Can you be saved and reject the Trinity?

[serapha]

I don't really agree with 100% man and 100% God since that is a contradiction. Jesus simply is the God-man, the Spirit-filled God-man.

Hello Free,

:smt039


Which part of your statement redeemed you... the 100%man or the 100% God??? Remember now, a man cannot forgive sins, but only deity.

It isn't a contradiction to say that Jesus was/is 100% man and 100% God...


If one is a woman, one is 100% woman, yet 100% human, and there are 100% humans that are 100% men.

If a person is 100% woman, 100% human, and a mother, then they are 100% woman, 100% human, 100% mother.

They aren't separate essences, for there is still only one person, but that person is, at all times, a human being who is a woman and a mother... all at one time.

Jesus simply is the God-man, the Spirit-filled God-man.

But Jesus is also pre-incarnate God in the form of Jehovah, the Angel of the Lord, Melchizedek, and Wisdom...

The Lord was preincarnate as "God" before the creation as the Word (Wisdom) , He became the incarnation of God as Jesus Christ, the Living Word, and after His resurrection and ascension, He became the Eternal Living Word.

Jesus was always the Word, and still is... the Eternal Living Word. That's more that a "spirit-filled God-man"


~serapha~

 

[Free]

serapha,

Which part of your statement redeemed you... the 100%man or the 100% God??? Remember now, a man cannot forgive sins, but only deity.

Not sure what you mean by "which part of your statement."

It isn't a contradiction to say that Jesus was/is 100% man and 100% God...

Sure it is. Are you 100% man and 100% woman?

If one is a woman, one is 100% woman, yet 100% human, and there are 100% humans that are 100% men.

If a person is 100% woman, 100% human, and a mother, then they are 100% woman, 100% human, 100% mother.

Your analogies fail because "man," "woman" and "mother" are words used to describe certain aspects of being human. But to say that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God is to combine to completely different natures, much like my 100% man, 100% woman statement.

If Jesus was 100% man, then how could he be God? If he was 100% God, how could he be man? This is a logical contradiction.

They aren't separate essences, for there is still only one person, but that person is, at all times, a human being who is a woman and a mother... all at one time.

She might also be a wife, a sister, an aunt, a grandmother, etc., all at one time. This is not the same thing as Christ's nature.

Jesus was always the Word, and still is... the Eternal Living Word. That's more that a "spirit-filled God-man"

The discussion isn't about the Christ's, or the Son's, eternal pre-existence; that is something I do not deny. But in the Incarnation, when He "became flesh and dwelt among us," there is a mixing, a union of the natures that is a mystery that defies all explanation.

He is the Spirit-filled God-man because the Holy Spirit decended on him at his baptism and he is God in the flesh. To go beyond that and start saying that he was 100% this and 100% that is to go beyond Scripture. The mystery of the Incarnation is simply that Jesus is God in the flesh. We cannot know any more than that about Christ's nature.

 

[evanman]

God BECAME flesh.

In Christ dwelled the fullness of the Godhead in human form, as a 100% human being born of a woman!

God becomes human so that we might become sons of God.

 

[Mac0486]

no

 

[Free]

Hey, good answer mac :wink: ...what are you saying "no" to?

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Well Free,

Mac0486, my roommate, was trying to make me laugh and answer the question of this thread all at the same time.

So he was saying …no to “Can you be saved and reject the Trinity?â€Â

He accomplished both goals…he answered the question and got me to laugh. :-D

 

[Imagican]

I'm real curious about something pertaining to this thread.

Would it really accomplish anything for an 'all powerful God' to defeat temptation towards sin? Wouldn't it take a man to be sinless to die for all sin? In other words, could God really expect something from any of us that wasn't humanly possible? If it were utterly impossible for man to live without sinning then how could He be so hard on sinners? Wouldn't it make more sense that he used Jesus, a man, as an example of what we all could do were we to develope a deep, commited, obedient relationship with the Father.

When the Bible says that we all fall short of the Glory of God, I don't believe that this means that we can't live without sin in our lives, it simply means that even sinless we would not understand love as fully as the Father. I think that the modern church uses statements like these to make excuses instead of teaching responsibility.

The Bible states that a Bishop must be blameless. What does that mean?

To keep you from thinking that I have stepped outside the topic of the thread I add this:

I ask those that make comments, like some of the ones that I've read in this thread, where they come to their conclusions. Not to believe in the 'trinity' is the spirit of aniti-christ? Boy, that would make Paul, Peter, heck, all the apostles followers of the spirit of anti-christ for not a one of them taught a 'trinity'.

In answer to the questioned topic of this thread: Personally I think that trying to believe that Christ was God would hamper a persons salvation rather than destroy it. Christ Himself stated over and over that He was the Son of God and that God was His Father. He nor God ever commanded us that we must accept a' trinity' to receive salvation. Actually the word doesn't even exist in His Word.

:-D

 

[Heidi]

To answer this question, once we receive the Holy Spirit, we will then KNOW the Holy Spirit, Christ, and our Father in heaven. We can call it what we want, but it is impossible to be saved without any one of those because the Holy Spirit enables us to know all 3.

 

[Martinac]

We can't know the answer to this question. One thing is sure and that is that one needs to receive the grace, the deposit if the spirit in order to be saved. To reject the spirit in this is worse than rejecting Christ, and one would have to think that this is bad enough. So its difficult to conceive of a scenario where one could be saved without consenting, at least at a primal level, to the reality of the trinity. There may be cases where this has not yet been concieved of as doctrine for an individual, even though the deepest reality of it has been experienced, but this is a case of ignorance not rejection.