Can we talk about anger?

[stovebolts]

That's the irony. Because the topic is anger. And hopefully we as Christians are trying to minimise it and only use it with discretion.

Or by way of example from Jesus, use that anger to do good.

Our Father, who art in heaven, blessed be you name. You Kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

On earth, as it is in heaven.

We can either be like this earth, or we can bring a piece of heaven down to it, and make it more like heaven.

The choice is yours.

 

[Tessa]

8 year old James thought he would be shot too. He waited for the man to go, then ran put of the bushes to Buster, his dog. He threw his arms around him and cried inside his heart and soul, but no tears came.
All he knew was he had lost the only being that understood him, and he would never feel safe again.
A young couple found him nursing Buster. They tried to lift him off the dog. James was very angry and he kicked and lashed out with his arms. They couldn't cope with him and phoned the authorities.
A police officer came and took him to the station. They asked him many questions trying to find out his name and where he loved. But James never spoke a word. He just stared straight ahead. He was scared. Alone on a wicked world and he was very angry.
Despite TV appeals nobody claimed this heartbroken boy. Every night he dreams of Buster, only to wake up to the realisation that he will never be able to put his arms around him again. And he is very angry
He was taken onyo an orphanage. James is 16 now. Stoll on the orphanage. What will happen to him?

 

[stovebolts]

8 year old James thought he would be shot too. He waited for the man to go, then ran put of the bushes to Buster, his dog. He threw his arms around him and cried inside his heart and soul, but no tears came.
All he knew was he had lost the only being that understood him, and he would never feel safe again.
A young couple found him nursing Buster. They tried to lift him off the dog. James was very angry and he kicked and lashed out with his arms. They couldn't cope with him and phoned the authorities.
A police officer came and took him to the station. They asked him many questions trying to find out his name and where he loved. But James never spoke a word. He just stared straight ahead. He was scared. Alone on a wicked world and he was very angry.
Despite TV appeals nobody claimed this heartbroken boy. Every night he dreams of Buster, only to wake up to the realisation that he will never be able to put his arms around him again. And he is very angry
He was taken onyo an orphanage. James is 16 now. Stoll on the orphanage. What will happen to him?

Meanwhile, Quincy, the man who shot the dog heard about what happened on the news and was confronted by the reality and magnitude of his actions. Instead of taking responsibility for his actions because of his own insecurities, he justified his actions by focusing on his fear and began projecting that fear on others as he embellished the story within his own imagination. In his mind, the barking dog became as a vicious and rampant dog seeking to shred him with those sharp cainine fangs that he had nearly avoided at such a threatening distance of 20 feet. What other choice did he have but to shoot to kill.
Thank goodness, Quincy thought as he recalled all of his target practice for just this moment he knew would one day come about.

 

[Quantrill]

Can you hear what you're saying? You have too much negative energy coming out of your heart and spirit and you should purge these things from your spirit.

Proverbs 18:14-15
14 The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?

15 The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.../

You'd better cultivate your spirit Brother. And if you think that God is a ninny then you don't read the Old Testament enough. Walking in anger, as you do, is outside the spirit in the flesh. You know this is a spiritual war, you said so. So are we to be walking in love and led by the Spirit or not?

Guns are not more god than God is. You still need God within you even if you carry. Anger is not god. God is love and compassion, and this is our walk.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. I...can not perceive any love or compassion at all in your posts. You sound like you think I should go shoot all the bad dogs or the childrens blood be upon my hands...(!!). That makes 1 Corinthians 13:1 come to mind. I would find it hard to walk in anger and call myself a christian. If we have not love we have become a a clanging cymbal. This isn't a video game man. Real life is a bit different. We've got two main goals on the street. Survive and don't get locked up. Surviving is the easy part. Jesus took care of that. I'll come visit you in jail.

As I said, when it hits the fan...I don't want you anywhere near me.

You should shoot the bad dogs that attack you, saving you and others. But you talk your way out of shooting the dog to save yourself, but leave others at risk.

You keep bringing up the 'love of God' yet you want to keep wearing a pistol and not using it. You're a contradiction. If you don't want to shoot someone, or some dog, don't wear a pistol. If you just wear it for show, as I said, stay away from me.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

This is laughable. You really think I talked my way out of it with the dog? Lol. I don't speak dog language. I spoke in a language the dog could understand though. Bang. I had plenty of time to shoot the dog if he didn't turn at the sound of the warning shot. Luckily he did turn off the attack.

You just keep saying, hesitate hesitate. You obviously don't get it. All of that has already been totally thought out and decided upon before any gun is ever strapped on. There's no time to think when an elephant steps into the room. You would know this if you had thought any of this out beyond videogame scenarios.

You talk yourself out of it. That is your problem.

Yes, you had time to shoot the dog. But, you talked yourself out of it. Hence the problem. There should have been no warning shot. You just shoot the dog. Case closed.

You contradict yourself. You say 'I had plenty of time'. Then you say, 'There's no time to think'. You are now just making up the story in trying to respond to what I have said.

You need to quit wearing a gun. You're going to get someone killed.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

My Father was an Airborne Ranger and LRRP. I know that he has taken many lives in close combat. It's something he lives with.
You talk about taking lives in such a nonchalant manner, I question your compassion for others.

I am proud of our members who disagree with your point of view, and I am glad your odd man out in these discussions. It gives me hope in humanity.

Big deal. What does that have to do with the discussion. Compassion has nothing to do with the need of the moment. You prove my point. If you're so compassionate, what are you doing wearing a gun. If your wearing a gun, then other people are hoping you can use it when it is necessary instead of talking your way out of using it.

I don't care if I am odd man out. Big deal. Your hope is in humanity....your hope is misplaced.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Wow, can you send me a link to this?
Or is it just in your imagination?
I have an imagination too.
The dog belonged to an eight year old autistic boy that despartly needed this dog for emotional support. One day the boy disobeyed his parents and took the dog for a walk and got lost. Tired, the boy crawled under a bush and fell asleep with the dog watching over him. A man came walking by and the dog over reacted, thinking his human was in danger so he began barking as the man unknowingly came closer to the boy. Feeling threatened by the dog, the man pulled out his gun and killed the dog who by nature, was only trying to protect this eight year old boy. The boy didn't know how to cope, so he stopped talking. The boy is now 16 years old and still hasn't spoken.

See, I've got an imagination too.

What's a link got to do with it? I was responding to Edward's statement.

He said he didn't shoot the dog. Thus the dog lived. My point is the dog didn't change it's nature. It would attack someone again.

You imagination is fraught with error. Barking is not attacking. Nice try. Your attempt to portray Edward's attacking dog as an innocent dog is pathetic.

Indeed you have an imagination. You need to work on keeping it believable.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

8 year old James thought he would be shot too. He waited for the man to go, then ran put of the bushes to Buster, his dog. He threw his arms around him and cried inside his heart and soul, but no tears came.
All he knew was he had lost the only being that understood him, and he would never feel safe again.
A young couple found him nursing Buster. They tried to lift him off the dog. James was very angry and he kicked and lashed out with his arms. They couldn't cope with him and phoned the authorities.
A police officer came and took him to the station. They asked him many questions trying to find out his name and where he loved. But James never spoke a word. He just stared straight ahead. He was scared. Alone on a wicked world and he was very angry.
Despite TV appeals nobody claimed this heartbroken boy. Every night he dreams of Buster, only to wake up to the realisation that he will never be able to put his arms around him again. And he is very angry
He was taken onyo an orphanage. James is 16 now. Stoll on the orphanage. What will happen to him?

You imagination is based upon the imagination of another. What bull. Your fiction doesn't represent the original story. It does pander to your and others feel good emotions.

The original story is an attacking dog. That dog needed to be dealt with. That dog will do it again. Because Edward decided to let the dog live, then someone else will have to encounter it. And if it is an 8 year old, woe be to him.

But, that's ok with yall. Cause your heartstrings just won't let you shoot the dog. Ok. Then quit wearing a d*** gun like you can protect someone.

Quantrill

 

[jasonc]

if i may ,since I had to crack a dog in,the head today.yes barking will be included in agressive dogs .if they just bark and don't decide to attack I won't bother with them .I know the dog I hit.if i turn he will bite ,he and his buddy have fled the yard and followed me ,no collars.get bit by a rabid dog ,or get other transpecies diseases such as colitis .no ,and no .

as far as warning shots,no,those are unlawful .you would have to account for,where it goes .cops nor the military use them for that reason .

and yea people do train their dogs to attack meter readers and utility workers .thus a recent law of a first degree misdeamor ,aka one year in jail .

 

[Susannah]

Anger has its uses now and then. It encourages you to:

1. Stand up for yourself when being bullied.

2. Stand up against injustice where you see it.

3. Strengthen you to leave a situation of domestic violence.

4. Protect you from having your feelings of self-esteem destroyed by someone who attacks you.

For these reasons, anger as an emotion, is healthy and helpful. Anger, as an action such as losing your temper, has to be tempered.

I get headaches when I suppress my anger, so I face it and vent to God. I don't bother people anymore. God is like a giant sponge. He soaks up all the justified anger and then it dissipates.

I know Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but you only have to do this once. If you are struck again, walk away and get out of the line of fire.

Yes, Jesus displayed his anger. He acted out from his human side at the moment and not his divine side. This reassures me in some ways. If Jesus can get angry than it is easier to forgive myself when I get angry for the wrong reasons like not getting my way. Jesus was half human and that is the part of him I like best when it comes to judging myself too harshly. His human emotions ware also displayed in the Garden of Gethsemane. He cried out to be exempted and yet he agreed to do God's will. That is me in a nutshell. I can become depressed, frightened or anxious, in my own garden, but I always will do God's will in the end. Right now he wants me to continue working on self-improvement, help others come to God, and feed my orphans in Kenya.

P.S. Even if Jesus's divine side got angry, so what. He is one with the Father who got angry a lot in the Old Testament. Like Father; like son. Only God knows for sure why he gave us the emotion of anger. We are all just speculating.

 

[Edward]

You talk yourself out of it. That is your problem.

Yes, you had time to shoot the dog. But, you talked yourself out of it. Hence the problem. There should have been no warning shot. You just shoot the dog. Case closed.

You contradict yourself. You say 'I had plenty of time'. Then you say, 'There's no time to think'. You are now just making up the story in trying to respond to what I have said.

You need to quit wearing a gun. You're going to get someone killed.

Quantrill

So...you've never really shot a gun? I grew up with loaded guns all over the house. My dad taught me how to reload my own ammunition for pennies. I've probably got several hundred thousand rounds fired in my life time. I hunt. I target shoot. I went through their Ohio cop training (OPOTC) and graduated 3rd overall (but I didn't take the job.) Shooting is a matter of muscle memory. Doing something so repetitively that it becomes second nature and you do not have to think. You react.

Do you know how fast 2 shots can be fired as opposed to one? Maybe time for the dog to lift one paw. You sound like you meed some weapons training. It's actually a lot of fun to go target shooting.

So no one was in so much danger that I couldn't at least try to turn the dog with a warning shot and if he kept coming, so I'd have 0.33 split time between shots or something like that. And I'm not even championship level, lol! I don't go compete in the National Matches, I have enough humility!

I drew a line in the sand mentally and put that warning shot right between his front legs...and it was just like in the cartoon, that dog was four paws in the air and the fastest turnaround and retreat to his house that I've ever seen before. In retrospect, it is very funny. But only because I had the gun. So I can't put it down, Jeesh, I almost needed it that time.

It takes a bigger man to control a situation without bloodshed than it does for any man with any bloodshed. No one wins when there is bloodshed. I've heard that killing someone changes you psychologically, and it's never for the better.
I mean, are we or are we not called to be peacemakers in the Scriptures?

 

[Tessa]

You imagination is based upon the imagination of another. What bull. Your fiction doesn't represent the original story. It does pander to your and others feel good emotions.

The original story is an attacking dog. That dog needed to be dealt with. That dog will do it again. Because Edward decided to let the dog live, then someone else will have to encounter it. And if it is an 8 year old, woe be to him.

But, that's ok with yall. Cause your heartstrings just won't let you shoot the dog. Ok. Then quit wearing a d*** gun like you can protect someone.

Quantrill

Of course it is fiction, and based on another's imagination. That is what it was meant to be.
I have never carried a gun, and never will.
This thread was about anger though. Have you any more thoughts on anger?

 

[Susannah]

Wow, can you send me a link to this?
Or is it just in your imagination?
I have an imagination too.
The dog belonged to an eight year old autistic boy that despartly needed this dog for emotional support. One day the boy disobeyed his parents and took the dog for a walk and got lost. Tired, the boy crawled under a bush and fell asleep with the dog watching over him. A man came walking by and the dog over reacted, thinking his human was in danger so he began barking as the man unknowingly came closer to the boy. Feeling threatened by the dog, the man pulled out his gun and killed the dog who by nature, was only trying to protect this eight year old boy. The boy didn't know how to cope, so he stopped talking. The boy is now 16 years old and still hasn't spoken. See, I've got an imagination too.

My son has a guard dog named Michael after the arc angel. We call him Mi. He was meant to guard sheep but instead he guards my family. He is a devoted servant. Once, he thought someone was threatening me so he jumped from the second floor of my house to stand in front of me. I would have been devastated if he had been shot and killed. I think it is important to train dogs to growl but not attack. If that is all the dog in your story did then he should not have been shot. The man should have just backed up and left. This story makes me sad . . .

 

[Edward]

As I said, when it hits the fan...I don't want you anywhere near me.

You should shoot the bad dogs that attack you, saving you and others. But you talk your way out of shooting the dog to save yourself, but leave others at risk.

You keep bringing up the 'love of God' yet you want to keep wearing a pistol and not using it. You're a contradiction. If you don't want to shoot someone, or some dog, don't wear a pistol. If you just wear it for show, as I said, stay away from me.

Quantrill

No. It's you who misunderstand. There's no contradiction. I'm just following Jesus's instructions...if ye have no sword then sell your cloak and buy one. He also said walk in Love and treat your neighbor as yourself. That means you don't shoot them unless you have to. Unless they force you to do so.

But it's not just for show. It is a wonderful insurance policy and it's most valuable and primary use is as insurance. I might be forced to shoot someone one day, I hope not. But take a look around you. Evil abounds everywhere.

I relate this subject continually to God because He is our real Defender. We are Brothers in Christ, yes? In Christ...Christ in us. Looking at the world and every little circumstance from a spiritual standpoint is what we are. When you consider the world from your flesh and let it make your decisions for you, you will not fare well in conflict.

When you consider the world from a spiritual standpoint and putting the decision instantly to the Spirit and you walk in a peace and cal and joy that...allows one to act/react in the best possible way. For life or death. Do you think God may have steered that rock from David's sling to hit Goliath right in the nighty night spot? Oh yes, Brother! There's plenty of room for God's help when carrying a gun.

 

[Quantrill]

So...you've never really shot a gun? I grew up with loaded guns all over the house. My dad taught me how to reload my own ammunition for pennies. I've probably got several hundred thousand rounds fired in my life time. I hunt. I target shoot. I went through their Ohio cop training (OPOTC) and graduated 3rd overall (but I didn't take the job.) Shooting is a matter of muscle memory. Doing something so repetitively that it becomes second nature and you do not have to think. You react.

Do you know how fast 2 shots can be fired as opposed to one? Maybe time for the dog to lift one paw. You sound like you meed some weapons training. It's actually a lot of fun to go target shooting.

So no one was in so much danger that I couldn't at least try to turn the dog with a warning shot and if he kept coming, so I'd have 0.33 split time between shots or something like that. And I'm not even championship level, lol! I don't go compete in the National Matches, I have enough humility!

I drew a line in the sand mentally and put that warning shot right between his front legs...and it was just like in the cartoon, that dog was four paws in the air and the fastest turnaround and retreat to his house that I've ever seen before. In retrospect, it is very funny. But only because I had the gun. So I can't put it down, Jeesh, I almost needed it that time.

It takes a bigger man to control a situation without bloodshed than it does for any man with any bloodshed. No one wins when there is bloodshed. I've heard that killing someone changes you psychologically, and it's never for the better.
I mean, are we or are we not called to be peacemakers in the Scriptures?

Lots of verbage. Point being, if you don't want to shoot someone or something, don't wear the gun. You're putting other people in danger.

Your time on the gun range means nothing. Your philosophy of when to use the gun means everything.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

No. It's you who misunderstand. There's no contradiction. I'm just following Jesus's instructions...if ye have no sword then sell your cloak and buy one. He also said walk in Love and treat your neighbor as yourself. That means you don't shoot them unless you have to. Unless they force you to do so.

But it's not just for show. It is a wonderful insurance policy and it's most valuable and primary use is as insurance. I might be forced to shoot someone one day, I hope not. But take a look around you. Evil abounds everywhere.

I relate this subject continually to God because He is our real Defender. We are Brothers in Christ, yes? In Christ...Christ in us. Looking at the world and every little circumstance from a spiritual standpoint is what we are. When you consider the world from your flesh and let it make your decisions for you, you will not fare well in conflict.

When you consider the world from a spiritual standpoint and putting the decision instantly to the Spirit and you walk in a peace and cal and joy that...allows one to act/react in the best possible way. For life or death. Do you think God may have steered that rock from David's sling to hit Goliath right in the nighty night spot? Oh yes, Brother! There's plenty of room for God's help when carrying a gun.

The gun is not for show. The sword is not for show. It is to use. That's the problem with you. You want it for show. But you hesitate to use it.

David didn't hesitate. You did.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Of course it is fiction, and based on another's imagination. That is what it was meant to be.
I have never carried a gun, and never will.
This thread was about anger though. Have you any more thoughts on anger?

Oh gee, you have never carried a gun and never will, as though that was so 'evil'. And of course you are so above being that.

Yes, I have more thoughts about anger. I get angry when I see silly women without a gun in their home to protect them from getting assaulted and raped and killed. But...they must have done the 'good thing' in not owning an 'evil gun'.

I wonder if, while they were being raped and just before they were killed, if they thought how good it was that they didn't have a gun? What a good example they would be to their fellow gun hating believers that they endured rape and murder to prove they don't need a gun.

Idiocy.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

My son has a guard dog named Michael after the arc angel. We call him Mi. He was meant to guard sheep but instead he guards my family. He is a devoted servant. Once, he thought someone was threatening me so he jumped from the second floor of my house to stand in front of me. I would have been devastated if he had been shot and killed. I think it is important to train dogs to growl but not attack. If that is all the dog in your story did then he should not have been shot. The man should have just backed up and left. This story makes me sad . . .

Just brings a tear to my eye....not.

Who cares what the dog is trained to do? What did it do? Something your sensitivity never considers.

Quantrill

 

[Susannah]

Just brings a tear to my eye....not.

I try not to give up on people Quantrill, but I have come to the conclusion you are a lost cause due to mental illness. One of the hardest, almost impossible, illnesses to treat is narcissism. It is more than an overwhelming self-concern and conceit. It is the lack of compassion for your victims. In your case I think you take pleasure is bullying me and others. This makes me angry, which is what this thread is about. So I am going to take a nap, pray, meditate and ask God permission to just ignore you. If you ever have a personal crisis, you will never be able to handle it because you underlying ego is to fragile. Your narcissist ego is just a smoke screen for your shame and low self-esteem. Something terrible must happened to you for you to be this way. But that is in the past. It is up to you to start practicing what you read in the Bible about love. Start with Paul . . . see below.

The good news is this is not the man God created. This is your Shadow projected on to others. Once you confess to this sins you will be forgiven.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. (NIV84)

"Love is patient, love is kind" is part of a teaching on spiritual gifts. The purest and highest of all God's gifts of the Spirit is the grace of divine love. All the other gifts of the Spirit that Christians may exercise lack value and meaning if they aren't motivated by love. The Bible teaches that faith, hope, and love come together in a triune and eternal formation of heavenly gifts, "but the greatest of these is love."

Spiritual gifts are appropriate for a time and a season, but love lasts forever. Let's take apart the passage, verse by verse, examining each aspect.

Love Is Patient
This kind of patient love bears with offenses and is slow to repay or punish those who offend. However, it does not imply indifference, which would ignore an offense. Patient love is often used to describe God (2 Peter 3:9).

Love Is Kind
Kindness is similar to patience but refers to how we treat others. It especially implies a love that reacts with goodness towards those who have been ill-treated. This kind of love may take the form of a gentle rebuke when careful discipline is needed.

Love Does Not Envy
This kind of love appreciates and rejoices when others are blessed with good things and does not allow jealousy and resentment to take root. This love is not displeased when others experience success.

Love Does Not Boast
The word "boast" here means "bragging without foundation." This kind of love does not exalt itself over others. It recognizes that our achievements are not based on our own abilities or worthiness.

Love Is Not Proud
This love is not overly self-confident or insubordinate to God and others. It is not characterized by a sense of self-importance or arrogance.

Love Is Not Rude
This kind of love cares about others, their customs, likes, and dislikes. It respects the feelings and concerns of others even when they are different from our own. It would never act dishonorably or disgrace another person.

Love Is Not Self-Seeking
This kind of love puts the good of others before our own good. It places God first in our lives, above our own ambitions. This love does not insist on getting its own way.

Love Is Not Easily Angered
Like the characteristic of patience, this kind of love does not rush toward anger when others do us wrong. This love does not hold a selfish concern for one's own rights.

Love Keeps No Record of Wrongs
This kind of love offers forgiveness, even when offenses are repeated many times. It is a love that doesn't keep track of every wrong thing that people do and hold it against them.


Love Does Not Delight in Evil But Rejoices With the Truth
This kind of love seeks to avoid involvement in evil and helps others steer clear of evil, too. It rejoices when loved ones live according to truth.

Love Always Protects
This kind of love will always expose the sin of others in a safe way that won't bring harm, shame, or damage, but will restore and protect.

Love Always Trusts
This love gives others the benefit of the doubt, sees the best in others, and trusts in their good intentions.

Love Always Hopes
This kind of love hopes for the best where others are concerned, knowing God is faithful to complete the work he started in us. This hope filled love encourages others to press forward in the faith.

Love Always Perseveres
This kind of love endures even through the most difficult trials.

Love Never Fails
This kind of love goes beyond the boundaries of ordinary love. It is eternal, divine, and will never cease.

 

[Quantrill]

Susannah

Again, lots of talk about love. Yet doesn't speak to what I have said. It doesn't matter what the dog is trained to do. What did it do?

Sorry to disappoint you, but your giving up on me....means nothing to me. You think your conclusions are God's conclusions? And you call me a narcissist? Better check the pot...kettle.

Quantrill