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Elijah674 said:
Subject: Last Days with Rome in bed with her daughters!

Well Vic, what you have is the END TIME PROPHECY of Rev, 17:1-5 with mother rome daily seen in print in the spiritual garbage can of satan. (priests with children, priests with a higher %age with AIDS than even the average american male.. PRINTED, SEEN IN THE OPEN, & nearly daily DOCUMENTED! OK: Surely this is the END DAY'S??

And the celeabrated days?? Holloween, Christmas, + on & on by you know who? Rev. 17:5's daughters. And the best for last of Easter. (coming up, huh?) Which found the Acts 12:1-5 Virgin Extended Church being slaughtered by these ex/church of Christ! Church/State ones. They were the ones keeping the law of Moses! (Israel/Ceasar)

We HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR [they claimed]. Anyway these are the ones who were still keeping the days of unleavened bread (your Easter!) So ALL OF ROMES DAUGHTERS are still in the Spiritual bed with their mommy way past any 120 years of the Holy Spirits [[STRIVING]] along the side of the one called the Preacher Of Rightousness, Noah! And that was Just BEFORE THEIR DOOR OF PROBATION CLOSED IN THEIR [[LAST DAY]]. (see Eccl. 3:15! Vic)

Acts.12
[1] Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
[2] And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
[3] And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) (note that Peter was not keeping Easter in JAIL!) :screwloose
[4] And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

--Elijah


That looks like an overly complicated legal document with references and citations with in references and citations.
 
happyjoy said:
chestertonrules said:
happyjoy said:
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Which church is that church?


The Oldest and Biggest. The Church led by the successors of the apostles. The Church that forgives sins.

Believe me, I was as shocked as anyone when I finally came to recognize the elephant in the room.

Check this out:

http://www.chnetwork.org/converts.html



Sorry I don't buy it. I don't want to hate on Catholics, but it's just not for me. If God were in that leading that Church how did so many homosexual pedophiles become authority figures?


It is a small percentage. All people are sinners, including popes. In fact, one of the popes denied Jesus three times!

That doesn't negate the Truth they speak via the Holy Spirit.



Matt 23 "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
 
As with the Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant, PRAYER from us, to God is likewise conditional! Notice Matthew 4:6 for a quoted promise from satan to Christ Himself! And the condition to be met? You go find it.

And these inspired of the Holy Ghost verses??
"Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither His ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid His face from you, that He will not hear." Isaiah 59:1-2

One might define what sin is in 1 John 3:4 to see if they are guilty. God will not even listen to these one prayers! And knowingly & 'presumptuously sinning? See Psalms 19:13 & also James 2:8-12? Sin is the breaking of the Everlasting Covenant of the Godhead! And Rome has had it LONG LONG AGO! And when will the ex/protesrants awaken? Rev. 18:4, naw, there is just hardly any difference in THIS LAST DAY SETTING! :crying

One might read John 9:39-41 for who has sin?mAnd the PARTAKERS are the ones still yoked to this END TIME GARBAGE! (Rev. 18:4's above verse) Also Luke 12:47-48. This verse AIN''T DEAD ROME, but she will be found in the END VERSE OF OBAD. 1:16 'AS THOUGH SHE HAD NEVER BEEN'! And BLIND?? Again Peter a pope is just plain stupid, (Matt. 25 FOOLISH) and any one believing that would make a good 'LAST DAY' BLIND living in OPEN SIN PARTAKER of all & any sin committed!
But in the previous verse 31 of John 9 this ex/blind 'physical' man was seen preaching his first sermon perhaps?? Notice:

"Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, [and doeth His will], him God heareth." Christ must have all of our will! Again: understand what that means! See 1 John 5:16-17.

Notice the verses! (of just a few) If one understood the earthly sanctuary service they could understand much of Paul's writings. But, see if you can catch the key Words in all of these verses? Check this one:

"If I [regard] iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me." Psalms 66:18 (Lord, I am going to bring my fruit sacrifice! Gen. 4:7-you know, like sun for Your 7th day requirement.. again Rome's baby! :screwloose )

Bottom line: "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, [to him it is sin.]" James 4:17 When & 'if' James 1:15 & 1 John 5:16-17 become FULLY MATURED it bringeth forth eternal death. Obadiah 1:16. And this is where Rome & her daughters are at in this last day!

How many professed ones are to be saved? see Matt. 7:13-27 & Revelation 17:5.

--Elijah
 
chestertonrules said:
nadab said:
chestertonrules said:
This is pure fantasy. The Catholic Church was started by Jesus. It formally came into existence at Pentecost.

Constantine accepted Christianity and ended the persecution of Christians. He didn't change the faith in any way. In fact, it is not even clear that Constantine ever converted, although his mother was a Christian.

This doesn't even address my post.

Do you have a point?

The Catholic Church was not started by Jesus. Jesus established the one "pure religion" (James 1:27) and the Catholic Church is very far from pure, having within it gross wrongs, such as the acceptance of pagan holidays, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, involvement in the world's political arena, and abuses by the religious hierarchy. For example, Christmas is well known for being of pagan origin, with the Roman celebration Saturnalia and the honoring the Persian god of light, Mithra, on December 25, known as the Natalis Solis Invicti ("birthday of the invincible sun").

The New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges that "the date of December 25 does not correspond to Christ’s birth, but to the feast of the Natalis Solis Invicti, the Roman sun festival at the solstice...the birth of Christ was assigned the date of the winter solstice (December 25 in the Julian Calendar, January 6 in the Egyptian), because on this day, as the sun began its return to northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun). On Dec. 25, 274, Aurelian had proclaimed the sun-god principal patron of the empire and dedicated a temple to him in the Campus Martius. Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the sun was particularly strong at Rome.â€

The U.S. Catholic (December 1981) went on to explain: “The Romans’ favorite festival was Saturnalia, which began on December 17 and ended with the ‘birthday of the unconquered sun’ (Natalis solis invicti) on December 25. Somewhere in the second quarter of the fourth century, savvy officials of the church of Rome decided December 25 would make a dandy day to celebrate the birthday of the ‘sun of righteousness.’ Christmas was born.â€

The Enciclopedia de la Religión Católica frankly states: “The reason that the Roman Church decided to assign this date to the festival seems to be its tendency to replace pagan festivals with Christian ones. . . . We know that in Rome at that time, the pagans consecrated December 25 as the celebration of natalis invicti, the birth of the ‘invincible sun.’â€

Jesus gave a command to observe the day of his death, not birth nor resurrection.(Luke 22:19) The Catholic Church has never listened to what Jesus said, but rather made her own "rules", and tainted herself with paganism and other religious traditions that go against the Bible.

Of Easter, it also is well known as a pagan celebration incorporated into the Catholic Church. The historian Socrates Scholasticus, born about 380 C.E., wrote that "it seems to me that the feast of Easter has been introduced into the church from some old usage, just as many other customs have been established.†Easter’s ascendancy as a festival thus was not Bible based.

In fact, scholars claim that the very word Easter is of Anglo-Saxon origin, referring to the springtime. During that season, the ancients thought the sun was reborn after months of winter death. Catholic priest Francis X. Weiser admitted: “Some of the popular traditions of Lent and Easter date back to ancient nature rites.â€

The book Curiosities of Popular Customs explains: “It was the invariable policy of the early Church to give a Christian significance to such of the extant pagan ceremonies as could not be rooted out. In the case of Easter the conversion was peculiarly easy. Joy at the rising of the natural sun, and the awakening of nature from the death of winter, became joy at the rising of the Sun of righteousness, at the resurrection of Christ from the grave.â€

Easter has also been linked to the worship of the Phoenician fertility goddess, Astarte, who had as her symbols the egg and the hare. Statues of Astarte have variously depicted her as having exaggerated sex organs or with a rabbit beside her and an egg in her hand. Can one claim Easter as a Christian celebration when it is shown as tainted with sex worship ?

Of Halloween, the Encarta Encyclopedia said that "most Halloween festivities are based on folk beliefs concerning supernatural forces and spirits of the dead. Halloween decorations typically feature imagery associated with supernatural beings such as witches, werewolves, vampires, and ghosts".

It further stated: "During the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain, from which Halloween was derived, Druids burned huge sacrificial wooden effigies known as wicker men atop sacred hilltop sites. The wicker men were sometimes filled with animals, prisoners of war, criminals, and other sacrifices to Druid deities."(Microsoft ® Encarta ® Reference Library 2005) Can an ancient Celtic festival be "Christianized" and still be pleasing to God ?

It is well known that Catholics throughout the earth are involved in the political field. Yet Jesus told his faithful apostles that "they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world."(John 17:16) Adolf Hitler was known as a Catholic, and according to his chief architect, Albert Speer, remained a formal member of the Catholic Church until his death, despite his atrocities. According to biographer John Toland, Hitler was still "a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy."

In fact, only by the support of the Catholic Church was Hilter able to attain to power, keeping sway over the masses. On July 20, 1933, the Vatican’s interest in the rising power of Nazism was displayed when Cardinal Pacelli (who later became Pope Pius XII) signed a concordat in Rome between the Vatican and Nazi Germany. Von Papen signed the document as Hitler’s representative, and Pacelli there conferred on von Papen the high papal decoration of the Grand Cross of the Order of Pius.

Winston Churchill, in his book The Gathering Storm, published in 1948, tells how von Papen further used “his reputation as a good Catholic†to gain church support for the Nazi takeover of Austria. In 1938, in honor of Hitler’s birthday, Cardinal Innitzer (1875-1955) ordered that all Austrian churches fly the swastika flag, ring their bells, and pray for the Nazi dictator.

In his book Satan in Top Hat, Tibor Koeves writes of this, stating: “The Concordat was a great victory for Hitler. It gave him the first moral support he had received from the outer world, and this from the most exalted source.†The concordat required the Vatican to withdraw its support from Germany’s Catholic Center Party, thus sanctioning Hitler’s one-party “total state.â€

Further, its article 14 stated: “The appointments for archbishops, bishops, and the like will be issued only after the governor, installed by the Reich, has duly ascertained that no doubts exist with respect to general political considerations.†By the end of 1933 (proclaimed a “Holy Year†by Pope Pius XI), Vatican support had become a major factor in Hitler’s push for world domination. Sitting pretty in the Vatican, Pope Pius XII let the Holocaust on the Jews and the cruel persecutions of others proceed uncriticized.

Honest-hearted individuals can readily see that the Catholic Church is not based on what Jesus taught, but upon a "house" that is founded upon false religious traditions and pagan teachings that God is angry at. And with the more recent revelations of child abuse in St. Francis, Wisconsin, whereby the late Catholic priest Lawrence Murphy sexually molested over 200 deaf boys from 1950-74, more of her corrupted character has been exposed.

The report further said: "Some allegations became public years ago. But they received renewed attention this week after documents obtained by The New York Times showed Murphy was spared a defrocking in the mid-1990s because he was protected by the Vatican office led by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now the pope."(Posted March 25, 2010, Associated Press) Thus, the Catholic Church is built upon corruption.


Nothing but lies, propganda, and stupidity.

At Matthew 7, Jesus warned against the "false prophets that come to you in sheep's covering, but inside are ravenous wolves."(Matt 7:15) And he provided a way to identify them, saying that "by their fruits you will recognize them." What kind of fruitage has the Catholic Church dispensed ? With the sexual abuse scandal reaching all the way to the top, within the Vatican itself, what does this mean ? Jesus succinctly said that "every tree not producing good fruit will be cut down and thrown into a fire."(Matt 7:19, International Standard Version)

Three days before Jesus death at the hands of the religious leaders, he scathingly condemned them, saying that "the scribes and Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses...(wanting) the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats of synagogues."(Matt 23:2, 6)

He was bold and fearless in denouncing these false teachers who would hinder others from hearing his teachings. Jesus further called these religious leaders hypocrites, because these rendered mere lip service to God, making the word of God invalid because of their traditions.(Matt 15:1, 6-9)

Likewise of the Catholic Church, having disregarded "the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness."(Matt 23:23) As Jesus said, these have become "blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel ! "(Matt 23:24)

As with the religious leaders of Jesus day, who outwardly ' appeared beautiful like whitewashed graves ', but "inside are full of dead men's bones and of every sort of uncleanness"(Matt 23:37), the lid is being taken off the Catholic Church and exposed as ' outwardly appearing righteous to men, but inside full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.' (Matt 23:38)

On the other hand, the one true religion can readily be identified. How ? Here are ten ways to determine this:

(1) Those who practice it have genuine love among themselves.(John 13:34,35; 1 John 4:8)
(2) All their beliefs are based on the Bible.(John 17:17; 2 Tim 3:16,17)
(3) They pray for God's name of Jehovah to be hallowed or sanctified. (Matt 6:9; Ps 83:18)
(4) They proclaim God's kingdom in all the earth, not some political or social philosophy.(Matt 24:14; Acts 28:23)
(5) They keep separate from the world's affairs, untainted by the world's politics or conflicts, remaining neutral in time of war.(James 1:27; John 17:14)
(6) They put God's kingdom and his righteousness first in their lives.(Matt 6:33)
(7) They cultivate the fruitage of God's spirit, not condoning war or personal violence.(Gal 5:22,23; Rom 12:17-21)
(8) They obey all human laws not contrary to God's law.(Rom 13:1-7)
(9) The true religion successfully unites people of every race, language, and tribe. It does not preach nationalism or hatred, but love worldwide.(Isaiah 2:2-4; Col 3:10,11)
(10)The true religion teaches the truth regarding God's purpose for man and the earth.(Matt 5:5; Ps 115:16; Isaiah 45:18)
 
Setting on many waters & executing the 150 000 000 over the years, that Fox Book of Mytars states might even be a low esimate, sure these hereticks executed prove the power of catholicism, huh?
A christless church always needs Ceasar to do satans work! But what is new God asks? Eccl. 3:15 We ain't seen noth'in yet!
--Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
Setting on many waters & executing the 150 000 000 over the years, that Fox Book of Mytars states might even be a low esimate, sure these hereticks executed prove the power of catholicism, huh?
A christless church always needs Ceasar to do satans work! But what is new God asks? Eccl. 3:15 We ain't seen noth'in yet!
--Elijah


The Book of Martyrs is a well known fraud full of mistakes and guesses.

This is not to say that Catholics didn't do terrible things, they did, as did the Reformers.
 
happyjoy said:
Elijah674 said:
Subject: Last Days with Rome in bed with her daughters!

Well Vic, what you have is the END TIME PROPHECY of Rev, 17:1-5 with mother rome daily seen in print in the spiritual garbage can of satan. (priests with children, priests with a higher %age with AIDS than even the average american male.. PRINTED, SEEN IN THE OPEN, & nearly daily DOCUMENTED! OK: Surely this is the END DAY'S??

And the celeabrated days?? Holloween, Christmas, + on & on by you know who? Rev. 17:5's daughters. And the best for last of Easter. (coming up, huh?) Which found the Acts 12:1-5 Virgin Extended Church being slaughtered by these ex/church of Christ! Church/State ones. They were the ones keeping the law of Moses! (Israel/Ceasar)

We HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR [they claimed]. Anyway these are the ones who were still keeping the days of unleavened bread (your Easter!) So ALL OF ROMES DAUGHTERS are still in the Spiritual bed with their mommy way past any 120 years of the Holy Spirits [[STRIVING]] along the side of the one called the Preacher Of Rightousness, Noah! And that was Just BEFORE THEIR DOOR OF PROBATION CLOSED IN THEIR [[LAST DAY]]. (see Eccl. 3:15! Vic)

Acts.12
[1] Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
[2] And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
[3] And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) (note that Peter was not keeping Easter in JAIL!) :screwloose
[4] And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

--Elijah


That looks like an overly complicated legal document with references and citations with in references and citations.
Complicated?? Very simple! The today Ones Pope Peter was locked up soon to be executed by the ones cellabrating Easter as Pope Peter today swear's to still be keeping!
And if that is still hard to understand?? (Mark 7:7) Take a look around at Catholicism LAST DAY'S Origins! (rather ENDING! Rev. 17:1-5) And Protestants find 6 out of nine as USA Supreme Court Justice's????? PRO/TEST/ANTS??? :crying They are even in bed with their great Whore Mother! :screwloose :screwloose :crazy

--Elijah of Mal. 4's message! ibid. 5-6
 
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