book, in my opinion.

Only Israel has the right to condemn homosexuals because that was written in the law for their nation. They were not told to go into the surrounding nations and condemn the homosexuals were they? So what is the appropriate application of the same law for Christians? Remember that Jesus said to the Jews "I do not condemn you, but Moses will condemn you since it is him whom you put your trust". Christians have been told in the same way "who are you who judges another person's servant? It is to his own master he shall stand. And he will stand, because the Lord is able to make him stand".

 

[Serving Zion]

I watched it. He is probably describing me.

I just want to be clear that the problems caused are through the ones who make themselves the gatekeepers of Christianity and themselves do not go in through the gate (John 10:1). What they teach is contrary to the true message of Christ and they do harm by wrongly condemning those who do not follow their commands while themselves being hypocrites because they do not receive the condemnation of the truth when it is against them.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jordan Peterson shared a great insight which I listened to recently.
He is a university professor. He has to read undergraduate papers and mark them.
Students often imitate views of writers of more authority than voice their own actual thoughts.
Peterson says he has to reads lots of cliches in papers that are students too afraid to voice their own thoughts.
So he says we should learn to voice our own thoughts even if they attract criticism. Then gradually learn to think. Learn to write by thinking aloud.
I sense this with Christians who quote the Bible. It's like they are afraid to have their own thoughts. Lest God punish them for thinking for themselves?
Ok sorry slight tangent there...anyway Peterson encourages us to think deeply...to ask ourselves hard questions and to really try to understand ourselves and the world.

My thoughts:

Those who quote the bible are looking for CONFIRMATION of what they believe to be true.
On this very forum we're required to use scripture in the theology forum exactly because an
idea cannot really be ours --- it has to be biblical.

As to undergraduate papers....
Yes, we draw from others - even HE had to learn from Jung and Dostoesvsky -
but we should definitely use our own wording when writing papers.
Using our own words shows that we understand what we're saying.

 

[humble soul]

I just want to be clear that the problems caused are through the ones who make themselves the gatekeepers of Christianity and themselves do not go in through the gate (John 10:1). What they teach is contrary to the true message of Christ and they do harm by wrongly condemning those who do not follow their commands while themselves being hypocrites because they do not receive the condemnation of the truth when it is against them.

I think I get what you are saying. So you disagree with the speaker in the video?
"The gatekeepers of Christianity". I like that.
Christian Gestapo?
The secret police
self appointed guardians of "the truth"