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Chained In The Abyss

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journeymanisnothing

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Fallen angels are chained until judgement day,

reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jde.1:5

into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2Pet.2:4

those who leave the paths of uprightness...
walk in the ways of darkness; Pro.2:13
the way of the wicked is like darkness; Pro.4:19
the fool walks in darkness. Ecc.2:14
 
journeyman said:
Fallen angels are chained until judgement day,

reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jde.1:5

into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2Pet.2:4

those who leave the paths of uprightness...
walk in the ways of darkness; Pro.2:13
the way of the wicked is like darkness; Pro.4:19
the fool walks in darkness. Ecc.2:14
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Some of them .
 
Satan was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev.12:8

The earth can be an abyss, a bottomless pit, when sinful desires are the goal. That's what the devil is focused on. Like a hole that can be filled.

Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied. Pro.27:20
 
There's a song titled "Mary Did You Know." There's a lyric in the song that says, "Mary did yiu know that you baby boy will one day rule the nations?"

This is the problem with the mindset of teaching today. People think Christ ruling is sometime later.

People think Jesus isn't ruling because of all the evil in this world, but he appeared to show all mankind how God reigns in mercy over us.

When his reign in mercy through his disciples is finished, it's judgement day. Then all will see him as God. Except for those transformed,

Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Exo.33:20
 
journeyman said:
I believe they're all in chains of darkness. The "prison" is the state they remain in. The abode of the dead,

Who will descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). Rom.10:7
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Daniel Chapter 10 is a key to some understanding of fallen angels and where they are . Notice we are told which angels are in chains . The angels that sinned .

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
 
hawkman said:
Daniel Chapter 10 is a key to some understanding of fallen angels and where they are . Notice we are told which angels are in chains .
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Chains of darkness. The darkness holds them captive.
hawkman said:
The angels that sinned .
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All fallen angels sinned in their rebellion.
hawkman said:
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
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Being confined to "darkness in a place of the dead", doesn't mean evil spirits can't do evil anymore,

All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Mt.4:9

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption 2Pet.2:19

The people Peter refers to here are in darkness and Jesus referred to such as dead.
 
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Yes, by definition.
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By our Lords'meaning,

he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell. Pro.9:18

A man patronizing a prostitute is dead in the grave by Gods' definition. It's not a place with longitude and latiitude. It's a state people are in.

It seems at least while people are still alive, they can escape this "place", but fallen angels can't.
 
journeyman said:
Chains of darkness. The darkness holds them captive.
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And where exactly are they being held captive ?
journeyman said:
Being confined to "darkness in a place of the dead", doesn't mean evil spirits can't do evil anymore,
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Woah now , you are bringing evil spirits into the conversation . I thought we were talking about fallen angels ?
Let's look at the complete verses in question .

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

I don't see any evil spirits in these two verses .
 
hawkman said:
And where exactly are they being held captive ?

Woah now , you are bringing evil spirits into the conversation . I thought we were talking about fallen angels ?
Let's look at the complete verses in question .

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

I don't see any evil spirits in these two verses .
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Angels are spirits,

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb.1:7

Angels didn't stop being spirits after they fell.
 
journeyman said:
Angels are spirits,

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb.1:7

Angels didn't stop being spirits after they fell.
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Ok , good we will talk about fallen angels . That is settled .

Now Can you answer my first question in post #12 ?
 
journeyman said:
Fallen angels are chained until judgement day,

reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jde.1:5

into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2Pet.2:4

those who leave the paths of uprightness...
walk in the ways of darkness; Pro.2:13
the way of the wicked is like darkness; Pro.4:19
the fool walks in darkness. Ecc.2:14
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journeyman said:
I believe they're all in chains of darkness. The "prison" is the state they remain in. The abode of the dead,

Who will descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). Rom.10:7
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So, where do Peter or Jude write that all angels who fell were "chained in darkness"? Nowhere. This is an addition to their words you're making, an assumption, really, that you're foisting on what they wrote. We know from other places in Scripture that, in fact, not all fallen angels - demons - have ended up chained in darkness, but that the devil and legions of demons are quite active, possessing people, resisting and corrupting God's saints, the devil himself even tempting Christ directly, possessing Judas and desiring to "sift Peter like wheat."

Matthew 4:1
1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

Mark 9:25-26
25 And when Jesus saw that a crowd came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “You mute and deaf spirit, I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”
26 And after crying out and convulsing him terribly, it came out...

Matthew 8:28-32
28 And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce that no one could pass that way.
29 And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?”
30 Now a herd of many pigs was feeding at some distance from them.
31 And the demons begged him, saying, “If you cast us out, send us away into the herd of pigs.”
32 And he said to them, “Go.” So they came out and went into the pigs, and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the waters.

Luke 22:3-4
3 Then Satan entered into Judas called Iscariot, who was of the number of the twelve.
4 He went away and conferred with the chief priests and officers how he might betray him to them.

Luke 22:31
31 "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat;

In light of these and other passages in Scripture that plainly indicate that demonic agents have, and are, operating in the world, the assumption you've made that all fallen angels - demons - are chained in darkness cannot be reasonably sustained. To do so requires an ever-expanding adaptation of the Bible to this one mistaken assumption. In such an approach to Scripture there is only error, falsehood and darkness. Beware!
 
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