Christian Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Chained Angels

for_his_glory

Fight the good fight of faith
2024 Supporter
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

A little background first to show these angels that are in chains of darkness are separate from the third that followed after Satan as they too rebelled against God leaving their first estate that was their proper place in heaven. These chained angels can not be the same angels as the principalities and power of darkness still in high places under the direction of Satan, Ephesians 6:12.

1 Peter 3:18-19 Jesus never went down to hell (lower parts of the earth) to preach as scripture says He went to preach to the spirits in prison. When Jesus laid in the tomb for three days his body was dead, but His spirit was very much alive. In 1 Peter 3:19 it says Jesus being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit went and preached to the spirits in prison. The spirits in prison that Jesus went to preach to are those angels that are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Scripture does not say what Jesus preached to them, but some speculate that He was proclaiming to these fallen angels that Satan had no victory over His death. These angels are separate from the third Satan gathered with him as these angels bound in chains kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day, Jude 1:5-7. These angels were disobedient when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being built, 1 Peter 3:18-19. Big difference between these chained angels and the other ones we read about in Ephesians 6:12. Notice where it says they are reserved in chains meaning they are bound by God and can no longer cause man to sin.

These other angels being a third that oppose God under the leadership of Satan as being his messengers here on earth as they too are created spirits of God that is why God could never destroy any of them because a spirit can not die. (Matthew 25:41; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1: 6; Ephesians 6:12). We often call these types of angels demons/devils/evil spirits/unclean spirits for which an everlasting fire is prepared by God for Satan and these angels, Matthew 25:41.

The term demon comes from the Greek "daimon". Demons (fallen angels) are also called evil spirits, unclean spirits and devils in scripture as they are disembodied spirits as angels have no form. The use of the terminology of demons, evil spirits, unclean spirits and devils are interchangeable in scripture as they all mean the same thing. They exist in a demonic realm as principalities, Romans 8:38, 39; Ephesians 6:12, and have a hierarchy of rulership controlled by Satan as being his messengers, Matthew 12:22-30; Mark 3:22; Luke 4:35. They have no physical form, but can viciously posses a body, Matthew 8:16-31; 12:43-45. Demons are numerous in numbering and can also speak like the Legion (2000) of unclean spirits in Mark 5:9.

Strong's Concordance: Demon
Part of speech: noun masculine
Transliteration: daimon
Definition: a demon
Usage: evil spirit, demon
 
At what point did the fallen angels (the ones that did not sin) turn into "demons" ?

I believe fallen angels and demons are two different things .
 
I believe fallen angels and demons are the same.
i also believe "everlasting chains of darkness" only restrict movement into the light. It's a way to describe someone who will never come to Christ. It doesn't mean a corrupt angel can't do evil.
 
I believe fallen angels and demons are the same.
i also believe "everlasting chains of darkness" only restrict movement into the light. It's a way to describe someone who will never come to Christ. It doesn't mean a corrupt angel can't do evil.
Then I have a question for you .
At what point did the fallen angels (the ones that did not sin) turn into "demons" ?
 
Hey D-D-W.
I don't know where it says demons don't have bodies. I believe they're all spirits.
Does not come out and say it, but we see the Legion of demons in Mark 5 and Luke 8 desperately seeking to be clothed in bodies, so much so they entered the bodies of pigs.
 
Does not come out and say it, but we see the Legion of demons in Mark 5 and Luke 8 desperately seeking to be clothed in bodies, so much so they entered the bodies of pigs.
Hey D-D-W.
I don't know where it says demons don't have bodies. I believe they're all spirits.
Are we ever given a description of what a demon ( devil , unclean spirit , etc. ) looks like in the bible ? :chin
 
Does not come out and say it, but we see the Legion of demons in Mark 5 and Luke 8 desperately seeking to be clothed in bodies, so much so they entered the bodies of pigs.
I don't know if the demons wanted to be clothed. They wanted to cause evil by possessing someone. I don't think thats any different from the devil entering Judas
 
Are we ever given a description of what a demon ( devil , unclean spirit , etc. ) looks like in the bible ? :chin
I don't think so, but to be chained in darkness is to be trapped there. It's like when Jesus said there is no truth in satan. Fallen angels walk in darkness. They aren't prevented from going from point A to point B, but their minds are perpetually in darkness.
 
At what point did the fallen angels (the ones that did not sin) turn into "demons" ?

I believe fallen angels and demons are two different things .
These fallen angels that are chained and demons are two different things. I was just showing the difference between these chained angels that were disobedient to God as being different then the ones the scriptures call demons/devils/evil spirits/unclean spirits that follow Satan.
 
At what point did the fallen angels (ones that have bodies) turn into "demons?" (ones that do not have bodies)
Let me ask you a question. When were angels created with bodies as scripture says they are spirit beings without form unless God gives them human form for His purpose of ministering to others.

Angels have no gender (Matthew 22:30) and are innumerable (Hebrews 12:22). They are incarnate in human form at times (Genesis 18:2-8) for the purpose of ministry.
 
Does not come out and say it, but we see the Legion of demons in Mark 5 and Luke 8 desperately seeking to be clothed in bodies, so much so they entered the bodies of pigs.
Mark 5:12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
Mark 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

Demons would rather indwell an animal body than none at all and they can cause animals to kill themselves.
 
Are we ever given a description of what a demon ( devil , unclean spirit , etc. ) looks like in the bible ? :chin
There is a description of at least one type of demon in Revelation:

Revelation 16:13
And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;


That is the only description I know of.
 
There is a description of at least one type of demon in Revelation:

Revelation 16:13
And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;


That is the only description I know of.
I would say like frogs would be an analogy as the unclean spirits would seem to leap out of their mouth
 
I don't think so, but to be chained in darkness is to be trapped there. It's like when Jesus said there is no truth in satan. Fallen angels walk in darkness. They aren't prevented from going from point A to point B, but their minds are perpetually in darkness.
But, these fallen angels do not follow after Satan and are kept bound from interacting with humans, animals and dead bodies like the demons that follow Satan as they are kept in darkness unto the day of judgement. There is no point A to point B other than the day of judgement when they are cast into the lake of fire.
 
There is a description of at least one type of demon in Revelation:

Revelation 16:13
And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;


That is the only description I know of.
I did think of this verse after I posted my question .
I guess we could wonder if this was a vision for John so he could write of what the frog like demons would do . In other words it was a visual of the frog like demons in action otherwise John would not see what was going on .

I bet those were nasty looking frog like demons !:eek
 
Back
Top