can muhammed truly be the hitler of his time?

[Lekazar]

Killing people is NOT wrong. As long as the LORD allows it.
"Thou shalt not Kill" means that you should not kill each other for any reason except those outlined by the LORD.

This is some of the Law of the LORD, and it is to be followed until the Heavens and Earth has dissapered;

Exodus 21:15
Exodus 31:12-15
Leviticus 20:9
Leviticus 20:10
Leviticus 20:27
Leviticus 24:10-16
Deuteronomy 13:1-5
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
Deuteronomy 17:12
2 Chronicles 15:12-13
Romans 1:24-32

Amen I say!

Muslims are surely deserving of death for following the evil one.

But there is yet hope for you, repent NOW, and accept Jesus and you
might be forgiven.

 

[Beena]

Some truth about Islam: (Since there has been so much mud-slinging on Muhammed)

"ISLAM IS KINDNESS

"Golden Rule:
No one is a true believer unless he desireth for his brother that which he desireth for himself.

Fellow being:
Do you love your Creator? Love your fellow beings first.

The Mark of Faith:
Kindness is a mark of faith; whoever hath not kindness hath not faith.

Good to God's creatures:
All God's creatures are His family; he is the most beloved of God who doeth most good to God's creatures." Hadith (Islamic Scripture)" ~ K.P. Misra (Pearls of Wisdom)

 

[bibleberean]

From:

Islam's Peace
Author: Dave Hunt
Publication Date: 3/1/2003

"Islam’s founder, Muhammad, began his career attacking rich caravans passing near his base in Medina. The first three assaults failed. The fourth succeeded because the victims were surprised by an ambush during Ramadan. Arab tribes had long refrained from aggression in that "holy month."

Muhammad, however, had received a "revelation" authorizing plunder and murder in Allah’s name during this special time of peace (Surah 2:217). Another absolved the Muslims of killing: "Ye slew them not, but Allah slew them" (Surah 8:17). "

Full article:

http://www.thebereancall.org/Newsletter ... /4467.aspx


Muham-mad was everything Jesus Christ preached against.

From the article "Peace on Earth"

Peace on Earth
Author: Dave Hunt
Publication Date: 12/1/2001

http://www.thebereancall.org/Newsletter ... /4490.aspx

"Islam's "martyrs" kill themselves while spreading terror through murdering innocent women and children. Suicide bombers are heroes whose images look down on admiring throngs throughout the Muslim world.

Incredibly, just hours before the attack on America on September 11, Al-Hayat-Al-Jadida, Arafat's PLO-controlled newspaper, wrote,

"The suicide bombers of today are the noble successors of the Lebanese suicide bombers who taught the U.S. Marines a tough lesson....These suicide bombers are the salt of the earth ...the most honorable people among us." And now Arafat supports the war against terrorism?

To become a Muslim one need only repeat the shahada (creed), "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet." Millions have done so under threat of death. How can Muslims imagine that sincere "faith" is produced under such intimidation? Common decency and common sense recoil.

Like Herod, who sought to kill the baby Jesus, so Muslims today are killing those who believe in Him. Here, reported by International Christian Concern (ICC), are a few recent accounts from one small part of Indonesia:


The day the Jihad warriors attacked, we ran toward the jungles. My father quickly tired....the attackers...took his own machete and cut him to pieces...it was my Muslim neighbor who did this...! "

 

[TheStudent]

The Taliban did the work of the American Government.

yes the same hated Taliban worked WITH the USA. how can this be? the USA were just dropping bombs all over Asia trying to STOP the Taliban

if you didnt know, the CIA trained and supplied arms to the Taliban during the Afgan-Russian war.

what does this have to do with all of the posts about Muhammeds 'murdering and plundering'?

we must learn to study the full story. we must learn to understand the enviroment and attitudes of the people involved at the time.

people, think for a moment. Jesus preached love and forgiveness. ask yourself, what else could he preach? he was surrounded by Roman soldiers. his mission only lasted 3 years. people, i'll tell you this, if you were to compare the first 3 years of the mission of Muhammed, you will find that they preached exactly the same kind of love and peace. exactly the same kind of forgiveness and understanding. what else could muhammed do?? he had hardly any followers, Allah made him introduce Islam slowly at first. remember pre-islam, he was known as Al Amin, The Trustworthy.and please, lets not forget all of his acts of charity and kindness, even to people who murdered members of his family. ask yourself, what would YOU want to be done to someone who had killed YOUR beloved Uncle? would you forgive and let the go them as Muhammed did?

jesus, at his ascenion had only had around 200 followers. muhammed had tens of thousands some of which were from even as far afield as China. they had different missions to complete.

military force was needed but only as a self defense to muslims.

people, when jesus does return to create a near heaven on earth, he will do so as a religious, political and religious ruler for 40 years.

 

[bibleberean]

The Taliban did the work of the American Government.

yes the same hated Taliban worked WITH the USA. how can this be? the USA were just dropping bombs all over Asia trying to STOP the Taliban

if you didnt know, the CIA trained and supplied arms to the Taliban during the Afgan-Russian war.

what does this have to do with all of the posts about Muhammeds 'murdering and plundering'?

we must learn to study the full story. we must learn to understand the enviroment and attitudes of the people involved at the time.

people, think for a moment. Jesus preached love and forgiveness. ask yourself, what else could he preach? he was surrounded by Roman soldiers. his mission only lasted 3 years. people, i'll tell you this, if you were to compare the first 3 years of the mission of Muhammed, you will find that they preached exactly the same kind of love and peace. exactly the same kind of forgiveness and understanding. what else could muhammed do?? he had hardly any followers, Allah made him introduce Islam slowly at first. remember pre-islam, he was known as Al Amin, The Trustworthy.and please, lets not forget all of his acts of charity and kindness, even to people who murdered members of his family. ask yourself, what would YOU want to be done to someone who had killed YOUR beloved Uncle? would you forgive and let the go them as Muhammed did?

jesus, at his ascenion had only had around 200 followers. muhammed had tens of thousands some of which were from even as far afield as China. they had different missions to complete.

military force was needed but only as a self defense to muslims.

people, when jesus does return to create a near heaven on earth, he will do so as a religious, political and religious ruler for 40 years.

Muhammad used force to force people to convert to Islam not for self defense but because he believed he had a mandate from his false god to kill anyone who did not convert.

Jesus did not ever try to conquer the world through his followers nor did the Lord tell His followers to conquer the world by force.

He had a different mission.

Luke 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.

Luke 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.

Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Jesus could have destroyed the entire Roman Empire but instead He chose to die for the sins of others.

Matthew 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.

Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Matthew 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

There is no comparison between Jesus and the false prophet Muhammad.

None...

 

[DivineNames]

if you didnt know, the CIA trained and supplied arms to the Taliban during the Afgan-Russian war.

I have read that support went via pakistani intelligence, who had control over which groups were getting money.

 

[DivineNames]

 

[DivineNames]

military force was needed but only as a self defense to muslims.

You mean offensive war to oppress non-Muslims ??

 

[DivineNames]

Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 73:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa:

Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords."



Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386:
Narrated Jubair bin Haiya:

'Umar sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans. When Al-Hurmuzan embraced Islam, 'Umar said to him. "I would like to consult you regarding these countries which I intend to invade." Al-Hurmuzan said, "Yes, the example of these countries and their inhabitants who are the enemies. of the Muslims, is like a bird with a head, two wings and two legs; If one of its wings got broken, it would get up over its two legs, with one wing and the head; and if the other wing got broken, it would get up with two legs and a head, but if its head got destroyed, then the two legs, two wings and the head would become useless. The head stands for Khosrau, and one wing stands for Caesar and the other wing stands for Faris. So, order the Muslims to go towards Khosrau." So, 'Umar sent us (to Khosrau) appointing An-Numan bin Muqrin as our commander. When we reached the land of the enemy, the representative of Khosrau came out with forty-thousand warriors, and an interpreter got up saying, "Let one of you talk to me!" Al-Mughira replied, "Ask whatever you wish." The other asked, "Who are you?" Al-Mughira replied, "We are some people from the Arabs; we led a hard, miserable, disastrous life: we used to suck the hides and the date stones from hunger; we used to wear clothes made up of fur of camels and hair of goats, and to worship trees and stones. While we were in this state, the Lord of the Heavens and the Earths, Elevated is His Remembrance and Majestic is His Highness, sent to us from among ourselves a Prophet whose father and mother are known to us. Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." (Al-Mughira, then blamed An-Numan for delaying the attack and) An-Nu' man said to Al-Mughira, "If you had participated in a similar battle, in the company of Allah's Apostle he would not have blamed you for waiting, nor would he have disgraced you. But I accompanied Allah's Apostle in many battles and it was his custom that if he did not fight early by daytime, he would wait till the wind had started blowing and the time for the prayer was due (i.e. after midday)."





Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"

 

[YESHUA]

id say that hitler had alot of influence from christianity and the bible to.

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

both things hitler commanded his army to do.

[quote:84969]Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

hitler and the nazi party would also have children killed if their parents were disabled, interracial, or politcial opponents.

Islam does the same many places such as follows

Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me." (otherwise it will not). Vol. 4:196

COmmonly, those who did not conform to the nazi partys ways, were tortured until they finally scummed to it.

Mohammed said to the Jews, "You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (Mohammed) and I want to expel you from this land (The Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it." Vol. 4:392

although this is giving people the opportunity to leave peafully, (hmm, i've been told by quite a few christians that i shouldn't live in america because iim an atheist) they are still being forced out of their homes and bean displaced



Mohammed and the teachings of jesus seem very similar, and both seem to be places that hitler could have gotten his ideas from.

however the proof is overwhelming that hitler practiced christianity, and read the bible more than the koran (quran, whatever way ua wish)[/quote:84969]

wrong Hitler misused christianity he was a satanist, there is proof that Hitler was going to start his own religion after he had won the war

 

[hopefearmercy]

can you please

hello yashua,

when you quote hadiths, can you please give the explanation and tell people exactly what happened to have such a hadith arise...during what time, and why?...for misleading is the same has lieing....trust me...in Islam, there are reasons behind everything even if you don't understand them, doesn't mean that they will be misunderstood.

thanks...hopefearmercy

 

[Gary]

As YOU are the Muslim, why don't YOU try and explain the Hadith?

You have said you would explain the Hadith I highlighted... you have still not done that.

http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/hadith/

Start with a very simple Hadith....
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/hadith/#FLY

Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."

OK... now YOU please do the following:

when you quote hadiths, can you please give the explanation and tell people exactly what happened to have such a hadith arise...during what time, and why?...for misleading is the same has lieing....trust me...in Islam, there are reasons behind everything even if you don't understand them, doesn't mean that they will be misunderstood.

So I will wait for you to do the following with that Hadith:

• (1) can you please give the explanation?
  (2) tell people exactly what happened to have such a hadith arise
  (3) during what time
  (4) and why?

 

[hopefearmercy]

done

done already...

 

[Gary]

31 more to go...

Try again: You have said you would explain the Hadith I highlighted... you have still not done that.
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/hadith/

You have tried one... the fly one. I am glad I am not your doctor!

You have 31 more to answer/explain. Maybe you would like to try the one about camel urine being medicine!

:wink:

 

[hopefearmercy]

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[YESHUA]

Agarash, his so-called God you talking about is your God and my God and Muhammad God and all People God, he is one true God,
Just who is this GOD your talking about not my GOD or all peoples GOD, so who is he?
Because you have read from anti Muslims's site you will find a lot of misconceptions,

I told you, Prophet Muhammad did not kill anybody without a just cause,
And often he forgave them,
Did he forgive them before or after he killed them?
Prophet Muhammad said to his enemies leaders after he opened Makka : "Go you are free "
He forgave them despite they have killed his family and his people

And the leader Salaheddin Left crusaders in Jerusalem after he Opened it
Without killing them as what they did with his family and his brothers.

Wars were waged against him, but he convinced his enemies that peace had greater power than war, as was shown by the peace treaty of Hudaybiyyah. In this the Prophet agreed to every demand of his enemies, on the assurance that, in return, peace would necessarily ensue.

So why you did not read this to see how Muhammad and Islam peaceful is .

Why you don't think about the core of Muhammad message it's the monotheism, this is the biggest reward we got as Muslims from prophet Muhammad (PBUH), He guided us to worship God almighty without partner,

So why you don't think about this instead reading from anti Muslims’s site the lies.

Your So-called God consist of three person, so whom you worship, when you want to make duaa for whom your supplicating would be to .
No our GOD does not again and again consist of three person how often do we have to tell our GOD is ONE.
The trinity concept did not come about until hundreds of years later. The only reason the Trinitarian theology of Christianity lives today, is because the monotheistic Christians were murdered because they did not accept the polytheist.
So who are these Christians that were murdered?
Jesus (pbuh) was no more than a prophet, and the bible which associate partner with God had been corrupted by men.
No the Bible has not been corrupted be men and strange enough I have seen Islamic sites using the Bible to authenticate Muhammad being in the Bible on one hand your telling use the Bible has been corrupted by men and on the other hand you use the very same bible to authenticate Muhammad being in it make up your mind is the Bible trustworthy or is it corrupt you can’t have it both ways
So if JESUS was a prophet according to you what did HE prophecy about do you have a record in the Qur'an? surely you will have some of HIS prophecies HE made in the so-called holy book of yours?
Wake up brother Agarash,You have to think about this before it's too late.
NO you wake up before it’s to late to do anything at allShalom to you from the only Shalom namely YESHUA the Prince of Peace soon to come and bring true PeacePeace

 

[YESHUA]

Re: can you please

hello yashua,

when you quote hadiths, can you please give the explanation and tell people exactly what happened to have such a hadith arise...during what time, and why?...for misleading is the same has lieing....trust me...in Islam, there are reasons behind everything even if you don't understand them, doesn't mean that they will be misunderstood.

thanks...hopefearmercy

Shalom hopefearmercy I'm not sure what you mean by quote hadiths could you explain to me which hadiths that might be and by the way who is Meheed and why do you believe that Jesus will come again and this time he will get married have children and eventual die I was told that if I ever went to mecca I would se an empty coffin ready for HIS burial why is this and where in the Qur'an does it say that this will happen?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA my hope and mercy not my fear but the lover of my soul

 

[hopefearmercy]

hello yeshua

Hello Yeshua,

In Islam, we believe in Jesus, we love Jesus with all our heart and soul. We cannot be a Muslim if we did not...We believe in Jesus that he was born from Mary his mother who is very much respected in Islam. We believe that Jesus was sent the Injeel as Moses the Torah, David the Zaboor(Psalms), and Mohammad the Last Book, the Quran. They all taught the same religion from the same God. (peace and blessings be upon all the messengers and prophets of God).

In Islam, we believe in Jesus' second coming. We believe that he will descend and fulfill his mission which he was not able to before. He will descend in Syria. And he will not be bringing any NEW message.

Jesus will be human as when he was on this earth. It is ordained that every human will die ONCE...so he will die after fulfilling his duty.

The Quran reveals the truth about Esa (on him peace) and the things that were attributed unto him by mankind.

The stories of what will happen are documented from the time of Mohammad pbuh. For Allah swt says in the Quran that He will protect His last message and His sunna(sayings and actions of Mohammad pbuh).


See, we are not a religion that goes against the Prophets of any shape or form, but we are a system of "proper" guidelines that have been handed down from the Al Mighty. No one should base their assumption on those who go against Allah and His message.

(another thing, coffins are not a good thing to use and not the proper way of burial for humankind).

hopefearmercy

 

[Gary]

In Islam, Jesus is the Messiah. What does it mean?

:-? :-?

 

[Allah's slave]

Mohammed justified murder and so do the Muslims. That's why they can use the Koran to justify killing people. But Christians cannot use the NT to justify killing people at all! That's why islam is so dangerous. :evil:

Can you please give examples instead of blantly throwing false accustations against the greatest Prophet that ever lived. The one I follow. Once you give concrete examples I will be more than happy to reply.