jasoncran said:
bick you are right, in a sense there, but what about the white throne judgement in Revalation, all those who aren't found in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire, where satan and the false prophet are after the millenial rein. see Revelation 20:11, I believe those judged here die in the millenial rein, on hell see matthew 10:15, and Romans 2:8,9
jason
MY COMMENTS: I said 'the cure for death is resurrection'. At the great white throne the 'dead' have been roused from their first death to stand before Christ on His Throne (Rev. 20:12).
'Resurrection' doesnt' mean raised to 'eternal life.'
That's right, all whose names were not found written in the book of life were thrown into the lake of fire, which is the second death. So, they died the second time, the second death.
(Actually, it is my opinion that those thrown into the lake of fire were killed by the Lord before the thrown).
This judgment is after the millennium has ended (Rev. 20:7). Or, are you saying that "the dead" being judged before the GW Throne are only those who have died during the millennium? If that is what you mean, I would disagree. The 'dead' from Adam on must be included to be judged: those who have not been previously resurrected to life in the celestials(the body of Christ) or on the earth (the righteous Israelites and proselytes).
Actually, both the 'beast' (anti-christ) and the false prophet, as well as Satan, were in the lake of fire,
Rev. 20:10.
Matt. 10:15, NIV: "I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town."
And when will the day of judgment be? Before Christ Jesus on his GW Throne. Nothing to do with a "hell" somewhere in the center of the earth, as is the orthodox view.
Rom. 2:8,9, NIV: "But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every juman beign who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;"
Actually we need to go back to 2:5 to get the context. From the NIV:
"But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God will give to each person according to what he has done."
Again, I believe this time will be at the Great White Throne. And since all judgment of God is given to Jesus Christ, it is He that will be the judge, and He who will repay His vengeance. But His judgment will be according to truth, according to their deeds, and according to Paul's gospel (Rom. 2:2-16).
Finally Paul tells us all this will take place on the day when God will judge men's secets through Jesus Christ.
And quoting Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is DEATH..."
