[__ Science __ ] Can God erase everything?

[Truth_is_powerful729292]

Just curious what science says about this

 

[Truth_is_powerful729292]

Why do big bang theorists think something will come from nothing without a being with the power of God making it happen?

Only God can make 5 + 5 = 11. Only God can make something come from nothing. Random old particles arent God nor are they sentient, they are not even anything more than 3 dimensional constructs in what is arguably a multi dimensional omniverse.

Random old particles can do nothing more than float around and have their form altered as a consequence of the laws of physics and the natural laws of existence. Why would those very particles somehow miraculously for no apparent reason at all be even so much as partially responsible for something coming from nothing?

Particles ARE something. There was never nothingness. Even concepts (ideas) are things which had to have always existed and can only be erased by a being as powerful as God.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Only God can make 5 + 5 = 11.

DIsagreed. God is rational. This is irrational. God cannot be irrational.

Only God can make something come from nothing.

God is something and all things come from God (something). Nothing comes from nothing, even God cannot make nothing (which is "no thing") create something.

Why would those very particles somehow miraculously for no apparent reason at all be even so much as partially responsible for something coming from nothing?

God is the first cause of all things. No thing is responsible for anything unless the first cause enables the second cause (where 'second cause' is some thing created by God) to be secondarily responsible.

Even concepts (ideas) are things which had to have always existed and can only be erased by a being as powerful as God.

God is eternal. His concepts are eternal and immutable. God's concepts cannot be erased by God for then God would be what He is not now and this would contradict His immutability. The concepts of a man are erasable as is a man, but the knowledge of God of that man's concepts are eternal as they are a part of God and cannot be erased.

*I got a headache now* ... j/k

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created in heaven and on earth, [things] visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him [that is, by His activity] and for Him. AMP

 

[Barbarian]

This is like the old question, "can God make a rock so heavy that He can't pick it up?"

Since God is eternal, His attributes do not change. He is rational. Can 1+1 not equal to 2? Sure, if you're doing binary. Then it's equal to 10. But that's just notation. The actual quantities behind the symbols will always be the same; if you have one thing and then another of that thing is added, there will be a pair of things. Mathematical truths are a creation of God; this is why math so often shows us truths about the physical universe; He made it so.

When you come into His kingdom, all of this will then be clear. We see through our own understanding, and so as through a glass darkly, in a faulty mirror. But then, we will see the eternal reality in wonder and joy.

 

[Truth_is_powerful729292]

This is like the old question, "can God make a rock so heavy that He can't pick it up?"

Since God is eternal, His attributes do not change. He is rational. Can 1+1 not equal to 2? Sure, if you're doing binary. Then it's equal to 10. But that's just notation. The actual quantities behind the symbols will always be the same; if you have one thing and then another of that thing is added, there will be a pair of things. Mathematical truths are a creation of God; this is why math so often shows us truths about the physical universe; He made it so.

When you come into His kingdom, all of this will then be clear. We see through our own understanding, and so as through a glass darkly, in a faulty mirror. But then, we will see the eternal reality in wonder and joy.

God can do magic right? Jesus turned water into wine. If magic allows you to make things that don't make any sense happen then shouldn't God be able to erase everything, including ideas?

 

[Who Me]

God can do magic right? Jesus turned water into wine. If magic allows you to make things that don't make any sense happen then shouldn't God be able to erase everything, including ideas?

If your definition of supernatural power is magic, then yes God can do magic. Just as everything you do not understand is magic.

Why should God erase an idea?

As for God erasing everything have you never read in the Bible that he is going to destroy this world and this universe when he judges everyone.

 

[Truth_is_powerful729292]

If your definition of supernatural power is magic, then yes God can do magic. Just as everything you do not understand is magic.

Why should God erase an idea?

As for God erasing everything have you never read in the Bible that he is going to destroy this world and this universe when he judges everyone.

God shouldn't erase any ideas, which is evident by the fact that he's a God of benevolence and is all knowing. Erasing any one idea that exists from existence would collapse reality as we know it which isn't what an all knowing all powerful God would do.

Actually, if God wanted to he could remove an idea/concept from existence and he could make it so that it would be like nothing changed anyway. Remember, God can do things that don't make any sense.

The bible states God will destroy all physical things when the time is right. That is for sure.

 

[Who Me]

he's a God of benevolence and is all knowing.

He is far far more than that.


So why ask if God can erase an idea if you already know the answer.

 

[Truth_is_powerful729292]

He is far far more than that.


So why ask if God can erase an idea if you already know the answer.

Because I posted in the science section, wondering if any one whose knowledgeable of science would give a science perspective of if God can erase everything.

I also wanted to debate with anyone who would claim that God cant erase everything.

 

[Barbarian]

Can God erase Himself?

 

[Truth_is_powerful729292]

Can God erase Himself?

If he chooses to yes

 

[Truth_is_powerful729292]

Just because God has the option to make things happen that don't make sense doesn't mean he will make those things happen. Thats why there's no magical flying teacups

 

[Fastfredy0]

Can God erase Himself?

If he chooses to yes

If God 'erased' himself He would not be eternal or immutable. This contradicts scripture. Therefore, He cannot do it.

 

[Who Me]

That is a question that science cannot answer.

Because I posted in the science section, wondering if any one whose knowledgeable of science would give a science perspective of if God can erase everything.

I also wanted to debate with anyone who would claim that God cant erase everything.

Even though what we understand as science is totally dependant on a Christian world view, scientist have a materialist view of the world and rule out the possibility that the supernatural exists.

Your question is a philosophical or metaphysical question.

God does not act contrary to his character and as it is his character that establishes morality and how logic, science etc works.
That means God will not destroy or erase himself as he is essential for the continuation of the universe, whether this or the one to come. Being perfect he has no need to remove himself from existence.

 

[Barbarian]

If God 'erased' himself He would not be eternal or immutable. This contradicts scripture. Therefore, He cannot do it.

Yes, that is true. Well said.

 

[Barbarian]

Even though what we understand as science is totally dependant on a Christian world view, scientist have a materialist view of the world and rule out the possibility that the supernatural exists.

No. Emphatically no. Science is methodologically naturalistic, which means a plumber doesn't have to believe in God to fix your pipes, but it doesn't mean that plumbers rule out the possibility of the supernatural.

Darwin himself suggested that God just created the first living things, for example.

 

[Barbarian]

God does not act contrary to his character and as it is his character that establishes morality and how logic, science etc works.
That means God will not destroy or erase himself as he is essential for the continuation of the universe, whether this or the one to come. Being perfect he has no need to remove himself from existence.

This is true. As Fastfreddy wrote, since God is eternal and immutable, He cannot erase Himself.

 

[Truth_is_powerful729292]

This is true. As Fastfreddy wrote, since God is eternal and immutable, He cannot erase Himself.

He won't erase himself but that doesnt mean that it he wanted to erase himself he couldnt

 

[Fastfredy0]

He won't erase himself but that doesnt mean that it he wanted to erase himself he couldnt

The statement assumes that God might "want to" erase himself. It is not possible for God to "want to" erase himself; therefore the conclusion is based on a false premise.
God is a perfect being; therefore He can never want something that falls short of perfection (that is outside His nature/essence).

 

[Barbarian]

The statement assumes that God might "want to" erase himself. It is not possible for God to "want to" erase himself; therefore the conclusion is based on a false premise.
God is a perfect being; therefore He can never want something that falls short of perfection (that is outside His nature/essence).

I think you're right. One's opinion on this has nothing to do with salvation, of course.